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mons -> RE: Honor and dishonor (5/1/2006 6:23:49 PM)

GREETINGS LOKI

I HAVE FOUND AS A DOMME , THERE ARE SO MANY WONDERFUL MALE MASTER AND DOMINANT.
THE ONE THING I FOUND IS SOMEONE WHO PRETENDS THEY ARE A MASTER AND THEY ARE NOT WHAT THEY SAY. I KNOW SOMEONE WHO WAS ALMOST TRICK IN TRAVELING WITH SOMEONE HE TRUSTED TO A PLACE SO FARAWAY, WITH NO HE KNEW AROUND AT ALL. LUCKY MY FRIEND QUESTION THIS MASTER BUT EACH TIME HE QUESTION HIM, HE WOULD NOT GIVE A WHOLE ANSWER TO WHAT HE ASKED. THEN ONE TIME HE JUST DECIDE TO LOAD EVERY AND ALL QUESTIONS HE WANTED ANSWERS TO IN ONE EMAIL, THAT DID IT ANY VERY REAL MASTER WOULD HAD NOT HAD A PROBLEM WITH SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT THE USUAL SUBMISSIVE OR SLAVE WOULD ASK. All CONACT WITH HIM WAS GONE THIS MASTER WAS TO BE A MENTOR AND FRIEND BUT HE BROKE A PROMISE AND RIGHT AWAY WROTE ONE LETTER TO HIM AND HE NEVER SPOKE TO HIM AGAIN. MY FRIEND WAS UPSET AND HURT BUT WHAT WE HAVE SINCE FOUND OUT ABOUT HIM LEFT ME FEELING COLD, HE COULD HAD BEEN HURT. THIS IS AN UUNSAL THING AND I HOPE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN OFTEN BUT IT BRING FORTH IN ONES MIND GET TO KNOW SOMEONE FIRST. OH YES THE TRIP WAS TO A DUGEON AND MY FRIEND IS NOT INTO PAIN. THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO THIS STORY BUT TO END , I THINK HONEST IS SOMETHING A MASTER OR A DOM OR A DOMME MUST KEEP TO HOLD THEIR OWN SELVES WITHOUT GULIT. LYING , DISHONORALBLE BEHAVOIR , NO SENSE OF SELF WORTH FOR YOU OR YOUR SLAVE:

WILL MAKE FOR A BAD BDSM
BEST WISHES TO ALL

MONS/JANE
PERSON




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Honor and dishonor (5/13/2006 3:44:50 PM)

i do not now why anyone would want to be with someone who is not a human being. for example a bs artist. wh would wan to be with anyone who causes kaos in  your life. manipulation and coversion of acts of dishonestly. not someone i want to be around. or apart of my life why the thrill of hunt or power to win someone through means less then honorable. only causes these things for you. depression. sickness. abandonment. lonelyness. isolation. why would want that. they ruin lives and destory relationships even breakup others. then i hear do not judge others well you know what i love peace. i like people around me who are positive thinking and are doers. who are for the good of each other and relationships.. do not have to lie do not have to manipulate just gotta be human and a person of substance. to the rest see ya would not want to be ya. huggles to those who have been there done that may you find that joy that you once had.




Wulfchyld -> RE: Honor and dishonor (5/13/2006 3:53:29 PM)

I must admit I am very pleased with the outcome of this thread and I do hope it turns into a valuable resource both for Dom/me’s to act as a model and guide and for sub/slaves to add to their checklist for prospective D’s. I thank you all for your contributions and do hope more will follow.

Smiling




Sinergy -> RE: Honor and dishonor (5/13/2006 4:03:57 PM)

Hello A/all,

There was an issue of Psychology Today about lying a few months ago.  The question was posited as to why human beings are untruthful since everybody does it (to greater or lesser degree) and almost everybody thinks the behavior is abhorrent.  The article went on to make some interesting points about why it was in the interests of survival and natural selection to be able to be untruthful.

In the classes we teach, we teach our students that they do not owe somebody who means them harm the truth.  Somebody comes up to me that I have a bad feeling about and wants to know where I live, what my SSN is, etc., I am not about to tell them.

On the other hand, for me it is a personal thing.  I identify spiritually as a Zen Taoist with Buddhist leanings.  While I can pontificate for hours about what that means, in the interest of this thread I will state that one of the ideals of Buddhism is that one acts as one does so that one will appear good in one's own eyes.  What this means is that I am fully capable of lying, but I just dont.  I have to face myself in the mirror when I brush my teeth, and be able to answer the question (Did I express my own personal ideals and uphold where my moral compass leads me today?) I pose myself constantly.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I would say lying is right up there at the top. Not keeping ones word next to it. 


If I say I am going to do something.  I will do everything in my power to make it happen.  Sometimes things happen which make it impossible, but when I see that happening I try to figure out another way to keep my word.  And times in my life where I have not been able to honor my agreements still haunt me to this day.

Having said that, I will state that giving my word that I will do something is not something I do lightly.  This is a personal thing; my parents would agree to do just about every fool thing I ever asked them to do, and then not come through.  I do not want to appear in the eyes of other people to be anything like how the two people who raised me appear in my eyes.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy




LadyHugs -> RE: Honor and dishonor (5/13/2006 4:36:15 PM)

Dear Loki, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I think this is a very good thread and very important. 
 
My list is not in any order of priority/preference.  The list is:
 
Honor:
1. People with the good “spirit of intent” in their spirit and souls.
2. People that have a sense of duty to others as well as self.
3. People who care and do care always, not when it is easy to do.
4. People giving and showing respect to others, even though it is not expected to be returned.
5. People that take their responsibilities, duties, knowledge, skills, convictions seriously and ethically.
6. People that give of themselves, so others may benefit.
7. People who can practice what they ‘preach’ or say.
8. People who can take advice.
9. People who know how to listen
10. People who know how to keep confidential information discreet.
11. People who are able to empower others.
 
Dishonor:
1. People who have an evil intent as to intentionally do harm in physical, mental, emotional, spiritually, financially, to others, to include the community at large, world wide.
2. People who have to use manipulations, lies, misinformation, fiction as to attract attention to themselves, they use a cowards way.
3. People who cannot practice what they ‘preach’ or speak about.
4. People who rob others of their dignity, trust, security, sense of self, sense of purpose, sense of worth, of possessions, of humor, of their “open minds” and their power.
5. People who do not take their responsibilities, duties, knowledge, skills and convictions seriously or ethically, leaving the door open to harm in so many ways.
 
Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs




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