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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:43:35 AM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:45:48 AM   
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If you don't trust FOX business with these figures, you can always tune into CNBC or MSNBC. They will have the same bad news.


Look, you said it, support it or don't bring it up.

I'm tired of trying to fish around for information with people that just throw out random numbers without giving me something I can read to prove them.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 6:54:01 AM   
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We shall see.




No. You will see. Outside of some major, game-changing event, it's just down to whether it will be more fun to watch MSNBC on election night, or see if Katie Couric breaks down and cries on CBS.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 7:05:36 AM   
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This mornings jobs report certainly won't be good news for the democrats. Another 39,000 jobs lost in the private sector in the month of September. The administration, of course predicted an increase.

Actually the overall economy cut 37k jobs while adding 123k. That's a net increase of roughly 96,000 jobs in one month. That's the Challenger, Gray & Christmas numbers BTW.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 7:10:15 AM   
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We shall see.




No. You will see. Outside of some major, game-changing event, it's just down to whether it will be more fun to watch MSNBC on election night, or see if Katie Couric breaks down and cries on CBS.


I don't know.

Would this be anything like you telling me what a brilliant choice McCain made for his VP candidate and how he had just won the election by doing so?

Let those fun times roll.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 7:23:34 AM   
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I don't know.

Would this be anything like you telling me what a brilliant choice McCain made for his VP candidate and how he had just won the election by doing so?

Let those fun times roll.




No, RML, this would be like me saying Sarah Palin would be the Repub pick for veep, a week before the announcement was made.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 7:30:59 AM   
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At least I showed up and did my bit.... not some lib coward that took off to Canada to hide... as most democrats have mastered the fine art of 'surrender first'.... good grief...


Now, you correct me where I am wrong, but it seems to me that the Republican Richard M. Nixon surrendered Viet Nam, and if we  cast our thoughts back to the last republican administration which was wholly VN era, we see that the only actual experience that was had was Mr. Cheney shooting himself in the face.

So.....

The 1973 Democratic majority Congress LOST the Vietnam War by revoking the "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" thereby revoking President Nixon's authority to continuing prosecuting the war and provide financial support to the South Vietnamese government, and if we research our current Democratic administration we find no actual experience whatsoever.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 7:40:31 AM   
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I don't know.

Would this be anything like you telling me what a brilliant choice McCain made for his VP candidate and how he had just won the election by doing so?

Let those fun times roll.




No, RML, this would be like me saying Sarah Palin would be the Repub pick for veep, a week before the announcement was made.


So, are you trying to deny what you have said?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I think Palin is an excellent choice for this campaign.  She's too far to the Fundy right for my personal taste, but such decisions need to be governed by the head, rather than the heart.

As for her ability to assume the helm, her OJT starts in January. 

Job well done, Senator McCain.







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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 7:40:47 AM   
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Vietnam – In late June 1973, Congress passes the second Supplemental Appropriations Act for FY1973. This legislation contains language cutting off funds for combat activities in Vietnam after August 15, 1973.

In October 1972, Nixon’s National Security Advisor, Henry Kissinger, concluded a secret peace agreement with North Vietnam’s Le Duc Tho. After reviewing the agreement, President Thieu demanded major alterations to the document. In response, the North Vietnamese published the details of the agreement and stalled the negotiations. Feeling that Hanoi had attempted to embarrass him and to force them back the table, Nixon ordered the bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong in late December 1972 (Operation Linebacker II). On January 15, 1973, after pressuring South Vietnam to accept the peace deal, Nixon announced the end of offensive operations against North Vietnam.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 7:58:56 AM   
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And, while we're on that, there was a lot of villification and namecalling over the fact that Kerry actually did serve in Vietnam, if memory serves.
(Of course, the Republicans flip flopped on that when the only candidate they could scrape up in 2008 had actually served his country, before he started signing confessions and making propaganda broadcasts for the Vietnamese, of course...)

And since you brought it up, during an August 04 press conference a Kerry campaign spokesperson admitted that Kerry's 1st Purple Heart Medal was awarded for "an accidently self-inflicted wound" and that "Kerry was not actually in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968"...just two of the allegations made against Kerry by the core/founding members (Kerry's fellow Swiftboat OIC's) of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. However, the prime focus of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry was Kerry's sworn testimony before the 1973 Senate Foreign Relations Committee during which Kerry not only demonized all Vietnam Veterans as war criminals but self-incriminated himself as a traitor and war criminal.

