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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 11:50:25 AM   
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90% chance the House goes GOP, 40% chance the Senate goes GOP, 100% chance that it will take more than persuading a couple of RINOs to support a Senate bill. Don't believe me? Take a look at the stock market.


The DOW is providing political polling projections now?

Who knew?

I'll have to look.



Now? It always has, and since it involves real money instead of a bunch of know nothings mouthing off, its a lot more accurate.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 11:51:44 AM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 12:21:39 PM   
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90% chance the House goes GOP, 40% chance the Senate goes GOP, 100% chance that it will take more than persuading a couple of RINOs to support a Senate bill. Don't believe me? Take a look at the stock market.


The DOW is providing political polling projections now?

Who knew?

I'll have to look.

Now? It always has, and since it involves real money instead of a bunch of know nothings mouthing off, its a lot more accurate.


I hate to inform you, that the DOW does not involve real money, but electronic money. We went off the 'real money' system 'afew' years ago. Everything is now done electronically, from placing orders, to stopping the market should a hyper selling period take place. When you tell your broker, to buy or sell, do you actually hand him physical money for the transaction over the phone?

The DOW is considered a 'leading' indicator of economic times. It is one of many such indicators. But if its used for polling...

Then what would stop the Democrats of simply voting 'No' on ALL things (big and small) brought before a GOP controlled Congress? Sort of like what the GOP has been doing for the last year & half? We've seen how well its worked for our country, when one political party is all 'take' and not one ounce of 'give & take'. As an investor, I know, without no uncertainty, that should the GOP gain control of the House and/or Senate, NOTHING will get done at a federal level.

Maybe I dont want to live in a 'stagnate' economy like you do, willbeurdaddy. There's a difference if one is voting GOP for their principles and concepts; then voting to 'get revenge' with Obama. I have yet to hear the Republican/Tea Party talk about real economic conditions and intelligent solutions we could try. I may not like all the Democrat's policies, but right now, they are the only crew in town doing something productive. Republicans seem to be the (metaphorically, if ironically used...) Union, that is on strike.

The DOW, has been reflective of the Democrat's efforts for the last year and a half. Are we in a depression? Is the economy getting better? Why is the DOW rising exactly?

Here's a nice chart so you can see, how the DOW has performed under the Obama Administration.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 12:30:08 PM   
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I hate to inform you, that the DOW does not involve real money, but electronic money.


Bullshit, like the rest of your post.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 12:32:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I may quietly point out irregardless of republican or democrat; what is stagnate is the existence of an emerging new political party. There was a time in the USA where this occurred every 30 to 40 years. If I am correct we are over due by about 30 years. These one party controlled periods of time may be a reflection of this kind of need for change.

Mind you .... I never said it was going to be any better.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 12:37:04 PM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 12:53:51 PM   
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If I may quietly point out irregardless of republican or democrat; what is stagnate is the existence of an emerging new political party. There was a time in the USA where this occurred every 30 to 40 years. If I am correct we are over due by about 30 years. These one party controlled periods of time may be a reflection of this kind of need for change.

Mind you .... I never said it was going to be any better.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA


If I may quietly point out that "irregardless" is not a word. And "stagnate" is a verb. You are looking for "stagnant". And you apparently havent been paying attention to the Tea Party.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 1:03:51 PM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 1:08:17 PM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 1:09:35 PM   
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Well, seriously, who has really been paying attention to the teabaggers except for the laughs?

Rupert Murdoch? Though he might have stopped watching in despair at how his money's being squandered, i suppose...

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 1:29:59 PM   
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Actual, I'm kinda hoping that the Dems do continue to hold both the House and the Senate.

And if they do, I also kinda hope that they fully fund Obamacare, and do away with the Bush tax cuts.

Sometimes, you need to let the car just break, so that even the dumbest, most non-mechanical person can find out what is exactly making that unusual sound in the car's drive train.

It'll be hard on some people, but the likelihood of the "fix" actually addressing the real issues increases tremendously in such a scenario.

Splitting the government will just allow some people - who are blinded by ideological thinking - to continue to cloud the issue.

Clarity can sometimes be a real bitch.

Firm



Well, that's basically what the problem is Firm.

Republicans are obstructing every piece of legislation in the hope that Obama and the Democrats will fail so we can return to Republican policies that have already failed.

And while we have this ideological gridlock nothing gets accomplished.

