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Nslavu -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 11:03:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL:sexyred1
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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

[:D]

There's been a series of amusing (per say) threads on the boards lately. It's almost becoming common. Or am I just thinking that way?


It is not just you. Believe me.


Phew, thanks red .. I hate being amused unless I think I'm amused. [8D]

Wait!!! ... believe you? Don't tell me what to do! .... you almost snuck one by me ... but HA! Me- 1 you- 0 . [:)]



I may have top stop gazing into your eyes lest the score improve in your favor. *Nslavu puts on darker sunglasses*




TotalDiscipline -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 11:30:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: behavingbadly

i have a bad habit of telling them what to do. is that wrong per say? i think it's more common then people think, if it's done discretely.



IF they don't complain, it is allowed




LaTigresse -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 11:44:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: behavingbadly

i have a bad habit of telling them what to do. is that wrong per say? i think it's more common then people think, if it's done discretely.


You also have a bad habit of being far too vague.

As others have pointed out so well, context is everything.

If you're my slave and think you will manipulate me, you're a fool. If you are my slave and are being helpful, you're serving.






CreativeDominant -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 12:52:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: behavingbadly

i have a bad habit of telling them what to do. is that wrong per say? i think it's more common then people think, if it's done discretely.


You also have a bad habit of being far too vague.

As others have pointed out so well, context is everything.

If you're my slave and think you will manipulate me, you're a fool. If you are my slave and are being helpful, you're serving.

LaT put this so well though many others' thoughts on this subject have made a lot of sense.

I answered one of your threads last week and that seemed to be along these same lines.  I recall reading your profile and getting the definite impression that you start out being a challenge...and enjoy it.  you remind me very much of those submissives who say "prove your dominance over ME".  For me, that wouldn't work.  I understand that I work to earn everyone's respect, whether it be as a father, a friend, a doctor, a dominant.  If you respect me, then you recognize my dominance...whether it is over you or not (you might need to think about this one for awhile.  A submissive can recognize dominance within someone whether they respond to it or not.  The response is their choice and depends on many other factors).  In my own life, before I take on the responsibility of dominance over a submissive, I make my basic rules and my basic premise clear.  The premise is this...there is room for two partners in this relationship/dynamic and one leader...the leader is not you.

I have listened to all kinds of advice and suggestions and guidance from my previous submissives.  All of them understood that I would weigh what they told me carefully and make a decision if that was what was called for or...because I am not so egotistical as to think I always know better...did as they suggested.  But they all knew that there was a difference in my response to what they were telling me and what their response should be to what I told them. 

In your case...if what you are really saying is that you challenge the dominant constantly, then I would be gone.  As a matter of fact, I don't think that, given what you have posted elsewhere and in your profile...and I am pretty sure in your conversation...I would enter into a D/s dynamic with someone like you in the first place.  As someone else said in a similar vein, I have reached a stage in my life where a constant fight for control just is not worth it to me and I don't think it should be occurring in the first place when someone has agreed to submit.  I've had that problem and despite the fact that there are a myriad of factors that are in play, the basic one is a refusal to yield...for whatever reason.  At that point...as noted by others and by me in the past...serious discussion is called for along with possible course corrections by the dominant, the submissive or both.  In the case of someone like you...I have a feeling that the majority of your reasons would come down to, at their core, "because I don't FEEL like listening" or "I wanna be the boss but without the responsibility", which means your challenges would be an attempt to manipulate...as LaT put it, I am not a fool.




Lockit -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 1:12:01 PM)

CreativeDominant brings up an interesting thing I would like to elaborate upon. In person I rarely find someone that challenges me. I am friendly and fun and approachable and yet people can tell, I know what I am about and firmly express myself in most things. I don't think that everyone gets who and what I am, but most see that I am a very strong woman with a solid stand and most get that you know where you stand with me because I am very clear about where I am.

Those that wish to test me are people I've found had problems in life and they were playing some childish game of testing, testing, what can I get away with(?), how can I manipulate this(?). Around here at CM, I encounter this a lot. Someone will willingly and knowingly do something they know I wouldn't like and when I respond to basically go away, I don't do games or drama, they beg for forgiveness as if they didn't mean to do it and were ignorant and surely would never do it again. lol Yeah... I am just slow enough and needy enough to fall for that!

