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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/14/2010 10:01:20 PM   
Real0ne


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Oh and since you bring up "legitimacy" lets have some fun with that 13th amendment that you all enjoyed ridiculing me about last time I brought it up.

Here ridicule this! LMAO

Constitution of the united States with original
13th Amendment (NO ATTORNEYS ALLOWED) --
CERTIFIED.pdf


Care to explain how an amendment magically disappeared from the federal constitution when the states recognize it as ratified?   

You were saying?



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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 5:44:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		there is no 13th amendment in that documentation, and neither should there be. and that is why nobody can give credence to any of even of your smallest of delusions.

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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 6:10:05 AM   
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there is no 13th amendment in that documentation, and neither should there be. and that is why nobody can give credence to any of even of your smallest of delusions.


shame on you ron





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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 6:27:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		that is article 13, which is a far different motherfucker than a 13th amendment. shame on you for being ignorant. 

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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 6:38:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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I understood what he said perfectly.


well then by all means explain it. 

LEts see now,

a golfer plays golf
bailor delivers bail
settlor settles accounts
grantors grant

but a constitutor does not constitute.

I cant wait to see how deep you want to take this one!




a constitutor constitutes. a constitutor does not constitituion.

you are an imbicilor.

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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 6:43:35 AM   
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that is article 13, which is a far different motherfucker than a 13th amendment. shame on you for being ignorant. 



double shame on you ron
just bend over smile and take it like a man









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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 7:10:50 AM   
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hell since we are having so much fun


CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - Non_Ratification_14th_Amendment-1.pdf


now this one requires a bit higher reading skill than the last one but good luck with it anyway





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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 7:10:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		you are a simpleton.  that is an unratified constituion, and those are not amendment amendments after ratification, the 13th amendment to the unratified constitution was incorporated in section 9, thusly, and I believe only the first 10 of those amendments stood as amendments:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

please note the date of presentment (september 1787 uhhhhhhh that is before ratification), unless you believe that George Washington is in on the 'conspiracy' as well.

you got your dick in your hands, nothing else.  


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RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 7:44:43 AM   
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you are a simpleton.  that is an unratified constituion, and those are not amendment amendments after ratification, the 13th amendment to the unratified constitution was incorporated in section 9, thusly, and I believe only the first 10 of those amendments stood as amendments:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

please note the date of presentment (september 1787 uhhhhhhh that is before ratification), unless you believe that George Washington is in on the 'conspiracy' as well.

you got your dick in your hands, nothing else.  



Hey its the only certified copy I have so far there are more coming LOL


More certified copies with dates well into the 1800's are coming:

  • Rhode Island and Kentucky published the new Amendment in 1822.
  • Ohio first published it in 1824.
  • Maine ordered 10,000 copies of the Constitution with the 13th Amendment for school use in 1824 and again in 1831 for the Census Edition.
  • Indiana Revised Laws of 1831 published the 13th article on page 20, Northwestern Territories in 1833.
  • Ohio Published it in 1831 and again 1833.
  • Wisconsin Territory in 1839.
  • Iowa Territory in 1843.
  • Ohio again in 1848.
  • Kansas Statutes in 1855.
  • Nebraska Territory 1855, 1856, 1857, 1858, 1859 and 1860.
  • Colorado Territory printed the U. S Constitution in its Statutes publication showing the 13th Amendment in 1868.
    ratification records:
  • Maryland, Dec. 25, 1810
    Tennessee, Nov. 21, 1811
    Kentucky, Jan 31, 1811
    Georgia, Dec. 13, 1811
    Ohio, Jan 31, 1811
    North Carolina, Dec.23, 1811
    Delaware, Feb 2, 1811
    Massachusetts, Feb. 27, 1812
    Pennsylvania, Feb. 6, 1811
    New Hampshire, Dec. 10, 1812
    New Jersey, Feb. 13, 1811
    Virginia, March 10, 1819
    Vermont, Oct 24, 1811
  • thats the "orignial" 13th that the constitutors constituted into a constitution.  LMAO

    < Message edited by Real0ne -- 10/15/2010 7:53:14 AM >

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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 7:56:42 AM   
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    Status: offline     		surrealone has latched onto a kind of bizarre little anecdote of US history.

    A lot of people thought the Titles of Nobility amendment had passed. It was published as part of many printings of the US constitution in the 19th century. However it never quite passed and was never formally added to the Constitution. In 2 cases only one house of the state legislatur approved it when both had to which likely led to the confusion.

