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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:00:46 PM

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That hardly seems necessary...

your right hardly necessary... but enjoyable non the less......

as far as your apology... Also not necessary... but I hope you got from it what you wanted.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:01:19 PM

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Good point, I hadn't considered the noise factor...
At B's I can't really scream. In a public space, I'd imagine this is different.

eta: Just bein' polite. It makes me feel more refined by comparison.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:01:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I just don't get the public aspect of it.

For me, playing in public (read public play party) is fun because if the energy of the space and the people there is just right it adds to the play. I remember once someone came up to me and apologized for laughing during our play, but for me her enjoyment added to it. Our play tends to be really fun, although to some it may appear brutal and vicious, we really enjoy ourselves.

There are other times that the space distracts me from the play, but that is rare. I get something out of engaging in an activity where other people who also enjoy that activity are there and we are all having fun together. When people are doing it for there own personal enjoyment it adds to the experience. When people are doing it to show off or for shock value then it detracts from the experience for me.

For some people playing at a public play party is fun and for other's it isn't.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:05:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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General advice? Absolutely, positively don't do it in public or he's really gonna have some 'splainin' to do to John Law. Of course, if the bastard's been cheating on you.... *wink*

I don't think he was referring to a public dungeon but in public, like a park or the mall.

However I do object to your use of the term "courage" to refer to a bottom who does this. Some of us simply aren't wired for it. In general, when confronted with danger there are three main responses: fight, flight, or freeze. If her primal response is flight and she runs out of the club, does that mean she's a coward or is that her authentic primal response and therefore as courageous as someone else whose primal response is flight?

Well.. this is advice I wouldn't follow... and have not followed.... done it in public many times.... in fact... it might in some situations wiser to do so in a public play rather than in a private scene.

General advice.... don't limit yourself to the limitations of others. If your a eagle... soar like one instead of walking around like a turkey.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:09:09 PM

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Ok, won't walk around like a turkey... Lol Master would slap that out of me anyways, lol.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:13:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: switch2please

Good point, I hadn't considered the noise factor...
At B's I can't really scream. In a public space, I'd imagine this is different.

alot different actually.... but some just don't like to go to that night club... that doesn't mean they can't dance.... some dance rather nicely privately!.... a preference thing.... I kinda like people doing what is good (whih can be a rather subject thing in of itself) for them.... and not what people say the should or shouldn't do, which seems to be the case in a few places in this thread.

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eta: Just bein' polite. It makes me feel more refined by comparison.

polite is good.... If it's motivate from a geniune place.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:24:11 PM

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I have only done a take down scene when my sub actually needed to be taken down. Essentially it is a humbling, and it is very much the Dom's show. The Dom has to provoke rebellion from the sub, and then crush it.

I have never requested a take down scene from a sub, although I do, on occasion, greatly enjoy them. If I need one I will push, until she rebels and can be taken down. I assume your Dom knows how to push your buttons and get you riled up.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:27:28 PM

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However I do object to your use of the term "courage" to refer to a bottom who does this. Some of us simply aren't wired for it. In general, when confronted with danger there are three main responses: fight, flight, or freeze. If her primal response is flight and she runs out of the club, does that mean she's a coward or is that her authentic primal response and therefore as courageous as someone else whose primal response is flight?

I will quote what I actually stated

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A very beautiful dance for those that have the desire and courage to get on the dance floor

which if actually read in context means that a person that Has the desire needs the courage to it. If some are not wired for it... then to me this indicates rather clearly they will not have that desire to do so.

secondly... response is a reactive... which means that she had the courage to get out there.. and will she went out there because she had some desire to do so. The response is not reflective of courage or lack of courage... it's the effort to try and fulfilll the desire.

You seem to be equate courage as the result of fighting back tooth and nail... maybe taking some blood along the way..... I don't see this as courage... this is only a skill that can be developed with time. but without the courage to realize the desire there will never be any result.

I think some devalue themselves by there preconcieved belief of how well they will dance... and as such they undermind their courage and hold back on realizing the desire. but if one doesn't want to dance... the courage neccessary to try is rather irrelevant.

if the desire is there... then I hope they have the courage to try... and well practice does make perfect!... so practice lots... myself... I am not perfect yet... so I keep trying.... funny thing is.... I really hope I don't get perfect.... it seems to me that the fun wouldn't be the same

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:38:22 PM

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I also want to be clear that, for me, a take down is different from rape roleplay or resistance play. It may involve aspects of those, but a take down I am not pretending to rape her, I am breaking her will. If she's not begging me to fuck her at the end of the scene she's not getting fucked.

I also enjoy rape play, but the feeling is different.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 5:42:42 PM

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Item 1: so very much NOT into public play of any kind. I don't do at all well in front of an audience, unless I am speaking calmly from a perspective of experience on a subject I know something about. Fortunately for me, my Sir feels the same way, so this is not an issue.

