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Take down scenes??? - 10/22/2010 10:48:00 PM   
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Can someone explain to me exactly what they are? How the submissive is suppose to act? my Master says to fight...but I don't really understand fully what it is...

If there are any Doms who do it, is there any advice you could give to me to make sure it goes well?
Any subs...what are some advice you have for me in general?

I just have to do one at a stupid kinky halloween party tomorrow. my Master is pushing me extremely, I am very nervous to do this...kinda freaking out. He loves to make me nervous. LOVES it...... there goes His sadistic side coming out, yet again. Ug, hate it, but love it. But, any help...pleaseplease would be sooo appreciated beyond belief!
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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 3:56:29 AM   
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A "take down" is like a sexual assault. To roleplay it, you start with sub fully clothed and basically she gets dragged to the floor or bushes etc, man-handled, groped, stripped, maybe some cable ties as makeshift restraints and "assaulted/raped" etc. So yeah, your part in the roleplay would be to fight him off. But since it is mutually consenting roleplay, maybe draw the line at kneeing him in the nuts.

General advice? Absolutely, positively don't do it in public or he's really gonna have some 'splainin' to do to John Law. Of course, if the bastard's been cheating on you.... *wink*

Just sayin'....

And this might be a good one to consider a safeword, btw.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 4:01:44 AM   
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quote:

my Master says to fight...but I don't really understand fully what it is...




he doesn't mean kicking him in the nuts

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 4:12:46 AM   
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I think the nuts are definitely fair game. If he wants it to be real and rough, he better be prepared...

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 4:22:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

I think the nuts are definitely fair game. If he wants it to be real and rough, he better be prepared...



It might be fair..but I still think he doesn't mean that :P....in public.
And it is hard to calculate the reaction on that......might become messy


OP..please make video's for us.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 6:43:39 AM   
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How would you react if it happened in real life? Would you fight back, struggle, scream.
Pretend it's a stranger and do what you would do naturally.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 6:56:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

I think the nuts are definitely fair game. If he wants it to be real and rough, he better be prepared...


I agree - if he wants realistic then surely she would be disobeying him if she pulled her punches?

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 7:25:47 AM   
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ya know...struggle, hit, kick, scream, call him names, punch, pull hair, etc....

Good luck. I know I couldn't do it. I don't fight.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 7:32:33 AM   
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It doesn't sound like he has thought this through. He hasn't said if kneeing him in the nuts is fair game or if not, how the hell she is to fight realistically without doing this. I would suggest they talk this out a lot more or he may be very surprised by what happens.

I do know that here, this is something I can't do. I don't fight, I freeze. So if he sprung this on me, it would consist of him trying to get me out of a fetal position and 'raping' me while I sobbed hysterically. Perhaps if I had a year of martial arts training, I might not freeze up. But in that case I would be aiming to damage him and he had better have equal training to protect himself.

A safeword sounds like the least thing needed considering his lack of explanation and communication.


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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 10:14:00 AM   
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kick scream and yell etc but i dont fight and would know how to especially in a rp situation

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 10:54:53 AM   
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I agree with the consensus here, the nuts are fair game.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 11:25:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

It doesn't sound like he has thought this through. He hasn't said if kneeing him in the nuts is fair game or if not, how the hell she is to fight realistically without doing this. I would suggest they talk this out a lot more or he may be very surprised by what happens.

This is what I was thinking, not particularly well thought out if he hasn't tried to make sure you're on the same page. From the way you phrased your question I wonder if you would even react in the kicking and screaming, struggle way. As opposed to freezing up and not reacting, or being quiet.

And if you do react violently, he didn't exactly say how much is too much did he? So yeah, if he does spring this on you and you react, he gets what he deserves. Communication is paramount to facilitate things going the way we think they should go. I wonder if he's even considered anything but the result he expects?

Good luck to you, and I hope it doesn't wind up as one of those fucked up situations where you don't react just right and wind up in trouble because he didn't give you any information.


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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 11:42:03 AM   
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Well, he has 30+ years of experience in this. And, i'm just a planner. He explains and communicates very well. I am seeing him before W/we go so I am sure He explain more. Aways does, but this helps because now I know what questions to ask. So thank you soooo much guys it really helped!

He said fight... He's the kind of guy who knows if He tells me somthing I will do it. I will kick Him in the nuts, pull his hair... hit... scratch dig my nails in him...it's up to Him to find a way to restrain me and pull me down. I know He knows thats fair game, lol. But this really helped.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 12:22:30 PM   
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Buy a can of Mace beforehand.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 12:23:29 PM   
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Agreeing with other posters, I wouldn't do this in public, and definitely not your first time with this type of scene. It's fun to have room for spontaneity and no fun if it's 100% scripted, but there should be general rules and a safe word. For me, I don't like my arms bound above my head, I cannot be tickled, I wouldn't want anyone else involved in the scene, and chances are my face will be in a pillow or gagged with my panties so I can say my safeword OR tap out with three hard measured kicks (or three raps on the headboard, but again, my arms would probably be behind my back).
I do enjoy 'forced' roleplay and I tend to space out. He knows my pain tolerances and physical limits pretty well, so if this happens he is in charge of stopping when it's too much. This takes practice and experience with a partner to do.
After this kind of scene I need to be wrapped in a blanket, told how much he cares about me, given a glass of water, and left the fuck alone until I get up for a snack. Please make sure he's prepared to give whatever aftercare you need. It might seem hotter to walk away and leave you dirty and used on the floor in a public scene, but if you need any kind of aftercare that should be non-negotiable.

