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DMFParadox -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:50:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

Auschwits was on the polish side of things if I recall, but Old Dad lead a strike team into it on Patton's orders. Patton tended to piss people off, he was very unpolitical about the Soviets... Ike ended up having to stop his premature rush to the 'Russian' side of Germany by making him run out of gas 50 miles from the front.

That may or may not be enough detail to verify my claim, I don't really care; I know who my grandfather was, I don't want to advertise it more than this.

Pattons "rush to the "Russian" side of Germany" was an attempt to liberate his son in law(John Waters) from a prisoner of war camp.He endangered serviceman's lives on an  ill-advised"raid" deep behind enemy lines for personal family motivations.
Ike needed to remind him that 3rd army didn't actually belong to him.


I'd heard that, but I'm not sure I believe it. Pretty much the consensus in my family was that Patton wanted to keep going because he was convinced we'd win, and that it was far better for us to manage that real estate than it was for the Soviets to. I have no idea personally, but that's the version I was always told.




Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:54:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You do realise that by dint of echoing any post at all of RealOnes's you shred any hope at all of being taken seriously( by the vast majority of posters).
Sorry,but he is a certifiable loon.....most of us( I know I have) have simply stopped reading his crazy shit.


Mike, turn your radio on!

People in government are desparately trying to send you a message!

First bush claiming that the constitution was nothing more than god damned piece of paper witnessed and verified by several sources,

and now the crotch salute

tun in to wgov on your fm dial.

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/crotchsaluteclip_image001.jpg[/image]


can you tel us why that flag does NOT have gold fringe on it and the strips are pointing down?

Hey sleep well man!






DMFParadox -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:56:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You do realise that by dint of echoing any post at all of RealOnes's you shred any hope at all of being taken seriously( by the vast majority of posters).
Sorry,but he is a certifiable loon.....most of us( I know I have) have simply stopped reading his crazy shit.


Not having seen much of his posts, I don't have a history to judge by.

He may be a loon most of the time, or may not; frankly, coming from you I question that assessment, but I'm openminded and evenhanded about idiots calling other idiots what they are. Doesn't make anyone involved less of an idiot, really.

However, that said, going by that one post he was almost right on the money. And my quibbles with his post aren't worth bothering over, because the meat of it is sound.




DMFParadox -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 9:57:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You do realise that by dint of echoing any post at all of RealOnes's you shred any hope at all of being taken seriously( by the vast majority of posters).
Sorry,but he is a certifiable loon.....most of us( I know I have) have simply stopped reading his crazy shit.


Mike, turn your radio on!

People in government are desparately trying to send you a message!

First bush claiming that the constitution was nothing more than god damned piece of paper witnessed and verified by several sources,

and now the crotch salute

tun in to wgov on your fm dial.

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/crotchsaluteclip_image001.jpg[/image]

sleep well man!



Dude, do not embarrass me right after I defended you. Who gives a shit about where his hands are, srsly




Icarys -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 10:03:13 PM)

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please don't hold the revolution while I sleep !

You snooze, you lose. Don't bring a pillow to a gunfight. Yada Yada.[:D]




FirmhandKY -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 10:05:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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please don't hold the revolution while I sleep !

You snooze, you lose. Don't bring a pillow to a gunfight. Yada Yada.[:D]



Quick!  Dig the AK-47 up out of the backyard!

Firm




Icarys -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 10:14:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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please don't hold the revolution while I sleep !

You snooze, you lose. Don't bring a pillow to a gunfight. Yada Yada.[:D]



Quick!  Dig the AK-47 up out of the backyard!

Firm


You ready!?!?[:D]




Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 10:27:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox
Dude, do not embarrass me right after I defended you. Who gives a shit about where his hands are, srsly


thanks but you would be wise to take his advice because I am very much loved here.

Especially when I start quoting law, congressional records, etc etc etc

I am the loon because they think CJS and AmJur quotes come from conspiracy fringe sites LOL

I support most stuff I post with supporting documentation if its handy.

Lots of good STUFF!


A Mockery of Justice—The Great Sedition Trial of 1944


CRIS REPORT







DomYngBlk -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:05:24 AM)

No matter about your bullshit. The person in question should still be brought up on sedition charges and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.




Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:08:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

Auschwits was on the polish side of things if I recall, but Old Dad lead a strike team into it on Patton's orders. Patton tended to piss people off, he was very unpolitical about the Soviets... Ike ended up having to stop his premature rush to the 'Russian' side of Germany by making him run out of gas 50 miles from the front.

That may or may not be enough detail to verify my claim, I don't really care; I know who my grandfather was, I don't want to advertise it more than this.

Pattons "rush to the "Russian" side of Germany" was an attempt to liberate his son in law(John Waters) from a prisoner of war camp.He endangered serviceman's lives on an  ill-advised"raid" deep behind enemy lines for personal family motivations.
Ike needed to remind him that 3rd army didn't actually belong to him.