There comes a time in life when people have to make choices. To either grow up and get off the roller coaster or keep on riding it. Being forced to grow up or forced to be stable and mean what you say and do doesn't work. That break me to prove something doesn't prove anything but someone wanted to stay on the ride of drama a bit longer. 




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 3:07:21 PM)

Yeah I had a girl once that tried telling me what to do often. She spent a lot of time chained to the foot of my bed with red welts. Offering advice is different, and if the relationship allows unsolicited advice that is fine.


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ORIGINAL: behavingbadly

i have a bad habit of telling them what to do. is that wrong per say? i think it's more common then people think, if it's done discretely.





submitting4U -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 4:22:24 PM)

Most truly dominant people will either confront or ignore the subs passive aggressive or overt attempt to manipulate and control. Subs do this at times, as an attention or relational connecting experience. My pro domina punishes me with brutally ignoring me, which evokes my separation anxieties to the extreme. At those times when i feel disconnected from her, and i literally cannot eat or sleep. i've learned not to coerce control, least i be punished in that way. Rather, i have learned to ask respectfully, offer more of myself, or exalt her in a way that she appreciates. She rewards this positive behavior and as she is proud to tell me, i am her mushroom. i am kept in the dark about her life and fed her shit ... and happy to have that from her. the only i tell her now is how happy i am to eat at her alter ... a pathetic but true account ...




angelikaJ -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 4:51:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: behavingbadly

i have a bad habit of telling them what to do. is that wrong per say? i think it's more common then people think, if it's done discretely.


There is a big difference between sharing information, offering a suggestion and "telling someone what to do".
In my case, the first 2 are appreciated. He values my intelligence and knowledge, and offering wise counsel or sharing a concern are well within the boundaries of our dynamic.

The latter: would be unacceptable behavior.

My job is to obey him and not the other way around.

Your profile portrays you as a bit of a brat. That is great if it works for you and your mistress.

Bratting is unacceptable behavior in our relationship.
Fortunately for me, I rarely do.

As for communication, I am upfront with my emotions and thoughts, either verbally or through various written forms.
Answers are either yes, no or not right now; whichever one is in the best interest of our relationship.

Passive-aggressive is a poor way to get one's needs met.

Trying to control an outcome indicates to me that either you have not achieved a level of trust or you aren't ready to relinquish control.

You may want to be a submissive woman who serves a mistress but you might not be ready for that yet.
Or perhaps what you really want is a play only situation. There is nothing wrong with that, if that turns out to be the case for you.




Nehemiah -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:05:00 PM)

I think if the bottom is role-playing a bratty personality, I would think they could try to tell someone what to do. It depends on the roles.




sweetsub1957 -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:24:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: submitting4U

Most truly dominant people will either confront or ignore the subs passive aggressive or overt attempt to manipulate and control. Subs do this at times, as an attention or relational connecting experience.

SOME subs do that. I know that, were I passive-aggressively manipulating to control, the punishment would be very swiftly applied. It will not be tolerated and, lucky for me, I don't operate that way anyway so I'm not even tempted.

~sweetsub~




behavingbadly -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:39:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

So in other words behavingbadly, you will challenge someone that doesn't force you to behave? Without being fearful of a challenge... I can honestly say someone like that would be history. Why? Because they challenged me? NO! OH HELL No! Because they didn't honor what they said they wanted. Because they broke their word to me. Because they are unstable and untrustworthy. Because they don't even honor themselves and who they say they are as a submissive.

Basically, you want a power struggle or to test... find someone young enough to want to play stupid games... because this old broad wants what he says he was and knows she is fair enough to allow him the freedom to be who he says he is... but pulling a switch for whatever reason... means a switch I will never put a finger on again.



what's wrong with testing?




behavingbadly -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:42:44 PM)

it's also the reaction of being new to the lifestyle, i want to know where i can be pushed to.




WolfyMontgomery -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:44:24 PM)

It depends on the dynamic you're in and/or want and the people who you share that dynamic want.

If they want all-out submission, you may not be the sub for them.

If they want a spunky girl who makes them want to work to Dom them, much like a DaddyDom/little relationship perhaps, then they'd probably enjoy your spunk and demanding self ;)

It's okay to make demands, it just means that certain people won't want you as a sub, and you won't want them as a Mistress/Master.

