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slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 8:53:30 PM)
How is the rift healed? When he claims the descendancy of Jefferson for his own.Any dissenting iterpatation is met with a convincing and resounding...."your wrong". It would seem the dismissive attitude is coming from our ernest self styled spokesman of reaction/

Icarys -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 8:54:04 PM)
quote: Enjoy your beer. I rarely drink and that kind of stuff doesn't work on me.

Musicmystery -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 8:54:29 PM)
Pose something other than silliness if you expect to be taken seriously. Come on--it just went in circles and contradictions. Knock yourself out and enjoy. Dismissed.

Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 8:54:47 PM)
Egads I better get this constitution stuff back on track! Thats what I am talking about! LETS ROCK! quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Sorry,but that is what the Constitution is for there are ample protection inherent in our system of laws to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. The constitution PROTECTS NOTHING. One of the intents was to secure rights of the people not the same thing. (welcome to leeeego-land) If by LAWS you mean statutes there is no remedy, case in point lets see you get out of paying your DEMOCRACY property taxes!!! people have completely rejected all services that the DEMOCRACY offers at the tip of the barrel of a gun and they still have to pay property taxes, why is that if the constitution specifically forbids the conversion of private property for public use? I'm not buying that one at all.....certainly not for justification for rebellion,sedition or insurrection.We have elections to address the direction of gov't ...we have courts to seek redress against the overreaching of that gov't. There is nothing sick or wrong with the form of the gov't. well in my state the natural person has to pay taxes. right in the statutes, the state claims it is sovereign ABOVE the PEOPLE who created it. Explain that and we will believe you that minority is protected.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 8:57:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u How is the rift healed? When he claims the descendancy of Jefferson for his own.Any dissenting iterpatation is met with a convincing and resounding...."your wrong". It would seem the dismissive attitude is coming from our ernest self styled spokesman of reaction/ [8\|]

DMFParadox -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 8:58:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Of course not....but since their side as appropriated for themselves the mantel of patriotism....and have somehow become the righful heirs of the Founders.....the rest of us not quite as American,not quite as in touch with our heritage better be careful lest we bring upon ourselves the dire consequences foretold by these patriotic true blue rebs in the making. Whoa, dude. Mom was a 'Daughter of the Revolution', if you understand what that implies; and I can list Daniel Webster, Ulysses Grant, and Davy Jones in my woodpile, great-uncles and whatnot. More recently my grandma on my father's side was a person of note in the feminist movement, and my grandfather on my mother's side was on Kennedy's council and the commander that freed Auschwitz and ravensbruk. Don't be throwin' no heritageries around without knowing who you're up against. I fucking AM a rightful heir of the founders, buddy. And as heir to the throne I say, I don't give a damn who your parents were, you're an heir too, and so is everybody else here, so shut the blue fuck up. Please.

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:01:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Of course not....but since their side as appropriated for themselves the mantel of patriotism....and have somehow become the righful heirs of the Founders.....the rest of us not quite as American,not quite as in touch with our heritage better be careful lest we bring upon ourselves the dire consequences foretold by these patriotic true blue rebs in the making. Whoa, dude. Mom was a 'Daughter of the Revolution', if you understand what that implies; and I can list Daniel Webster, Ulysses Grant, and Davy Jones in my woodpile, great-uncles and whatnot. More recently my grandma on my father's side was a person of note in the feminist movement, and my grandfather on my mother's side was on Kennedy's council and the commander that freed Auschwitz and ravensbruk. Don't be throwin' no heritageries around without knowing who you're up against. I fucking AM a rightful heir of the founders, buddy. And as heir to the throne I say, I don't give a damn who your parents were, you're an heir too, and so is everybody else here, so shut the blue fuck up. Please.

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:03:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Of course not....but since their side as appropriated for themselves the mantel of patriotism....and have somehow become the righful heirs of the Founders.....the rest of us not quite as American,not quite as in touch with our heritage better be careful lest we bring upon ourselves the dire consequences foretold by these patriotic true blue rebs in the making. Whoa, dude. Mom was a 'Daughter of the Revolution', if you understand what that implies; and I can list Daniel Webster, Ulysses Grant, and Davy Jones in my woodpile, great-uncles and whatnot. More recently my grandma on my father's side was a person of note in the feminist movement, and my grandfather on my mother's side was on Kennedy's council and the commander that freed Auschwitz and ravensbruk. Don't be throwin' no heritageries around without knowing who you're up against. I fucking AM a rightful heir of the founders, buddy. And as heir to the throne I say, I don't give a damn who your parents were, you're an heir too, and so is everybody else here, so shut the blue fuck up. Please. Please reread my post.....once you actually understand it come back and amend your tirade.

