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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:29:00 PM   
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Just like you buddy Wilbur there, let's Cherry pick through things.

None of your rambling and circles changes the facts.

The Tea party is an extension of the far right of the Republican Party.  If they would grow some balls and strike out on there own it might be different.



I already explained why that is futile. Duverger's law.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:34:13 PM   
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Havent you heard of derivatives Willbur ? You can buy stock and pay for it at a later date.


But you still pay for it with real money.


Yeppers, thats why the stock market crashed, everyone was queing up to pay for shares with "Real" money.

Hint.....Credit Default Swaps........ Dont make me explain it to you.....lol


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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:36:23 PM   
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Havent you heard of derivatives Willbur ? You can buy stock and pay for it at a later date.


But you still pay for it with real money.


Yeppers, thats why the stock market crashed, everyone was queing up to pay for shares with "Real" money.

Hint.....Credit Default Swaps........ Dont make me explain it to you.....lol




So you think the buyers of CDS didnt pay for them and lose real money? Dont make me explain the real world to you.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:52:22 PM   
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Just like you buddy Wilbur there, let's Cherry pick through things.

None of your rambling and circles changes the facts.

The Tea party is an extension of the far right of the Republican Party.  If they would grow some balls and strike out on there own it might be different.



I already explained why that is futile. Duverger's law.


So they are what they are Wilbur.

Which is not a real party but a group within the Republican Party.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 4:53:41 PM   
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So you think the buyers of CDS didnt pay for them and lose real money? Dont make me explain the real world to you.


Dear oh dear, this is getting to be too easy for me.

If the CDS`s had been paid for, there wouldnt have been a crisis like we saw. Most CDS have a long term maturity range, often no payment is required for ten years, that alone makes it electronic money. If you really think all the buyers of CDS were in a position to pay up, you need to think again. Part of the problem is a CDS is like insurannce credit, but without any govt regulations. Most CDS were whats called naked credit default swaps, very risky and hard for buyers to understand what they were getting into ( Read a book called F.I.A.S.C.O )

So yes, despite your comment to me about the real world I am in, not all buyers paid for CDS contracts, hence the mess.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 5:13:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Just like you buddy Wilbur there, let's Cherry pick through things.

None of your rambling and circles changes the facts.

The Tea party is an extension of the far right of the Republican Party.  If they would grow some balls and strike out on there own it might be different.



I already explained why that is futile. Duverger's law.


So they are what they are Wilbur.

Which is not a real party but a group within the Republican Party.



Semantics. They are a "real party" (or amalgamation of parties) with an agenda distinct from the actions of the recent GOP, but that recognizes that the only way to forward their agenda is to work within an existing party.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 5:18:00 PM   
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So you think the buyers of CDS didnt pay for them and lose real money? Dont make me explain the real world to you.


Dear oh dear, this is getting to be too easy for me.

If the CDS`s had been paid for, there wouldnt have been a crisis like we saw. Most CDS have a long term maturity range, often no payment is required for ten years, that alone makes it electronic money. If you really think all the buyers of CDS were in a position to pay up, you need to think again. Part of the problem is a CDS is like insurannce credit, but without any govt regulations. Most CDS were whats called naked credit default swaps, very risky and hard for buyers to understand what they were getting into ( Read a book called F.I.A.S.C.O )

So yes, despite your comment to me about the real world I am in, not all buyers paid for CDS contracts, hence the mess.


You are either dont understand the transaction or are intentionally obfuscating the issue.

It doesnt matter whether they were naked contracts or not. A CDS is quite simply an insurance policy. Premiums had to be paid to purchase that insurance. Like life insurance policies some are single premium, some have periodic premiums. Regardless of the term, the premium has to be paid in real money. Nonody gave away insurance policies for nothing.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 5:27:30 PM   
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Semantics. They are a "real party" (or amalgamation of parties) with an agenda distinct from the actions of the recent GOP, but that recognizes that the only way to forward their agenda is to work within an existing party.


Sorry Wilbur but thank you for playing.

If they are as big, bad and "the voice of the people" as they claim they could easily have put people on the ballots and won.  We're only talking congressional races.

If not for a case of crazy old Ross actually had a shot of pulling it off on the Presidential level.

So either the Tea Party is not as powerful as one would lead you to believe and/or they are for the most part just what they seem to be.  The same right wing of the Republican Party who just want their way with no intention of leaving the nest and actually being a party. 


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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 6:38:04 PM   
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Semantics. They are a "real party" (or amalgamation of parties) with an agenda distinct from the actions of the recent GOP, but that recognizes that the only way to forward their agenda is to work within an existing party.


Sorry Wilbur but thank you for playing.

If they are as big, bad and "the voice of the people" as they claim they could easily have put people on the ballots and won.  We're only talking congressional races.

If not for a case of crazy old Ross actually had a shot of pulling it off on the Presidential level.