I'd heard that, but I'm not sure I believe it. Pretty much the consensus in my family was that Patton wanted to keep going because he was convinced we'd win, and that it was far better for us to manage that real estate than it was for the Soviets to. I have no idea personally, but that's the version I was always told.


It's a popular version, but it's probably a load of crap. If Patton was half the military leader he's generally claimed to be, he'd have known that taking on Russia at that point in history was begging for a good hiding, after all.




Owner59 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:15:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You do realise that by dint of echoing any post at all of RealOnes's you shred any hope at all of being taken seriously( by the vast majority of posters).
Sorry,but he is a certifiable loon.....most of us( I know I have) have simply stopped reading his crazy shit.


Not having seen much of his posts, I don't have a history to judge by.

He may be a loon most of the time, or may not; frankly, coming from you I question that assessment, but I'm openminded and evenhanded about idiots calling other idiots what they are. Doesn't make anyone involved less of an idiot, really.

However, that said, going by that one post he was almost right on the money. And my quibbles with his post aren't worth bothering over, because the meat of it is sound.


Take the advice.




Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:24:05 AM)

On what charge?  Freedom of political speech?  Passing on the mood of the people?  Exposing the disconnect?  Taxation without representation? 

Bodies in office do not equal representation.


I know preemptive government strike against Americans?

Do you have even a remote understanding of the CRIS report and ramifications thereof?


CRIS REPORT


Why would a people of an allegedly free country ever pull armed revolt off the table when doing such a thing is contrary to freedom?

Now I am a peaceful sort of guy and I believe in duking it out in the courts, in fact I believe in duking it out before it gets to court and I freely pass the information around showing the problems and what needs to be changed such as the court system and you call that bullshit huh?

What crime did he commit?  What injury was caused?  Who was violated? 

The crime of freespeech?




Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:27:45 AM)

Just out of interest, were you blathering about the urgent need for armed revolt when it was an unelected Republican (rather than a Democrat from Kenya) shitting all over the constitution?




Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:34:49 AM)

1) only people from the UK blather.

2) I see no reason for armed revolt

Then or now.

Most of what the government does is because face it americans are idiots and they can get away with it.

Just like the quote in the 67 conressional report where they know the 14th amendment is a fraud and wil not do anything about it because the american people wont make them do it.

On the record.

So the question becomes what do they mean by make?

Do you feel the government has the authority to force services onto the people at the end of a barrel of THEIR gun?  (taxes for services never used or wanted)  Set up as ad valorem to get around property law and the 5th amendment?










Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:40:07 AM)

Anybody who talks meaningless nonsense blathers.
You blather a lot.
Sorry old boy, but that's the way it works.




Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:42:47 AM)

yeh its like discussing radiation with someone who does not know what an atom is.




DomYngBlk -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 5:47:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

On what charge?  Freedom of political speech?  Passing on the mood of the people?  Exposing the disconnect?  Taxation without representation? 

Bodies in office do not equal representation.


I know preemptive government strike against Americans?

Do you have even a remote understanding of the CRIS report and ramifications thereof?


CRIS REPORT


Why would a people of an allegedly free country ever pull armed revolt off the table when doing such a thing is contrary to freedom?

Now I am a peaceful sort of guy and I believe in duking it out in the courts, in fact I believe in duking it out before it gets to court and I freely pass the information around showing the problems and what needs to be changed such as the court system and you call that bullshit huh?

What crime did he commit?  What injury was caused?  Who was violated? 

The crime of freespeech?


Read Above....Sedition!




Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 6:17:50 AM)

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west law:

  Law Encyclopedia: Sedition Top Home > Library > Law & Legal Issues > Law Encyclopedia This entry contains information applicable to United States law only.

A revolt or an incitement to revolt against established authority, usually in the form of treason or defamation against government.
Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the First Amendment, prosecutions for sedition are rare.
Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (1948), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy, and 18 U.S.C.A. § 2385 (1948), which outlaws advocating the overthrow of the federal government by force.

Generally, a person may be punished for sedition only when he or she makes statements that create a clear and present danger to rights that the government may lawfully protect (Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).
The crime of seditious conspiracy is committed when two or more persons in any state or U.S. territory conspire to levy war against the U.S. government. A person commits the crime of advocating the violent overthrow of the federal government when she willfully advocates or teaches the overthrow of the government by force, publishes material that advocates the overthrow of the government by force, or organizes persons to overthrow the government by force. A person found guilty of seditious conspiracy or advocating the overthrow of the government may be fined and sentenced to up to twenty years in prison. States also maintain laws that punish similar advocacy and conspiracy against the state government.
Governments have made sedition illegal since time immemorial. The precise acts that constitute sedition have varied. In the United States, Congress in the late eighteenth century believed that government should be protected from "false, scandalous and malicious" criticisms.

Toward this end, Congress passed the Sedition Act of 1798, which authorized the criminal prosecution of persons who wrote or spoke falsehoods about the government, Congress, the president, or the vice president. The act was to expire with the term of President John Adams.