What they say applies only to them. Look for what YOU want, learn it, and be honest about it to anyone who asks, that way it'll save you and them loads of trouble if you aren't the type of sub they're looking for.




Lockit -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:44:40 PM)

Nothing if you can find someone to put up with it.

Now if I thought you were serious and weren't testing... I might give you a longer answer, but I really think you like pushing buttons and you are trying to do so. I think I made myself pretty clear. I also think you know exactly what you are doing. Attention folks, I'm here... I am innocent and don't know the way of it.. but I sure do like to test the way of it. Play that game with someone who will fall for it.

The problem is sweetheart... I don't give a shit. Have your fun...




AquaticSub -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:46:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: behavingbadly


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

So in other words behavingbadly, you will challenge someone that doesn't force you to behave? Without being fearful of a challenge... I can honestly say someone like that would be history. Why? Because they challenged me? NO! OH HELL No! Because they didn't honor what they said they wanted. Because they broke their word to me. Because they are unstable and untrustworthy. Because they don't even honor themselves and who they say they are as a submissive.

Basically, you want a power struggle or to test... find someone young enough to want to play stupid games... because this old broad wants what he says he was and knows she is fair enough to allow him the freedom to be who he says he is... but pulling a switch for whatever reason... means a switch I will never put a finger on again.



what's wrong with testing?


Some people, myself included, regard testing in relationships as... contrary to the goal. I want to work with him. Not against him. It's not a battle, it's not a game and I don't keep score. I just... love him and do my best to submit to him. We regard it as better for us to focus on improving ourselves instead of testing each other.




behavingbadly -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:49:08 PM)


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Forgive me if I'm reading you incorrectly, but when I add this question to the more recent one's you've
asked, I get the impression that you take some pleasure out of refusing to be "reigned in", and telling them
what to do instead.

Is it right or wrong for who? How does it make you feel? Maybe it's right for you.
How does your master/mistress react to this behavior...maybe its right for them?
Are you doing so in moments of intimacy only? Maybe thats right for both of you.
Do you tell them to fetch you a drink? Again..maybe this is right for you both.

See how this goes? It's impossible for any of us to define the boundaries of your relationship.
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nice, very intelligent and informative response.




behavingbadly -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 5:54:55 PM)

being new to the lifestyle i think it's normal to test yourself and things you like, some of you have said it's right, some of you have said it's wrong for them and some of you are not sure, which was my original question wheather it's right or wrong so thanks for sharing your personal opinions.




AquaticSub -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 6:09:06 PM)

Testing yourself isn't testing the person you are with though. Now, if you want a relationship where things are always being tested - go for it. Whatever makes you happy. Just be aware that it's a huge turn off for some so that is going to a deal-breaker for some people. Not that it matters - if that is the dynamic that makes you happy, that is what you need to seek. Just kinda an FYI. [:)]




sweetsub1957 -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 6:26:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WolfyMontgomery
If they want a spunky girl who makes them want to work to Dom them, much like a DaddyDom/little relationship perhaps, then they'd probably enjoy your spunk and demanding self ;)

[hijack]
Just as an aside, not all littles are pushy mouthy brats that don't listen. Some of us are good girls that listen and obey. Geez. Don't make us all look bad.
[/end hijack]




poise -> RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? (10/21/2010 6:27:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: behavingbadly

being new to the lifestyle i think it's normal to test yourself and things you like, some of you have said it's right, some of you have said it's wrong for them and some of you are not sure, which was my original question wheather it's right or wrong so thanks for sharing your personal opinions.


In the example you just clarified, it seems you are resisting the power exchange by pushing their limits/patience.
The only thing you may learn from these actions is just how few will tolerate it.
I think it's more important for you to focus on why you are feeling this is a necessary action.
The desire to submit yourself to another is a power exchange..not a power struggle.
Trust me, you will know the difference when you feel it.
 
Also, just because someone is dominant doesn't mean you need to feel submissive to them.
Are you even in an intimate relationhip with those that you are telling what to do, or just
casual aquaintances that happen to be dominant?

I think its also equally important that you dont feel the need for our approval on what you do in
your relationships. I sometimes feel that you are living under the impression that you have to do
this "the right way" as though there was a manual, and you cant get to chapter 5 before you read chapter 4.
Be the woman you are without worrying if you are breaking some BDSM code of conduct.
You will find your comfort zone soon enough. :)




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