MistressRosalyn -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:19:51 PM)
I though Ravensbruk and Auschwitz were liberated by the Red Army? Guess I'd better go back and re-learn my history.

DMFParadox -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:20:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Please reread my post.....once you actually understand it come back and amend your tirade. Granting you the benefit of the doubt, I did. On re-read, with preceding posts in mind and trying to give it the best possible interpretation though available context, I am no longer offended; I am simply confused. What the hell are you referring to? Nobody else was claiming the mantle of anything before you mentioned heirs. I admit I was previously quite offended that you pulled out an 'heirs to the revolution' argument -- rather, claiming that the folks you're taking issue with are claiming the mantle of exclusive heirs, in so doing excluding you. My point was that you are not allowed to raise that as a strawman argument, because people like me who can trace their lineages to the Mayflower -- and we talk to each other, there are like coffee klatches and crap, and more scrapbooking than any normal human can tolerate without self immolation -- anyway, people like that tend to get really and possibly violently angry about statements like yours. Have you ever been struck down by an old lady with a 50 lbs. scrapbook? You'll feel it, I can honestly tell you. Are you talking about the references to the declaration? Seemed like relatively reasonable arguments from both sides; I was hating neither the points musicmystery nor icarys were making.

DMFParadox -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:25:09 PM)
Auschwits was on the polish side of things if I recall, but Old Dad lead a strike team into it on Patton's orders. Patton tended to piss people off, he was very unpolitical about the Soviets... Ike ended up having to stop his premature rush to the 'Russian' side of Germany by making him run out of gas 50 miles from the front. That may or may not be enough detail to verify my claim, I don't really care; I know who my grandfather was, I don't want to advertise it more than this.

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:28:55 PM)
I'm not impressed by coffe klatches and such...I really don't care whether or not you can trace your ancestory to pre revolution days....apparently you still don't get it...I am pissed off at the supposition that the right is patriotic and the left seeks to establish a socialist agenda. I am pissed off at the notion that having legitimate political differences results in one side declaring a willingness to tear asunder the very Union they claim to be patriotic citizens of.

Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:29:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u There is nothing sick or wrong with the form of the gov't. My point is that without spending a good portion of your life studying the legal system, you can't really say this with any authority. All you have to go by is what teachers and authority figures tell you. If you spend any amount of time studying case law, you start to run into situations where you're banging your head against the wall, tears coming out of your eyes, wondering how judges can be so stupid. They're not, of course; many of them are among the most perceptive and sophisticated specimens our country can produce. But they, too, are trapped by case law, in an unbroken chain that runs backwards for centuries. Not today, they are cut loose and fancy free to constructively interpret anyway they want. You can have the best law, your arguments dead on target and you will lose because of form or some silly assed insignificant procedural error because you do not have the opportunity correct and continue the fight. They call it "code" for a reason. It is. a person for instance is any damn thing, look at the word resident in a "good" law dictionary news paper size print 2 columns is 3/8" thick printed on cheap thin 20lb bond paper! Stare Decis has its place and is the body and foundation of the law that yes some of it clearly was set up to prejudice but none the less much of it has very solid foundations over many years without need for change. The problem is that its left up to judges not JURY'S! In all cases jury's should have sole discretion to determine both the facts and the law and put the judges in their place to apply the law by sentencing, contempt orders, assisting the tribunal by noting errors in law between the parties or court procedure and otherwise keeping his damn mouth shut. Changes to this law have been patchwork and spit on rusty pipes, and the system is failing. It did not just fail, that is not recent it is abysmal starting with the law dictionaries, its all set up for commerce. Literally the whole damn thing is based in some form of commercial! That and outside of commercial there is no remedy because that now leans moral and gets to close to religious organizations. I can go on and on about syntax terrorism perpetrated by the bar fly attorneys association against the people of this nation and frankly the world at large. It's got some life left in it, to be sure, but the clock is ticking. And the reason isn't that the laws are incorrect, or unjustified; it's that it is just too much for any one human to take in. Yet, humans are running the system. And every year, the leaks are getting worse, police and legal entities are getting more frustrated, and our jails are getting bigger. *Our jails have more than five times* the world average of inmates, going by percent of population. When released, convicts have a threadbare support system; and we treat them like societal lepers. The return rate is phenomenal. Fucking RUSSIANS think we've got a brutal and inhumane legal system. That doesn't bother you? Yep!!! we have more people in jail than the evil russian commies. As I have proven with the dunn and bradd street listings of all the courts for profit ein numbers and the CRIS report proving that government creating** controversy is very profitable! I should add, nice countries think we've really got a brutal and inhumane legal system. Swedes. Canadians. Irish. Hell, Germans think we're a nation of sadomasochists when it comes to our penal system. its all about the money hunny! WE pay for the court house WE pay the fucking salaries WE pay for their retirements from our TAXES NOOOOOOO thats not good enough! THEY make a fucking enterprizing business out of it by monetizing everything from parking tickets, you name it if it can go through a court (BANK) it get monetized clipped together as derivatives and sent up to wall street for trading!!! The more paper they move the more they make! Thats the real reason we get such shit legislation and congress not reading bills etc etc it a trillion dollar cash cow! meet - (CRIS) COURT REGISTRY INVESTMENT SYSTEM

Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:35:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I'm not impressed by coffe klatches and such...I really don't care whether or not you can trace your ancestory to pre revolution days....apparently you still don't get it...I am pissed off at the supposition that the right is patriotic and the left seeks to establish a socialist agenda. I am pissed off at the notion that having legitimate political differences results in one side declaring a willingness to tear asunder the very Union they claim to be patriotic citizens of. The union is not the problem the BAR is. They took over the legal system! They are not supposed even be capable of bringing you into an admin court as a defendant. They were set up so YOU could easily bring in complaints about them to their superiors, but over the years they turned it all around! (and where there is a "turn-on-me" and a buck to be made why the hell tell you?)

DMFParadox -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:37:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u There is nothing sick or wrong with the form of the gov't. My point is that without spending a good portion of your life studying the legal system, you can't really say this with any authority. All you have to go by is what teachers and authority figures tell you. If you spend any amount of time studying case law, you start to run into situations where you're banging your head against the wall, tears coming out of your eyes, wondering how judges can be so stupid. They're not, of course; many of them are among the most perceptive and sophisticated specimens our country can produce. But they, too, are trapped by case law, in an unbroken chain that runs backwards for centuries. Not today, they are cut loose and fancy free to constructively interpret anyway they want. You can have the best law, your arguments dead on target and you will lose because of form or some silly assed insignificant procedural error because you do not have the opportunity correct and continue the fight. They call it "code" for a reason. It is. a person for instance is any damn thing, look at the word resident in a "good" law dictionary news paper size print 2 columns is 3/8" thick printed on cheap thin 20lb bond paper! Stare Decis has its place and is the body and foundation of the law that yes some of it clearly was set up to prejudice but none the less much of it has very solid foundations over many years without need for change. The problem is that its left up to judges not JURY'S! In all cases jury's should have sole discretion to determine both the facts and the law and put the judges in their place to apply the law by sentencing, contempt orders, assisting the tribunal by noting errors in law between the parties or court procedure and otherwise keeping his damn mouth shut. Changes to this law have been patchwork and spit on rusty pipes, and the system is failing. It did not just fail, that is not recent it is abysmal starting with the law dictionaries, its all set up for commerce. Literally the whole damn thing is based in some form of commercial! That and outside of commercial there is no remedy because that now leans moral and gets to close to religious organizations. I can go on and on about syntax terrorism perpetrated by the bar fly attorneys association against the people of this nation and frankly the world at large. It's got some life left in it, to be sure, but the clock is ticking. And the reason isn't that the laws are incorrect, or unjustified; it's that it is just too much for any one human to take in. Yet, humans are running the system. And every year, the leaks are getting worse, police and legal entities are getting more frustrated, and our jails are getting bigger. *Our jails have more than five times* the world average of inmates, going by percent of population. When released, convicts have a threadbare support system; and we treat them like societal lepers. The return rate is phenomenal. Fucking RUSSIANS think we've got a brutal and inhumane legal system. That doesn't bother you? Yep!!! we have more people in jail than the evil russian commies. As I have proven with the dunn and bradd street listings of all the courts for profit ein numbers and the CRIS report proving that government creating** controversy is very profitable! I should add, nice countries think we've really got a brutal and inhumane legal system. Swedes. Canadians. Irish. Hell, Germans think we're a nation of sadomasochists when it comes to our penal system. its all about the money hunny! WE pay for the court house WE pay the fucking salaries WE pay for their retirements from our TAXES NOOOOOOO thats not good enough! THEY make a fucking enterprizing business out of it by monetizing everything from parking tickets, you name it if it can go through a court (BANK) it get monetized clipped together as derivatives and sent up to wall street for trading!!! The more paper they move the more they make! Thats the real reason we get such shit legislation and congress not reading bills etc etc it a trillion dollar cash cow! meet - (CRIS) COURT REGISTRY INVESTMENT SYSTEM Everything this guy just said. You want reasons for armed insurrection, here they are. Honestly, the biggest reason against armed revolution -- besides all the death and mayhem, that would be bad -- is that it would fail. Not that it's unjustified. This is not the country our founders envisioned. But I personally have faith that we can correct this course, if we start looking at the real problem here: code bloat. Start demanding leaner, better laws, people. Oh, and really - fuck the RIAA. Sideways with rusty wrenches.