    Modern conspiracy nuts have latched onto it to claim that it would make lawyers, who use the title esqiure, forfeit their citizenship.

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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:03:51 AM   
    Real0ne


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    ORIGINAL: DomKen

    surrealone has latched onto a kind of bizarre little anecdote of US history.

    A lot of people thought the Titles of Nobility amendment had passed. It was published as part of many printings of the US constitution in the 19th century. However it never quite passed and was never formally added to the Constitution. In 2 cases only one house of the state legislatur approved it when both had to which likely led to the confusion.

    Modern conspiracy nuts have latched onto it to claim that it would make lawyers, who use the title esqiure, forfeit their citizenship.


    just like the 14th right?

    quote:



    hell since we are having so much fun


    CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - Non_Ratification_14th_Amendment-1.pdf


    now this one requires a bit higher reading skill than the last one but good luck with it anyway





    feel free to put up your documentation on the matter so I dont have to write it off as bullshit because not adding it to the constitution or later removing it has nothing to do with its ratification does it?

    If you want to bring in the ratification process and make that sort of stipulation stick then I will be more than happy to move on to the 16th that has a boat load of anomalies much more weighty than your claim.


    oh and BTW, hard as you may try to latch that onto a conspiracy agenda the fact that esquire is a title of nobility stands on its own merit.   So good luck selling that one too.







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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:07:51 AM   
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    Status: offline     		uh, you can laugh like woody woodpecker and slobber like cujo all you want about this, but the 14th was ratified  (with controversy) fundamentally by unseating some legislatures in the south and a few northern governors monkeybusiness, but what did the supreme court say?


    end of joke.
      

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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:11:26 AM   
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    uh, you can laugh like woody woodpecker and slobber like cujo all you want about this, but the 14th was ratified  (with controversy) fundamentally by unseating some legislatures in the south and a few northern governors monkeybusiness, but what did the supreme court say?


    end of joke.
     





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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:13:44 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Th issues with the 14th have been litigated. Your side lost and no Senate floor speech can change that.

    As to the Titles of Nobility Amendment it was never ratified by enough states.
    http://www.thirdamendment.com/nobility.html

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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:15:27 AM   
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    Status: offline     		they didnt uphold it in roe v wade either, and that case had as much to do with the validity of the ratification of the 14th amendment.



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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:20:48 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Coleman v Miller was about whether or not an Amendment could be sent to the states without a time limit on ratification. It had nothing to do with the validity of the 14th Amendment.

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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:21:31 AM   
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    they didnt uphold it in roe v wade either, and that case had as much to do with the validity of the ratification of the 14th amendment.




    upholding it is NOT the same as upholding the VALIDITY of it 

    take a break man!  LOL


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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:27:41 AM   
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    Status: offline     		The Supreme Court, in case after case, refused to pass on the illegal activities involved in "ratification." It said simply that they were acts of the "political departments of the Government." This, of course, was a convenient device of avoidance. The Court has adhered to that position ever since Reconstruction Days.

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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:37:19 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: DomKen

    Th issues with the 14th have been litigated. Your side lost and no Senate floor speech can change that.

    As to the Titles of Nobility Amendment it was never ratified by enough states.
    http://www.thirdamendment.com/nobility.html


    have they?  how about putting whatever you think is valid up?

    Posting a link illustrating anyone who disagrees with you and status quo is hardly validation, like that dood covered the whole spectrum where the only thing he forgot to add was aliens.
    quote:


    In the late 18th and 19th century there was frequent confusion about whether amendments had become part of the Constitution. "At that time no legal procedure existed to control the communication of action by States to the Federal Government.... 


    The problem of course is if you cant prove it, it never happened and labeling everyone extremists aint even good evidence.

    Like I said more certifications coming.  Feel free to match it.


    btw if there was no legal procedure as he claims what makes his version valid in the first place  LOL

    In other words how the hell can we know ANYTHING is true?

    Oh and BTW again....

    There are no states added to the original union.  If there were tehy would have had to add an amendment to the articles of confederation.

    The AOC ENUMERATES the united states of america, all future states joined on the same footing to the united states.   Not the same "thing".


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    RE: Is the United States government Legitimate? - 10/15/2010 8:46:22 AM   
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    Status: offline     		The AOC are no longer the law of the land. When the States ratified the Constitution they also voided the AOC.

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