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Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:14:46 AM   
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Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal
When is this guy going to stop spending our country into complete ruin?
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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:16:53 AM   
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I dunno, maybe we shoulda did this instead of waltzing into Iraq.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:22:20 AM   
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Regardless, what's done is done. We did Iraq, We're doing Afganistan, that ship has already sailed.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:27:38 AM   
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well, we NEED to sail this one too.  If we cannot drive through our contry to transport goods and services...........

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:28:01 AM   
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quote:

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Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal
When is this guy going to stop spending our country into complete ruin?

It could be good or bad depending on how it's handled. There's no debate that parts of the country's transportation infrastructure is in serious need of repair, and this has been known for decades.  How would you rather see this money spent?

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:45:45 AM   
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Yeah, and how many WMDs did we find in Iraq? Did we find Osama bin Laden? Remeber? The two primary reasons for going in to either country?

A few years ago, some bridge entirely collapsed in to a river (I want to say Misouri, but I'm not 100% certain). Most of those motorists drown right in their cars. When people studied the bridge, they found the span was defined as 'structurally weaken' and should not have been driven over. Estimates (at that time), placed the bill of repairing 'structurally weaken' bridges (across America) at $150 Billion. Another $100 Billion to improve road & rail conditions, and use better technologies specific to the areas of the country as needed. So, a mere $250 Billion, spread out over ten years (that's $25 Billion/year). It has virtually no chance of passing through Congress.

Even though the work would be done right here in America, for Americans, by American companies, employing (hopefully) American workers, it cant get through Congress. So, the President is offering something that is 1/5th the cost, by tacking on 'airport' as well. And who will be against it? The Republican/Tea Party.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:49:37 AM   
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50 Million or 50 Billion? the op article indicates its both.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:55:41 AM   
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quote:

Estimates (at that time), placed the bill of repairing 'structurally weaken' bridges (across America) at $150 Billion.


The Federal Highway Administration puts the current cost of upgrading bridges at $63 billion.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-19-bridges_x.htm



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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 9:57:54 AM   
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Yes, I saw the first first sentence of the article has a typo. I guess even professional writers screw it up sometimes. Good to know since I can also easily screw up my typing in various ways.

"...Obama is proposing a $50 billion plan as an initial step toward a six-year program of transportation programs"...note INITIAL STEP.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:04:10 AM   
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Good.  Usually, these maintenance and upgrades are good for around 20 years, allotta bang for our buck.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:06:10 AM   
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Typical lib response...never let any crisis go to waste without an excuse to tax and spend more money we don't have! Decades ago we instituted the 'highway trust fund' funded by over 54 cents per gallon on gasoline purchases nation wide to be placed into a "highway trust fund" to be spent ONLY on roads and bridges....well guess what? The dogass democrat congress dumped that 'trust fund' into the general revenue fund, and now its GONE.... Whatever money is taxed....whatever 'targeted' revenue is STOLEN by soicialist pukes and spent like a drunken sailor on more "social' needs.... they will not stop until they spend the country into oblivion and that is why its TIME to throw these assholes out on their socialist rears and NEVER let these turds anywhere close to having their greedy communist hands on the treasury again....its either that or we lose America....simple and to the point. And this election is just the start of that process... reduce this idiot Obama to a lame duck status and go back and change everything he has done...void the bastard out into the nothing he is in reality..... just wasted fucking time..... and punch these democrat losers in the mouth for voting for this turd... the worst ever!

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:07:06 AM   
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The number of people working in construction is approaching a 14-year low now that the industry lost 21,000 jobs in September, while construction unemployment is at a September high of 17.2%, according to an analysis of federal employment figures released by the Associated General Contractors of America (AGC). The construction industry continues to suffer from declining investments in construction and broad uncertainty about the future of many federal infrastructure programs and tax rates, association officials noted.

“It has taken less than four years to erase a decade’s worth of job gains as the industry suffers from declining private, state and local construction demand,” said Ken Simonson, AGC’s chief economist. “No other sector of the economy has suffered as much for as long as construction.”

http://www.roadsbridges.com/Construction-employment-near-14-year-low-NewsPiece21728

I can see how this plan would potentially help many middle class americans.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:09:20 AM   
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bancrupting our country will benefit no one.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:11:30 AM   
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Put a percentage to the "many middle class Americans" that this plan would help.  What "percent" of the country would be employed doing this?  Remember...1% is slightly over 3 million people.  It won't employ HALF that figure.