Meanwhile, we have people like you buying into the nonsense and hoping the Democrats fail on every issue regardless of whether it would be beneficial or not.

Want to talk some more about that confirmation bias?


First issue:

I'm open to being proved wrong about the effects of funding Obamacare and eliminating the tax cuts.  The clarity can come to either side.

Second issue:

You don't believe that you have confirmation bias.  You believe that you are 100% rational, and that everyone who disagrees with you is obviously stupid, evil, or ignorant.

That is the very definition of an ideologue, and an example of confirmation bias.

I am aware of (most of) my biases, and I attempt to not let my certainty preclude me from discounting conflicting information.

I think this is fertile grounds for a thread all by itself, and if I have the time and energy, may well start one at some date.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 2:21:58 PM   
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If I may quietly point out irregardless of republican or democrat; what is stagnate is the existence of an emerging new political party. There was a time in the USA where this occurred every 30 to 40 years. If I am correct we are over due by about 30 years. These one party controlled periods of time may be a reflection of this kind of need for change.

Mind you .... I never said it was going to be any better.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA


If I may quietly point out that "irregardless" is not a word. And "stagnate" is a verb. You are looking for "stagnant". And you apparently havent been paying attention to the Tea Party.


Tell Webster's it is not a word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless


Since when the Tea Party been an actual party?  They are currently functioning as a branch of the Republican Party.

Show me anywhere they had the balls to actually go get on the ballot as the Tea Party?

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 2:26:13 PM   
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If I may quietly point out irregardless of republican or democrat; what is stagnate is the existence of an emerging new political party. There was a time in the USA where this occurred every 30 to 40 years. If I am correct we are over due by about 30 years. These one party controlled periods of time may be a reflection of this kind of need for change.

Mind you .... I never said it was going to be any better.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA


If I may quietly point out that "irregardless" is not a word. And "stagnate" is a verb. You are looking for "stagnant". And you apparently havent been paying attention to the Tea Party.


Tell Webster's it is not a word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless


Since when the Tea Party been an actual party?  They are currently functioning as a branch of the Republican Party.

Show me anywhere they had the balls to actually go get on the ballot as the Tea Party?



From your link "Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead."

In an established two party system there is no other way for a third party to become established other than to align itself with an existing party. The Tea Party has been extremely successful in a very short time in both getting its own new candidates nominated and influencing the positions of existing GOPers. That is the real world when it comes to "3rd party politics".

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 2:42:19 PM   
flcouple2009


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"Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose."

Way to cherry pick info to try and prove point.

Anyway from the part you did pick out:

"Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead."

That is a long way from not being a word.

Now as far the Tea Party,  your admitting then that the Tea Party is not an actual 3rd party but rather just a portion of the Republican Party.  They don't have the balls to venture on their own.

The Green Party is a party they are on the ballot as themselves.   The Tea Party is nothing but a group within the Republican Party. 

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 3:36:53 PM   
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Hey, remember this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CMDM8e_jtQ

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:06:12 PM   
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The Green Party and The Libertarian Party all put people on the ballots.  Most of the groupsthat call themselves Party's are just a collection of people who get together to bitch.

Spin it anyway you wish to try the vast majority of the Tea Party are from the far right of the Republican Party.  The Tea Party functions as a group of the Republican Party. 

It is what it is.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:10:56 PM   
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your so funny Pops,

The Green Party and The Libertarian Party all put people on the ballots.  Most of the groupsthat call themselves Party's are just a collection of people who get together to bitch.

Spin it anyway you wish to try the vast majority of the Tea Party are from the far right of the Republican Party.  The Tea Party functions as a group of the Republican Party. 

It is what it is.




Ok, so now we're down to "the vast majority."

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:14:08 PM   
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I hate to inform you, that the DOW does not involve real money, but electronic money.


Bullshit, like the rest of your post.


Havent you heard of derivatives Willbur ? You can buy stock and pay for it at a later date.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:18:10 PM   
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I hate to inform you, that the DOW does not involve real money, but electronic money.


Bullshit, like the rest of your post.


Havent you heard of derivatives Willbur ? You can buy stock and pay for it at a later date.


But you still pay for it with real money.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:24:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just like you buddy Wilbur there, let's Cherry pick through things.

None of your rambling and circles changes the facts.

The Tea party is an extension of the far right of the Republican Party.  If they would grow some balls and strike out on their own it might be different.

edited because I shouldn't type while working


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