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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 12:00:27 PM   
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What do you not understand?  What do you not get???  WHAT money goes to the construction companies?  WHERE does that money come from?  "one dollar in one dollar out" Don't give me that bullshit.  If it were truly one dollar in, one dollar out we wouldn't have a debt that almost equals our GDP.  We wouldn't have unfunded social security and pension liablities.  Don't tell me to take an economics course.  What the do YOU know about economics?  The construction companies buy raw materials?  Really?  Not any construction companies I have seen, they buy finished products in the form of 2 x 4's and sheet rock and steel girders.  And it was only after enormous pressure from the Bush Administration that China stopped its rebate system to exporters which stemmed the flood of Chinese shit products on the U.S. market.  Your freshman analysis is boring.

Here is more of your drivel:

"Take a wild guess what construction is.....manufacturing. And yes, some materials used in construction, improve the texile industry (including many other industries). But, lockedaway, your against the President's plan, display little understanding of how money exchanges take place in the USA, and even smaller understanding of the US Federal Reserve. Bottomline, your for America's economy going to shit, not against it. You'll vote in November for Republican/Tea Party who are against America getting better. Or have you not noticed the lack of ideas or real thoughts (i.e. educated and planned) on how to get the economy going again from the Republican/Tea Party?

While, I dont agree with Mr. Obama on somethings, lockedaway, he's and the Democrats are only show in town, trying to do something good for America. I dont frankly see Republican/Tea Party canidates offering up good ideas or thoughts, based on sound and test principles of economics or business that is long lasting. I shudder to think, what would have happen, if the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2009 (that's the Stimulus Bill, as I know your not knowledable enough to know it on your own), had not been put in to practice. Yes, it costed alot of money, but the money spent, went towards America. And we see the effects, as the economy improving over time. However, most Republican/Tea Party members are 'instant gratification'-olics, and therefore, can not understand long term issues and situations...."

EXACTLY WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN?  I will tell you what his fucking plan is my patriotic friend: 1) spend billions more to further leverage the American taxpayer; 2) increase taxes on the American tax payer DRASTICALLY with an end to the Bush tax cuts, the passage of a Value Added Tax; 3) the passage of a comprehensive energy bill in the form of Cap and Trade, which will, in effect, be the greatest tax increase of them all; 4) further socialize the debts of companies that were too big to fail and at the meantime increase entitlements in the form of endless unemployment benefits and foreclosure bail outs so you also socialize the debts of the lower class, leaving the middle class and super wealthy to carry the load.  There...there are a few of his plans so far that he has been stunningly successful with.

Hey...smart guy...when the top tax bracket becomes 50% and you find yourself paying 35%, plus your State income taxes, your property taxes, the taxes on your telephone and gasoline, are you still going to pay for the home nurse for your mother or send your kid to private school?


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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 12:10:25 PM   
lockedaway


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Status: offline 		Yeah, baby, ooops!  Why did you fail to quote this:

"The CBO reported in October 2009 reasons for the difference between the 2008 and 2009 deficits, which were approximately $460 billion and $1,410 billion, respectively. Key categories of changes included: tax receipt declines of $320 billion due to the effects of the recession and another $100 billion due to tax cuts in the stimulus bill (the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act or ARRA); $245 billion for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and other bailout efforts; $100 billion in additional spending for ARRA; and another $185 billion due to increases in primary budget categories such as Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, Social Security, and Defense - including the war effort in Afghanistan and Iraq. This was the highest budget deficit relative to GDP (9.9%) since 1945.[57] The national debt increased by $1.9 trillion during FY2009, versus the $1.0 trillion increase during 2008.["
 
Why did you fail to quote this?  Very dishonest of you.  But then...you are a lib. :)

What about this?