For someone who was never in harm's way, much less a prisoner of war tortured for six years, you sure have a lot of gall to desparage someone who was simply because you don't like their politics. Typical liberal POS.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 8:27:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		You miss my point: I'm disparaging Sorebutt because his term in service appears to have been far more of an asset to the Vietnamese than your own country's interests. However little Kerry did, that can't be claimed of him.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 8:59:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Almost every poll is even or heading to the dem side.

This election tho,like ALL mid-terms,will be affected by turn-out.
Like Archie Buncker quipped,"I only vote in the big ones"referring to presidential elections,many voters are the same way.

Likely voters are where elections are won.Even if general pols are for a party,they can still lose if no one shows up to vote for them.

Republicans and especially tea-buggers are going to claim these traditional mid term rebounds are because they are scary talented and accomplished something to deserve them.When in fact,every party out of power no matter who, gains seats back during mid terms.

We will lose some seats and some states,but the extremists will lose their races.It`s moderate republicans that will win.No one likes the extremists or has time for them.

It`s still up in the air whether we`ll lose enough seats to lose control of the house of reps.It is possible that we`ll hold both houses.

Doesn`t matter though.They can`t repeal health care reform.Or do anything without Obama`s signature.We will see endless and daily held "hearings" and clownery.But not much work.What have cons done in the last two years besides nothing?There will be a lot more of nothing.

Then in 2012,we`ll clean up when everyone comes out to vote.




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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 9:25:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

This mornings jobs report certainly won't be good news for the democrats. Another 39,000 jobs lost in the private sector in the month of September. The administration, of course predicted an increase.


And CNBC last night said only "3 in 10" believe the economy is getting better.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 9:26:40 AM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 9:33:12 AM   
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This mornings jobs report certainly won't be good news for the democrats. Another 39,000 jobs lost in the private sector in the month of September. The administration, of course predicted an increase.


And CNBC last night said only "3 in 10" believe the economy is getting better.


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Planned firings dropped 44 percent to 37,151 last month from 66,404 in September 2009, according to Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas Inc. The September figures ended a quarter in which job cuts were the fewest in a decade.

The reductions would have been even smaller were it not for government and non-profit sector, which last month announced the biggest job cuts since May, the report said


So much for the jobs being lost in the private sector.

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Government and nonprofit agencies led the firings with 11,091 announcements, followed by the pharmaceutical industry with 6,069. Government staffing is declining as the decennial federal census population count winds down and budget deficits force state and local cutbacks.

Texas, Illinois

Texas led all states with 5,995 announced job cuts, while Illinois was second with 5,918.

Companies trimming staff last month included Providence, Rhode Island-based Textron Inc. The aircraft maker plans to cut 700 jobs at its Cessna plane division as it reduces production further because demand hasn’t yet picked up after the recession.

Employers announced plans to hire 123,076 workers in September, up from 14,075 the prior month. The retail industry topped the list, with plans to take on 114,000 workers, the report showed.

Toys ‘R’ Us Inc., the world’s biggest toy retailer, said it plans to hire about 45,000 employees to cope with demand during the holiday season.

A report from the Labor Department on Oct. 8 may show companies added 75,000 jobs in September, according to the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey of economists. Including the government, payrolls probably stagnated after a loss of 54,000 the prior month, according to the survey. The jobless rate probably rose to 9.7 percent from 9.6 percent.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-06/announced-september-u-s-job-cuts-fall-44-from-year-ago-challenger-says.html

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 9:39:53 AM   
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Yeah, and pigs will fly... even EThere are NO jobs in the rust belt...simply because government has made it impossible for companies to hire and grow

Aw, bullshit.  'Tis nothing more than capitalist "creative destruction".  You're a capitalist, ain't ya?
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ORIGINAL: cuckymanlay off thousands of governemnt blood suckers... get rid of the departments that have failed ...eg Dept of Energy...Dept of Education...HHS...Commerce...Transportation...etc.

You were military, weren't ya?  Living off the government?  Doncha like nuclear weapons (DOEn)?  Don't agree with Sec Gates that we need more funding for "soft power"?  Wouldn't mind terrorists wandering through without any passports at all?  Wouldn't mind contractors selling F-22s to China [all State stuff]?  Got a hate-on for the CDC, Medicare (you wouldn't be a slacker taking Medicare now, wouldya?) [HHS] Never take advantage of Doppler weather radar, considering the severe weather you get down there? [DOC, DOT].  Guess ya didn't like No Child Left Behind, eh? (DOEd)
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Either we are going to trust our OWN people or fall as a nation...pure and simple... We now know that Wall Street was totally in bed with the Obama Administration to implode the economy ...