The Sedition Act failed miserably. Thomas Jefferson opposed the act, and after he was narrowly elected president in 1800, public opposition to the act grew. The act expired in 1801, but not before it was used by President Adams to prosecute numerous public supporters of Jefferson, his challenger in the presidential election of 1800. One writer, Matthew Lyon, a congressman from Vermont, was found guilty of seditious libel for stating, in part, that he would not be the "humble advocate" of the Adams administration when he saw "every consideration of the public welfare swallowed up in a continual grasp for power, in an unbounded thirst for ridiculous pomp, foolish adulation, and selfish avarice" (Lyon's Case, 15 F. Cas. 1183 [D. Vermont 1798] [No. 8646]). Vermont voters reelected Lyon while he was in jail. Jefferson, after winning the election and assuming office, pardoned all persons convicted under the act.
In the 1820s and 1830s, as the movement to abolish slavery grew in size and force in the South, Southern states began to enact seditious libel laws. Most of these laws were used to prosecute persons critical of slavery, and they were abolished after the Civil War. The federal government was no less defensive; Congress enacted seditious conspiracy laws before the Civil War aimed at persons advocating secession from the United States. These laws were the precursors to the present-day federal seditious conspiracy statute.
In the late nineteenth century, Congress and states began to enact new limits on speech, most notably statutes prohibiting obscenity. At the outset of World War I,

Congress passed legislation designed to suppress antiwar speech. The Espionage Act of 1917 (ch. 30, tit. 1, § 3, 40 Stat. 219), as amended by ch. 75, § 1, 40 Stat 553, put a number of pacificists into prison. Socialist leader Eugene V. Debs was convicted for making an antiwar speech in Canton, Ohio (Debs v. United States, 249 U.S. 211, 39 S. Ct. 252, 63 L. Ed. 566 [1919]). Charles T. Schenck and Elizabeth Baer were convicted for circulating to military recruits a leaflet that advocated opposition to the draft and suggested that the draft violated the Thirteenth Amendment's ban on involuntary servitude (Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).
The U.S. Supreme Court did little to protect the right to criticize the government until after 1927. That year, Justice Louis D. Brandeis wrote an influential concurring opinion in Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357, 47 S. Ct. 641, 71 L. Ed. 1095 (1927), that was to guide First Amendment jurisprudence for years to come. In Whitney the High Court upheld the convictions of political activists for violation of federal anti-syndicalism laws, or laws that prohibit the teaching of crime. In his concurring opinion, Brandeis maintained that even if a person advocates violation of the law, "it is not a justification for denying free speech where the advocacy falls short of incitement and there is nothing to indicate that the advocacy would be immediately acted on." Beginning in the 1930s, the Court became more protective of political free speech rights.
Through the 1970s the High Court became more rigorous in its examination of statutes and prosecutions targeting sedition. The High Court has protected the speech of racial supremacists and separatists, labor organizers, advocates of racial integration, and opponents of the draft for the war in Vietnam. However, it has refused to declare unconstitutional all sedition statutes and prosecutions. In 1940, to silence radicals and quell Nazi or communist subversion during the burgeoning Second World War, Congress enacted the Smith Act (18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2385, 2387), which outlawed sedition and seditious conspiracy. The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the act in Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494, 71 S. Ct. 857, 95 L. Ed. 1137 (1951).
Sedition prosecutions are extremely rare, but they do occur. Shortly after the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City, the federal government prosecuted Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a blind Egyptian cleric living in New Jersey, and nine codefendants on charges of seditious conspiracy. Rahman and the other defendants were convicted of violating the seditious conspiracy statute by engaging in an extensive plot to wage a war of terrorism against the United States. With the exception of Rahman, they all were arrested while mixing explosives in a garage in Queens, New York, on June 24, 1993.
The defendants committed no overt acts of war, but all were found to have taken substantial steps toward carrying out a plot to levy war against the United States. The government did not have sufficient evidence that Rahman participated in the actual plotting against the government or any other activities to prepare for terrorism. He was instead prosecuted for providing religious encouragement to his coconspirators. Rahman argued that he only performed the function of a cleric and advised followers about the rules of Islam. He and the others were convicted, and on January 17, 1996, Rahman was sentenced to life imprisonment by Judge Michael Mukasey.



How does that square up with this?


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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America [image]http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/images/w.gif[/image]hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

— Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world



Seems we have a FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE!





mnottertail -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 6:23:27 AM)

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0:
can you tel us why that flag does NOT have gold fringe on it and the strips are pointing down?


Entire field of plausible answers:

a). Because the day after day,  thread after thread, page after page of horseshit you spew continuously out here is no more than the ravings of a madman?   

b). Obama was conducting an amnesty ceremony, in which he gave everyone a pass on their traffic tickets?


Hmmmmmmmmmmm.........I will go with option a?




Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 6:26:37 AM)

as always with your posts the correct answer is option C)  west law:

  Law Encyclopedia: Sedition Top Home > Library > Law & Legal Issues > Law Encyclopedia

I go with option C


oh the flag, well show me the official code for it.

The US flag only has 3 colors, gold is a 4th and fringe is not trim.

So you advocate counterfeit flags by use of the US governent?




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