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:42:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox Auschwits was on the polish side of things if I recall, but Old Dad lead a strike team into it on Patton's orders. Patton tended to piss people off, he was very unpolitical about the Soviets... Ike ended up having to stop his premature rush to the 'Russian' side of Germany by making him run out of gas 50 miles from the front. That may or may not be enough detail to verify my claim, I don't really care; I know who my grandfather was, I don't want to advertise it more than this. Pattons "rush to the "Russian" side of Germany" was an attempt to liberate his son in law(John Waters) from a prisoner of war camp.He endangered serviceman's lives on an ill-advised"raid" deep behind enemy lines for personal family motivations. Ike needed to remind him that 3rd army didn't actually belong to him.

DMFParadox -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:46:14 PM)
One interesting example of extreme lawmaking fucking us all: The Community Redevelopment Act, passed during the Clinton Administration. Pretty much most of our issues in the banking sector recently can be traced back to that. The Patriot Act -- I was working at Chase HLD when this passed, so I'm far more familiar with it than I ever wanted to be -- is fucking TOXIC legislation, both from a commercial lending standpoint and a privacy standpoint. I don't give a damn what it's called, anyone who voted for it was unpatriotic. But that's only two examples on the federal scale, of laws passed by Congress; part of the problem is that it's no longer clear to the average citizen where law comes from. NO part of the executive branch should be making law; but 'regulations' are made every day that affect us with severe financial penalties, by government agencies.

Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:46:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Reading bills etc etc it a trillion dollar cash cow! meet - (CRIS) COURT REGISTRY INVESTMENT SYSTEM Everything this guy just said. You want reasons for armed insurrection, here they are. Honestly, the biggest reason against armed revolution -- besides all the death and mayhem, that would be bad -- is that it would fail. Not that it's unjustified. This is not the country our founders envisioned. But I personally have faith that we can correct this course, if we start looking at the real problem here: code bloat. Start demanding leaner, better laws, people. Oh, and really - fuck the RIAA. Sideways with rusty wrenches. really check out that CRIS report! Here just for shits and giggles k... This is how they deceive you. If you think you can read the code (statutes) and understand them you already lost. They appear to use every day language right? Here is how they FUCK YOU! Taxes will be imposed on the purchase of fruit. Oh crap gotta pay taxes on fruit. then you find the words and phrases and definitions only to discover: "fruit" as used in this act means pears. Meanwhile for the last 20 years you added your taxes up paying for everything classified as fruit. The legal system is nothing more than a senseless mind fuck today to generate profits. oh and btw after 3 years overpayment is considered a GIFT! Thank you stoopid tax payer!

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:47:46 PM)
You do realise that by dint of echoing any post at all of RealOnes's you shred any hope at all of being taken seriously( by the vast majority of posters). Sorry,but he is a certifiable loon.....most of us( I know I have) have simply stopped reading his crazy shit.

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:49:18 PM)
Oh good god..................its late,goodnight all,please don't hold the revolution while I sleep !

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