"GDP is a measure of the total size and output of the economy. One measure of the debt burden is its size relative to GDP. In fiscal 2007, U.S. public debt was approximately $5 trillion (36.8 percent of GDP) and total debt was $9 trillion (65.5 percent of GDP.)[61] Public debt represents money owed to those holding government securities such as Treasury bills and bonds. Total debt includes intra-governmental debt, which includes amounts owed to the Social Security Trust Funds (about $2.2 trillion in FY 2007)[62] and Civil Service Retirement Funds. By August 2008, the total debt was $9.6 trillion.[63]
Based on the 2010 U.S. budget, total national debt will nearly double in dollar terms between 2008 and 2015 and will grow to nearly 100% of GDP, versus a level of approximately 80% in early 2009.[64] Multiple government sources including the current and previous presidents, the GAO, Treasury Department, and CBO have said the U.S. is on an unsustainable fiscal path.[65] As the debt ratio increases, the exchange value of the dollar may fall. Paying back debt with cheaper currency could cause investors (including other governments) to demand higher interest rates if they anticipated further dollar depreciation. Paying higher interest rates could slow domestic U.S. growth.
Higher debt increases interest payments on the debt, which already exceed $430 billion annually as discussed below, or about 15 cents of every tax dollar for 2008.[66] According to the CIA Factbook, only six other countries have debt to GDP ratios over 100% for 2008, the largest of which is Japan at 170%.["

This is YOUR president that is running the train off the tracks.  You deserve what you get.






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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 12:45:04 PM   
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The CBO put our deficit at 700 billion when Bush left office. Understand? Obama has quadrupled it. And you support that?


Lets start with this lie that i have addressed with you before. The CBO stated that for fiscal year 2009, the deficit was 1.2 trillion dollars. As much as you would love to push that off on Obama, that deficit estimate is from the BUSH budget. The fiscal year for 2009 ran from oct 2008 to oct 2009. You do know what a fiscal budget is, right?

The actuality is that the deficit for 2009 was 1.4 trillion dollars. 2010 deficit is estimated to be 1.3 trillion.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/119xx/doc11936/SeptemberMBR.pdf


You are incorrect that the increase from 700 was entirely the Bush budget. There were several appropriations bills Obama signed in early in 2009 that also hit that budget.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 12:45:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		She failed to quote it so she wouldn't embarrass you further, you know the FY2009 budget was set by Bush and co, and if we were looking to apportion blame without regard to who what when where and why, and just did it as a divi by 12, Obamas part would be 1/4 of that.

Regarding paragraph two, yes, you know interest will accumulate and gobble up a greater percentage of the debt.   Nobody is immune from that, democrat or republican.
It is sorta how the real world works.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 12:46:32 PM   
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O'scumbag care has turned out to be a complete debacle with major corporations getting waived out from participating. And you support that too, I guess???


A one year waiver intended to protect those who have the least amount of protection while waiting on provisions in the health care law to come into effect?

Yep,. i call that acting responsibily.



Those companies and many others will be forced into the exchanges when the law is fully in effect. That has been the plan all along, as we have been telling you.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 12:47:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't he already do that last year?
I seem to remember something about "shovel ready" jobs. What happened to those?

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 1:01:58 PM   
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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 1:43:45 PM   
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Wasn't roads and infrastructure part of the nearly 900 billion stimulus package ?



Actually, not much of it went to roads and infrastructure. It was up to the local governments as to what they wanted it used for, and even then some projects were questionable.

What many people fail to realize is that it would take about 900 billion just to start on the problems with the infrastructure in this country, this would include dams that need work, levies, flood control canals, bridges, overpasses, rail lines, airports etc.

Current estimates put the cost of renovating the infrastructure of the United States at something like 3 trillion dollars over 20 years.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 1:46:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forgive this fast reply, but I couldn't help but see this pop up at the top of my screen while flipping through posts and reading this whole thing from front to back.... and laughing my ass off all the while.  I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, Conservative nor Liberal.  And the weird thing is I know some Repubs who are liberals, and some Dems who are conservative....So you're all off your rockers right from the get go where I'm concerned.  Oh, and a big F-off if I have typos.  I'm too busy laughing myself to tears to really give a damn what you think of a few mis-struck keys.

First off, my opinion on the health care bill, since everyone else got to put their two cents in.  I think it's a load of shit, a socialist program bent on making us more like China and less like America every day.  And anyone who comes after MY bank account to make me pay for some junky ass  bull shit health care I didn't ask for... well they haven't taken the right to arms away and I'll be putting it to good use.  The government can't run a damn thing from the post office to Amtrack with any kind of profit, why the HELL would I want them overseeing my health care.  It should stay in private hands, if, albeit, regulated a bit better.

Secondly, STIMULUS PACKAGES ARE A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.  Remember the $600 or whatever we got not too long ago?  Except for a brief upswing in the amount of shit people bought, it didn't do a damn thing...and THEN WE PAID TAXES ON IT ANYWAY.  ~applauds~  That's fantastic, what a SUPERB idea, considering it was enough to put some people into a higher tax bracket and then they paid MORE taxes.  ~chuckles~  Wonder what kind of raise Government officials got that year.