So either the Tea Party is not as powerful as one would lead you to believe and/or they are for the most part just what they seem to be.  The same right wing of the Republican Party who just want their way with no intention of leaving the nest and actually being a party. 



Sorry flubble, you dont understand the mathematics of plurality voting, and the TP clearly does.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 7:20:24 PM   
flcouple2009


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Status: offline 		You are a laugh riot Wilbur.

I understand perfectly.  I am looking at all of the candidates and they are what they are.  All of them are the far and fringe right of the Republican Party.  Nothing new there. 

It's easy to screw up a primary.  The Democrats have done it for years by selecting the lunatic left edge of the party during the primary.

Here is the catch the Republicans who are not on that hard right fringe are not going to vote for anyone other than the Republican candidate.  That generally eliminates the crazy portion of the party.  Since these voters are not gonna follow the Tea Party stayed right where it was.  A group of the Republican Party.

But Wilbur, here's the catch.  If they were the voice of the majority they claim to be, it wouldn't matter.    All of the little tea party peoples would have voted and they would have taken over everything. 

When there is someone on the ballot and it says TEA PARTY next to their name, then they are a party.



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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 7:49:34 PM   
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The author of the piece had it right in his opening remarks. He's wrong. Really, really wrong. I don't expect control of the Senate to change (though getting Lieberman his daily tongue baths will be an even higher priority for the Dem leadership) but the House... It probably won't be as bad for the Dems as 1894, but I think we will exceed the 1994 threshold.

The unions, the big money, the spin machine and an adoring media may all be cranking into high gear for the Democrats, but none of it is going to alter the fundamental issues driving what is coming. Unemployment will still be well over 9%. President Obama, and his policies, will still be underwater in the approval ratings. Single-party rule isn't going to be any more appealing.

Worse for the Democrats, is that even the appearance of a Dem surge in the polls is going to reinvigorate the conservative opposition to get out the vote. They are the motivated voters. Having lies and insults hurled at what motivates them only intensifies the degree of that. Worse, it pisses off the moderate independents who took a chance on Obama, and feel liked they might have gotten burned.

It's only going to get uglier from here.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/5/2010 8:33:43 PM   
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In reply to the OP.

The author of the piece had it right in his opening remarks. He's wrong. Really, really wrong. I don't expect control of the Senate to change (though getting Lieberman his daily tongue baths will be an even higher priority for the Dem leadership) but the House... It probably won't be as bad for the Dems as 1894, but I think we will exceed the 1994 threshold.

The unions, the big money, the spin machine and an adoring media may all be cranking into high gear for the Democrats, but none of it is going to alter the fundamental issues driving what is coming. Unemployment will still be well over 9%. President Obama, and his policies, will still be underwater in the approval ratings. Single-party rule isn't going to be any more appealing.

Worse for the Democrats, is that even the appearance of a Dem surge in the polls is going to reinvigorate the conservative opposition to get out the vote. They are the motivated voters. Having lies and insults hurled at what motivates them only intensifies the degree of that. Worse, it pisses off the moderate independents who took a chance on Obama, and feel liked they might have gotten burned.

It's only going to get uglier from here.


We shall see.

I do find it interesting though that you point to special interest groups that are Democratic supporters while you ignore the special interest groups that support Republicans and imply that party is the voice of the people.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 12:55:25 AM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:02:21 AM   
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Semantics. They are a "real party" (or amalgamation of parties) with an agenda distinct from the actions of the recent GOP, but that recognizes that the only way to forward their agenda is to work within an existing party.


Sooooooooooo.......................they are a "real party" but they aren't really a "real party"?

That was pretty amazing Willbeur, you've outdone yourself.

A "real party" would be distinct from the GOP.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:14:16 AM   
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Rule, have you heard the good news? Sharon Angle is now 3 points ahead of that old curmudgeon Reid!


I would rather have curmudgeon than crazy.

But let's look at those numbers, and this is from every conservative's favorite polling site:


Election 2010: Nevada Senate - Rasmussen Reports™Sep 28, 2010

Sharron Angle (R). 47%. Harry Reid (D). 48%






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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:21:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		This mornings jobs report certainly won't be good news for the democrats. Another 39,000 jobs lost in the private sector in the month of September. The administration, of course predicted an increase.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:24:01 AM   
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This mornings jobs report certainly won't be good news for the democrats. Another 39,000 jobs lost in the private sector in the month of September. The administration, of course predicted an increase.


Link?

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:27:45 AM   
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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:28:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Announced U.S. Job Cuts Fall 44% From Year Ago, Challenger Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-06/announced-september-u-s-job-cuts-fall-44-from-year-ago-challenger-says.html

No clue what servant is babbling about.

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RE: Democrats will hold the House and Senate - 10/6/2010 5:35:51 AM   
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