ETA: He always manages to overpower me before I get a chance to kick him in the balls...but it is fair game.


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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 12:55:57 PM   
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take down scenes have been known to be called a number of other things... Primal play, Resistence play just to name a couple. In the end for the most part they are all basically the same thing. I have quoted a few things that I have posted in the past that can maybe provide you alitte insight. if you have any specific questions ... just ask..

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Primal play is very much a significant part of my play. I personally take great pleasure from the free flowing and uninhibited responses that such play generates from my play partners. The people I Top are encouraged to allow themselves to be free and uninhibited in their behaviors and reactions to the things that occur in the scene. It has been my experience that those I play with and those I have observed are under an expectation to maintain control of them selves and behave appropriately in all given situations. These expectations can over time lead to a buildup of stress and this requires a constructive outlet for release. One manner to release this stress that I provide my girls is the primal play. My girls have one rule in play..."They have no rules" I very specifically instruct my girls to avoid any thoughtful consideration of how they want or should behave. If they think it, They DO IT! It is my pleasure in play to enforce and control their behaviors. I will seek the means and methods to inhibit their behaviors and reactions that I choose. I will also encourage and incite the behaviors and reactions that I enjoy. I personally find an intense pleasure by dominating and enforcing control within a scene. In effect their behaviors and reactions often appear to be chaotic and radical, but yet I effect control upon them and harness the energy they produce and focus it in the manner I choose. For my girls there is a sense of empowerment and freedom within the play that we do. The play tends to provide a catalyst for achieving and maintaining the level of behaviors that I expect of them in their daily activities.

For some this play is rather shocking and disturbing to watch. A bottom fighting back for many could be a warning flag of concern to the consensual nature of the play at hand. For many Tops a bottom fighting back can give them the appearance that consent is being revoked and are unable to continue to play as result. It is indeed important that those participating in the play have clear understanding of the nature of primal play. It is important to understand how such play can or will be stopped. One should understand the risks associated with this kind of play. I personally have been dropped to the floor, kicked, punched, bit, scratched and even took a knee into the groin. A bottom that fights back will feel the force of the Top against their resistance. A Top will use equal force to the bottom’s resistance, plus one. This “plus one” is the appropriate force to bring submission and break the resistance. For the bottom, there is always the risk that this “plus One” will be more than they can tolerate and the extra force could be sufficient to cause more than immediate submission in the scene, but a lasting negative impact outside the scene. For the Top, you will always run the risk that the bottom’s resistance will be greater than the force you are willing to exert to bring enforced submission. As a Top that plays a lot in Primal play, I protect against these risk with one factor and one factor alone… Keep my girls free of harm. If I am unsure that my girl can take the “plus one” to bring enforced submission, I will end the play. If I am unsure of my ability to use “plus one” to enforce submission, I will end the play. The point of primal play is not to see who wins… but to have fun free of Harm!

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A very beautiful dance for those that have the desire and courage to get on the dance floor. But, it is the realization of Personal Empowerment that occurs that has allowed me to move beyond the popular Power Exchange label to a Power Enhancement Play. I don't see the play as an exchange. We both exert effort and contribute to a create an energy in the play from our own individual power or energy. It is our individual energy expended that makes us feel consumed or drained from the play. But, it this melding of individual power that we feed from and makes us feel Empowered and Enhanced from the scene. In fact, I think both Top and bottom... or more specifically Sadist and Masochist both feed off the energy that they create together. Even those not directly in the play can contribute to this energy and even feed from it.

I personally have a negative view/definition of Energy Vampires. They suck the energy... but they contribute none of their own to create the energy in the first place. I would also add that I don't see the beast as a bad or evil aspect of my sadism. I do have a beast... but this beast is neither good or bad... it's just the very instinctive primal aspect of my human existence.


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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 1:02:06 PM   
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quote:

General advice? Absolutely, positively don't do it in public or he's really gonna have some 'splainin' to do to John Law. Of course, if the bastard's been cheating on you.... *wink*




Well.. this is advice I wouldn't follow... and have not followed.... done it in public many times.... in fact... it might in some situations wiser to do so in a public play rather than in a private scene.

General advice.... don't limit yourself to the limitations of others. If your a eagle... soar like one instead of walking around like a turkey.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 1:03:19 PM   
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quote:

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He said fight... He's the kind of guy who knows if He tells me somthing I will do it. I will kick Him in the nuts, pull his hair... hit... scratch dig my nails in him...it's up to Him to find a way to restrain me and pull me down. I know He knows thats fair game, lol. But this really helped.



are you trying to turn me on???

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 1:09:07 PM   
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I think of take down scenes as playfighting/sparring for martial arts. I discuss boundaries ahead of time (can I go full force or not, any off-limits areas, does he want me to struggle or actively fight back, etc.). Sometimes it can go with a playrape scene, other times, it is fun to do on its own. You can do wrestling/struggling only rather than any hitting or kicking, especially if you aren't sure how much to "pull" your blows.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 1:29:33 PM   
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Knightsofmists - thank you for all that information. Very informative.


And, He just emailed me back. But, i have total trust in Him... said not sure he will do it... but i am sure we will. He said it's not my concern if i hurt him, that's his.
Guess I will just see what happens and try to let it flow naturally.

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