Third, spending money not already in a budget throughout the year when everybody knows that money isn't there.  Well shit, every president does it somewhat.  And the endless piles of dung heaped from one presidency to the next is never ending as well.  Obama knew exactly what he was in for when he ran for president.  He inherited Bush's, Clinton's, and everybody else's  problems when he decided to take office.  I'm not one for cutting him any slack there.  For bridges and roads...eh... I might be for it, if they were planning on cutting spending elsewhere, and the pork attached at the end of the bill didn't line a whole lot of pockets with even more money we don't have.  I live in New Orleans for goodness sake, the roads here SUCK (however that is what you get for building a city below the water table, I get it).

Since Obama took office I've heard a lot of advertising for programs and spending that put a LOT of control of our lives into the hands of the government.  And I am for that about as much as I would be for someone putting a shotgun at my forehead and pulling the damn trigger.  Anyone else hear about the fact they want to make cell phones free for people because they are a necessity now?  I don't fucking think so.  With as cheap as pre-paid cells are now a days if you can't afford a cell with what you are already getting from the government then you don't need one. 

Or we could always do what they are hoping we'll do, just turn our lives over to them and let the government do whatever the hell they want to.  Shit, American Idol gets more votes anyway.


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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 1:57:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm seeing it too here in Santa Barbara.  Our old airport terminal was a two-room outbuilding that didn't even have bathrooms in the waiting area.  If you had to go after going through security, you either had to hold it until you got on the plane, or you had to leave, go, and come back through security!

Thanks to the President, we have a new terminal under construction that will include...shock of shocks...bathrooms!  Wow!

I'm sure to the wingnuts, this is all "wasteful government spending."  They want the liberty to do their business behind a bush rather than in a bathroom.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 2:42:58 PM   
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Didn't he already do that last year?
I seem to remember something about "shovel ready" jobs. What happened to those?


The shoveling was being done by him.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 8:10:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Didn't he already do that last year?
I seem to remember something about "shovel ready" jobs. What happened to those?


The shoveling was being done by him.

We did them here. What did your states do?

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 8:54:20 PM   
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Yeah, baby, ooops!  Why did you fail to quote this:

"The CBO reported in October 2009 reasons for the difference between the 2008 and 2009 deficits, which were approximately $460 billion and $1,410 billion, respectively. Key categories of changes included: tax receipt declines of $320 billion due to the effects of the recession and another $100 billion due to tax cuts in the stimulus bill (the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act or ARRA); $245 billion for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and other bailout efforts; $100 billion in additional spending for ARRA; and another $185 billion due to increases in primary budget categories such as Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, Social Security, and Defense - including the war effort in Afghanistan and Iraq. This was the highest budget deficit relative to GDP (9.9%) since 1945.[57] The national debt increased by $1.9 trillion during FY2009, versus the $1.0 trillion increase during 2008.["
 
Why did you fail to quote this?  Very dishonest of you.  But then...you are a lib. :)

I didnt fail to include that. You just seem to have problems reading.



quote:

Deficit
The total deficit for fiscal year 2009 was $1.42 trillion, a $960 billion increase from the 2008 deficit.

The changes account for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (”overseas military contingencies”) in the budget rather than through the use of “emergency” supplemental spending bills, assume the Alternative Minimum Tax will be indexed for inflation, account for the full costs of Medicare reimbursements, and anticipate the inevitable expenditures for natural disaster relief. [2]

The deficit is forecast to decline to $1.17 trillion in 2010 and $533 billion by 2013.[3]

The 2009 deficit includes the cost of the Troubled Asset Relief Program ($154 billion in 2009),[4] the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 ($202 billion in 2009, $353 billion in 2010, and $232 billion in 2011 forward[5]), and the 2009 Omnibus spending bill ($410 billion)—and changes due to President Obama's policy proposals.

The 2009 budget deficit would represent 12.3% of gross domestic product,[6] the largest share since World War II.[7]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget

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What about this?