Umm, I think you are mistaken on that score.  Think back on fairly recent history.
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the polls are showing a PSUNAMI WAVE ELECTION in the midterms and it is going to wash the democrat power base out to sea..... as they say down in Texas..." its time to dance with the one who brought you to the dance..." and free enterprise ALONE, was the reason we became the wealthiest nation on the planet

The quote is "dance with the one that brung ya".  It's also tsunami.  Oh yeah, we've never had a free enterprise system.
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ORIGINAL: cuckyman
....NOT GOVERNMENT LEECHES sucking on the tit and taking credit for everything since the discovery of the wheel

Check above for tit sucking.
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.... You can spin...bloviate...lie....jump up and down....or shit your pants....it IS NOT GOING TO DO A FUCKING THING to change what is coming less than a month away..... hide and watch dems as your 'broken dreams...dance in and out of the beams of the neon moon' of socialist fantasy....suggest you get you a big ole jug of 100 proof whatever, cause you are just gonna hate the election night results come NOV 2nd....

I drink only the best.  Everclear. 180 proof, I think.  And many, many people have pointed out that guess what!  We don't have a socialist, communist, fascist, Nazi government.  No matter what you may be sucking on.

I was surprised at the lack of gators in your post.  Are you a recent Ohio State fan, by chance?

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 9:40:29 AM   
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And since you brought it up, during an August 04 press conference a Kerry campaign spokesperson admitted that Kerry's 1st Purple Heart Medal was awarded for "an accidently self-inflicted wound" and that "Kerry was not actually in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968"

You got a reference for these "admissions"?

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 9:53:58 AM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 10:07:12 AM   
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You are consistently wrong at any rate.

Vietnam – In late June 1973, Congress passes the second Supplemental Appropriations Act for FY1973. This legislation contains language cutting off funds for combat activities in Vietnam after August 15, 1973.

In October 1972, Nixon’s National Security Advisor, Henry Kissinger, concluded a secret peace agreement with North Vietnam’s Le Duc Tho. After reviewing the agreement, President Thieu demanded major alterations to the document. In response, the North Vietnamese published the details of the agreement and stalled the negotiations. Feeling that Hanoi had attempted to embarrass him and to force them back the table, Nixon ordered the bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong in late December 1972 (Operation Linebacker II). On January 15, 1973, after pressuring South Vietnam to accept the peace deal, Nixon announced the end of offensive operations against North Vietnam.


You at least consistantly ignore the fact that Congress controls the money and, thereby, the ability of a President to prosecute a war.

I was indeed wrong...about the year the Democratic majority Congress repealed the "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution"...they did that in 1971 rather than 1973. The Democratic majority Congress subsequently passed other legislation which, in to-to, grasped DEFEAT from the jaws of victory in Vietnam.

In 1971 the Democratic majority Senate rejected a foreign assistance bill authorizing funds for fiscal years 1972 and 1973. The defeat of the 1971 bill represented the first time that either House had rejected a foreign aid authorization since the program was first initiated as the Marshall Plan after World War II. Several themes merged to cause the defeat of the bill: (1) opposition to the Vietnam War, (2) concern that aid was too concerned with short-term military considerations, and (3) concern that aid, particularly development aid, was a giveaway program producing few foreign policy results for the United States.

In 1973 the Democratic majority Congress did indeed pass the Second Supplemental Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 1973 which cut off funding for combat activities in/over South and North Vietnam (along with Cambodia and Laos) after August 15, 1973...it also ordered all American military operations throughout Indochina to cease by the end of that Summer. Also in 1973 the Democratic majority Congress passed the Foreign Assistance Act of 1973 which went so far as to prevent third-party countries from assisting the South Vietnamese so long as they received American aid.

In 1974 the Democratic majority Congress passed the Continuing Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 1974 which contained no funding for American assisstance to South Vietnam.

Henry Kissinger, in his memoir, "Years of Upheaval," cites those legislative measures as imperiling not only South Vietnam but also Cambodia, where the Khmer Rouge, backed by Communist China, implemented a genocide.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 10:10:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

If you don't trust FOX business with these figures, you can always tune into CNBC or MSNBC. They will have the same bad news.


Look, you said it, support it or don't bring it up.

I'm tired of trying to fish around for information with people that just throw out random numbers without giving me something I can read to prove them.

I don't bother. I automatically assume that if they can't back up what they say that they're just plain full of shit.


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