Please also explain how you get around using union labor.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:13:13 AM   
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good post!

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:16:49 AM   
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quote:

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bancrupting our country will benefit no one.


It is bankrupting, firstly, and that was done via an invasion of Iraq, which is now on the books, and you can see what it is doing to our books. 

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:18:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Typical lib response...never let any crisis go to waste without an excuse to tax and spend more money we don't have! Decades ago we instituted the 'highway trust fund' funded by over 54 cents per gallon on gasoline purchases nation wide to be placed into a "highway trust fund" to be spent ONLY on roads and bridges....well guess what? The dogass democrat congress dumped that 'trust fund' into the general revenue fund, and now its GONE.... Whatever money is taxed....whatever 'targeted' revenue is STOLEN by soicialist pukes and spent like a drunken sailor on more "social' needs.... they will not stop until they spend the country into oblivion and that is why its TIME to throw these assholes out on their socialist rears and NEVER let these turds anywhere close to having their greedy communist hands on the treasury again....its either that or we lose America....simple and to the point. And this election is just the start of that process... reduce this idiot Obama to a lame duck status and go back and change everything he has done...void the bastard out into the nothing he is in reality..... just wasted fucking time..... and punch these democrat losers in the mouth for voting for this turd... the worst ever!


you spend and borrow money we dont have to bring your particular brand of enlightenment to the world. 

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:18:32 AM   
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So let's spend more...he said sarcastically

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:21:53 AM   
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quote:

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Put a percentage to the "many middle class Americans" that this plan would help.  What "percent" of the country would be employed doing this?  Remember...1% is slightly over 3 million people.  It won't employ HALF that figure.

Please also explain how you get around using union labor.

Thank you.







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Who said anything about getting around labor unions?

As far as percentages, no clue. I think its far too early to get that specific about a plan revealed today, dont you?

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 10:30:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Typical lib response...never let any crisis go to waste without an excuse to tax and spend more money we don't have! Decades ago we instituted the 'highway trust fund' funded by over 54 cents per gallon on gasoline purchases nation wide to be placed into a "highway trust fund" to be spent ONLY on roads and bridges....well guess what?



The first federal gasoline tax in the United States was created on June 6, 1932 with the enactment of the Revenue Act of 1932 with a tax of 1 cent/gal (0.3¢/L). The U.S. federal gasoline tax as of 2005[update] was 18.4¢/gal (4.86¢/L), and the gasoline taxes in the various states range from 10 cents to 33 cents, with an average about 22 cents per U.S. gallon (5.8¢/L), making the average combined tax on gasoline 42¢/gal. Unlike most goods in the U.S., the price displayed includes all taxes, rather than being calculated at the point of purchase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States

It even includes a cute lil chart showing the taxes on gasoline and deisel. Your estimate comes closer to deisel than gas.

Then-Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters stated on August 15, 2007 that about 60% of federal gas taxes are used for highway and bridge construction. The remaining 40% goes to earmarked programs.[4] However, revenues from other taxes is also used in federal transportation programs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States

The Highway Revenue Act mandated a three cent tax, increased to four cents in the late 1950s and the tax held steady at that level until the passage of the Surface Transportation Assistance Act in 1982. After President Ronald Reagan approved the act on January 6, 1983, the tax was increased to nine cents and mandated the establishment of the Mass Transit Account, splitting the tax with 8 cents going to the Highway Account and one cent going to the Mass Transit Account.

Politicians later seized on fuel taxes as an area where taxes could be collected for deficit reduction. On November 5, 1990, in an effort to reduce the deficit, President George H. W. Bush approved the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990, which increased the gas tax another five cents - half going to the Highway Fund and half going to deficit reduction. President Clinton increased the gas tax by 4.3 cents when he signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 on August 10, 1993. The total tax to 18.4 cents per gallon. However, the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 redirected the 4.3 cent hike to the HTF.

The general motor fuel tax still stands at 18.4 cents; however the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, formed in 2005 discussed raising the federal gas tax to 40 cents per gallon over five years. In its current form, the tax would be raised 5-8 cents annually for five years, then be indexed to inflation. [2]

The federal tax on motor fuels yielded $28.2 billion in 2006.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States

All liberals.... hmmm... Didnt know Reagan and Bush were liberals now.





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