"GDP is a measure of the total size and output of the economy. One measure of the debt burden is its size relative to GDP. In fiscal 2007, U.S. public debt was approximately $5 trillion (36.8 percent of GDP) and total debt was $9 trillion (65.5 percent of GDP.)[61] Public debt represents money owed to those holding government securities such as Treasury bills and bonds. Total debt includes intra-governmental debt, which includes amounts owed to the Social Security Trust Funds (about $2.2 trillion in FY 2007)[62] and Civil Service Retirement Funds. By August 2008, the total debt was $9.6 trillion.[63]
Based on the 2010 U.S. budget, total national debt will nearly double in dollar terms between 2008 and 2015 and will grow to nearly 100% of GDP, versus a level of approximately 80% in early 2009.[64] Multiple government sources including the current and previous presidents, the GAO, Treasury Department, and CBO have said the U.S. is on an unsustainable fiscal path.[65] As the debt ratio increases, the exchange value of the dollar may fall. Paying back debt with cheaper currency could cause investors (including other governments) to demand higher interest rates if they anticipated further dollar depreciation. Paying higher interest rates could slow domestic U.S. growth.
Higher debt increases interest payments on the debt, which already exceed $430 billion annually as discussed below, or about 15 cents of every tax dollar for 2008.[66] According to the CIA Factbook, only six other countries have debt to GDP ratios over 100% for 2008, the largest of which is Japan at 170%.["

This is YOUR president that is running the train off the tracks.  You deserve what you get.





Again, addressed, see above.






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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/11/2010 8:57:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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O'scumbag care has turned out to be a complete debacle with major corporations getting waived out from participating. And you support that too, I guess???


A one year waiver intended to protect those who have the least amount of protection while waiting on provisions in the health care law to come into effect?

Yep,. i call that acting responsibily.



Those companies and many others will be forced into the exchanges when the law is fully in effect. That has been the plan all along, as we have been telling you.


And i still dont see a problem with that.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/12/2010 7:15:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I am like trying to squirt my right eye out by holding my breath to see if there is some koan I am missing.

Seems to me that spreading the risk is sorta very capitalistic and the whole fucking idea behind the insurance model and profitability.

Anyone who would be against the exchanges are either communists or marxists.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/12/2010 7:26:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Didn't he already do that last year?
I seem to remember something about "shovel ready" jobs. What happened to those?


The shoveling was being done by him.

We did them here. What did your states do?


Here too.

Our county had miles of sidewalks put in along with other improvements.

But it's a waste of time to point that out to those whose only goal is to prove Obama is a failure.



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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/12/2010 8:31:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

O'scumbag care has turned out to be a complete debacle with major corporations getting waived out from participating. And you support that too, I guess???


A one year waiver intended to protect those who have the least amount of protection while waiting on provisions in the health care law to come into effect?

Yep,. i call that acting responsibily.



Those companies and many others will be forced into the exchanges when the law is fully in effect. That has been the plan all along, as we have been telling you.


And i still dont see a problem with that.


Im sure you wouldnt, but dont give me the bullshit line that Obamacare wasnt always intended to steer the country toward single payer. Hes a fucking liar, along with Reid and Pelosi, and the sheep cling to all his lies.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/12/2010 8:32:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Didn't he already do that last year?
I seem to remember something about "shovel ready" jobs. What happened to those?


The shoveling was being done by him.

We did them here. What did your states do?


Here too.

Our county had miles of sidewalks put in along with other improvements.

But it's a waste of time to point that out to those whose only goal is to prove Obama is a failure.





Yeah, so where are the jobs now? How many billions to create how many temporary jobs?

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/12/2010 8:38:29 AM   
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Im sure you wouldnt, but dont give me the bullshit line that Obamacare wasnt always intended to steer the country toward single payer. Hes a fucking liar, along with Reid and Pelosi, and the sheep cling to all his lies.


He didnt lie. He started all this out wanting a single payer system.

Hell, i told you before the law was passed that this was the direction it was all heading too.

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RE: Obama touts $50 billion transportation proposal - 10/12/2010 8:40:43 AM   
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Im sure you wouldnt, but dont give me the bullshit line that Obamacare wasnt always intended to steer the country toward single payer. Hes a fucking liar, along with Reid and Pelosi, and the sheep cling to all his lies.


He didnt lie. He started all this out wanting a single payer system.

Hell, i told you before the law was passed that this was the direction it was all heading too.


But he also said that this bill WASNT a path to single payer. That was the big lie.

And that wont be the ultimate direction after the voters and the courts get done with it.

Why dont you post some of your quotes saying that as well.

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