Item 2: I concur with Aileen, with all due loving respect to any survivor who may happen across this post - rape play is hot. This is of course not in any way, shape or form to be confused with actual rape, in which case the perp would be in worse trouble than me, crushed nuts being the least of his theroetical problems; just sayin'. But within the proper context, I do love to be "taken", yanno? And then, oh yes, the beautiful aftercare..

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 6:02:31 PM

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Yes, me too SorceressJ, I am really into rape play. Totally hot, one of my favorite things. Not so much into takedowns though, I would not want to fight to the extent of kicking someone in the nuts or having them punch me or really hurt me, not happening.

Not in the least bit interested in public play so no advice there.

But struggling, resisting, having him overpower me with just his body, arms, legs, hands, holding me down by the hair, yessssssssssss.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/23/2010 8:32:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: Focus50
Fortunately me ole mate KoM didn't qualify his post as "kinky party". Though I'm certain he won't disappoint me when he returns....

Focus.

I guess you find it difficult to follow the context of the OP... next time I will bring the crayons so you can follow along.

Too late, Slick - no sneaking in the back door now!

Let's just say you're right, I found "it difficult to follow the context of the OP" with my original post. You didn't quote the OP, you quoted *my* post - shoulda bagged me on context there!

Lol, where's that leave you in the pecking order!

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/24/2010 9:08:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

Let's just say you're right, I found "it difficult to follow the context of the OP" with my original post. You didn't quote the OP, you quoted *my* post - shoulda bagged me on context there!

Lol, where's that leave you in the pecking order!

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now do I have egg on my face.. here I read your post and assumed you understood the context of the OP and was responding based on that context.... Well... I sure will not make that assumption again.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/24/2010 10:14:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

He hasn't said if kneeing him in the nuts is fair game or if not, how the hell she is to fight realistically without doing this.

I generally don't disagree with you. But, it never had to be mentioned for me to know that the nuts were off limits. Especially since we're doing this have fun, kinky sex. If I knee him in the nuts, it definately won't be fun and there most likely won't be sex.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/24/2010 6:31:15 PM

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Fighting doesn't have to be realistic, and when I *have* gotten in real fights (in the long distant past), it never involved deliberate strikes "below the belt." I think of takedowns as more akin to sparring practice in martial arts - the aim is for people to have fun and nobody to get injured/harmed. Ninevah, even when I get physically overwhelmed, I've never felt like my will was broken. Maybe your partners have a different mindset than I do about it.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/24/2010 8:11:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

Fighting doesn't have to be realistic, and when I *have* gotten in real fights (in the long distant past), it never involved deliberate strikes "below the belt." I think of takedowns as more akin to sparring practice in martial arts - the aim is for people to have fun and nobody to get injured/harmed. Ninevah, even when I get physically overwhelmed, I've never felt like my will was broken. Maybe your partners have a different mindset than I do about it.

Yeah, that's actually kind of the point I was making with my second post. A resistance or rape play scene is different than a take down, for me at least. It may include physical resistance, but it is about the mental and emotional struggle.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/25/2010 2:13:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I read your post and assumed you understood the context of the OP and was responding based on that context....

Then that would mean you were advocating public play where any unknowing stranger could stumble upon proceedings.

Summed that advice up at the time with 4 words:

"Universally, astronomically, exponentially DUMB...!" Something you didn't dispute.

I love the symmetry of geometric shapes - in this case; full circle.

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/25/2010 1:42:33 PM

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Well, I've done things like this before. First when he would start overpowering me, I would struggle & resist and act scared, like "OMG! Help! Help!" like it was real. But then after enough struggling, I would be so hot and ready to submit I'd be begging for it. Then it would be the best and hottest sex ever. I never went for the nuts though, cause I figured there would be no hot sex afterward if I did. lol

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/25/2010 5:35:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

Then that would mean you were advocating public play where any unknowing stranger could stumble upon proceedings.

once again you show you don't understand the context of the OP or what was being stated.... but it's your world and I am sure it works for you .

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RE: Take down scenes??? - 10/25/2010 5:43:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

Fighting doesn't have to be realistic, and when I *have* gotten in real fights (in the long distant past), it never involved deliberate strikes "below the belt." I think of takedowns as more akin to sparring practice in martial arts - the aim is for people to have fun and nobody to get injured/harmed. Ninevah, even when I get physically overwhelmed, I've never felt like my will was broken. Maybe your partners have a different mindset than I do about it.

I guess to define what is realistic... or what is "Real" fights! But in short... I think the intent, objective and context of a fight does much to determine what a person may do. There is a significant difference between "play rape" scene to actual rape. The two are not comparable and in some ways.. I find the term 'play rape' to make light of the issues of rape. I suppose that is why I mostly use the term "Rough Sex" over play rape.

In the end... I see scenes such as take down etc to be about having fun... so what is fun needs to be considered by those choosing to engage in the activities.

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