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RE: Submissives responsibility? - 10/26/2010 1:36:48 PM   
Jaybeee


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ORIGINAL: LovingLoyalPet

I have a question for the Masters in this room.
This question does not stem from anything, it is just my curious mind at work.
What would you feel a woman's responsibility is to her owner and herself?
I would also like to hear from the ladies also.
I appreciate your answers.



Rules for Healthy Living....

1) Do what I say, when I say- or have a damn good explanation ready. If you are unclear, I insist you ask clarification - I will test understanding at random intervals, and if I find that understanding lacking, the consequences won't be pleasant. My likes/dislikes are fairly easily understood but then with time, I expect your understanding to deepen/widen, so get into the habit early of asking ;

2) If I am not satisfied with your explanation above, the simply do what I say;

3) Propose ONE new way to please me, every day. I may not have time to listen to it, in which case you can carry it over. I may not consider it immediately, or implement it at all, I may not even give you a reason why; you are not to take the failure to heart. Retry, daily, with the same zeal as before;

4) Ask me, daily, "What may I do for you, Master?" Again, I may not have anything for you to do, or may not answer you immediately, my silence/hesitation does NOT signify either approval or disapproval.

There's more, but don't assume my incomplete answers are the result of any poor structuring of your question. :)

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RE: Submissives responsibility? - 10/26/2010 2:38:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LovingLoyalPet

I have a question for the Masters in this room.
This question does not stem from anything, it is just my curious mind at work.
What would you feel a woman's responsibility is to her owner and herself? I would also like to hear from the ladies also.
I appreciate your answers.



What would you feel a woman's responsibility is to her owner and herself?

Simple! An intact sense of personal integrity. Doing what she says and mean what she says, while doing all she does from a place of genuine love, respect and willingness to be who she claims to be, a submissive woman that is a responsible adult, capable of relating on a genuine honest level. No lying or manipulating, no pretending or deceiving, vulnerable and willingly giving of herself from a place of a bonded & trusted love, one to another.

Responsibility cannot be forced onto anyone. Instead, responsibility must be accepted by whomever chooses to be responsible. In choosing to be responsible one excludes the requirement of needing to be re-parented.

A submissive woman who is responsible and chooses to relate with myself has not ever been treated in a manner that would reduce her adulthood. I do however expect a responsible adult woman to be capable of demonstrating her ability to relate in a healthy and productive manner. As do I of myself, being a responsible dominant man.

Prior to entering into a relationship there needs to be a time of gaining and building trust while becoming acquainted with one another. During this time of becoming acquainted there are opportunities to discover if there is indeed an intact capacity of responsibility one to another, adult to adult.

If there is not and the remedies presented do not successfully resolve the ensuing issues, then naturally there would be no further need to pursue relating, one to the another. Responsibility is virtually impossible to attain if ones integrity is lacking. One without the other is incomplete and serves to further future issues which will eventually contribute to the downfall of any attempted relating.

Constructive VS Destructive at all times. If one is not apt to being constructive in all they do then at the least one could have the willingness to learn a better way which surely does serve to foster Hope for a brighter future, one to the other in a surer bond of a trusted love.

Take care!

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RE: Submissives responsibility? - 10/30/2010 9:53:02 AM   
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You can also deconstruct things to a baser element, to actually figure out how they work, people do this all the time in technology and mechanics, even if you don't understand how something works, taking it a part can sure bring you one step closer to figuring it out, or learning how to utilize it more fully. In the same way, so could the responsibility question be utilized in a similar fashion if one was adventurous enough to seek it, either that or just curious enough. I do agree that being constructive is more often than not a help, rather than a bane, but...there may be selected times when doing some deconstruction can bring you closer to really building up to the type of person you wish to be, or reinforce what you already are.

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RE: Submissives responsibility? - 10/30/2010 11:07:51 AM   
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I'll post something here that answers a lot of "what should I do?" questions in my mind from "The Joy Project".

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Our first date had gone well. I’d brought her a single, beautiful flower. (Hey, by the time I was 31, I knew a thing or two about seducing women). The two of us had seemed to have so much in common. The same interests (books and politics and spiritual bent); the same musical taste (folk and rock); the same everything. But this time, something went wrong. There was some kind of spat, and she stalked off, leaving me flatfooted there on West 72nd Street in the middle of a Saturday night. I was dumbfounded, and felt somehow jerked around and manipulated, so I just stood there and watched her disappear into the crowd. And I was mad. Sure, maybe she was angry at me about something I had said, but this was no way to handle it. Something inside told me to just let her go. But after 5 minutes of mulling it over, I couldn’t stand the tension; couldn’t leave the fire burning; and I also couldn’t tolerate the feeling of separation, abandonment and rejection. So I went looking for her. Twenty minutes later, distraught and exhausted, I found her. She also looked distraught. We made up. We continued dating, and the dramas continued as well. A few years later we married. Seven years after that, the both of us unable to take it anymore, we divorced. What had I learned? That back on that night of our second date, she had set the tone for the entire relationship. She might as well have handed me a note saying, “Welcome to my world –of abandonment and rejection; of melodrama; of emotional roller coaster rides.” Eight years after my divorce, I met another woman. I’d been wandering the dating desert (though not without the occasional oasis) and had almost given up on women altogether. We went out on our first date, and again I used my whiles. After dinner at the Thai place overlooking 7th Avenue in the Slope, I walked her back to my house. I thought, “This is a piece of cake.” I knew it wouldn’t lead to a serious relationship – she and I had little in common. She wasn’t an intellectual like all my major love affairs. She didn’t speak psychologese. I figured she’d be fun for a month. After I kissed her, something inside told me to invite her into the shower with me, and she complied. And in the shower, something told me to do that which I’d always heard women love, but had never done: I washed her hair. It’s embarrassing, telling you this now. I mean, what kind of man washes a woman’s hair? Well a man who wants to get laid, for one thing! And that was it — in my head I told myself I was just trying to seduce her. We made love that first night, and the way she looked at me, and what I saw in her during those moments just astonished me. “Ok”, I said to myself, lying there on the bed. “Maybe three months.” After the second date, I figured maybe six. I told my shrink of my conflict: I don’t want to hurt this woman, but I can’t stay with her; she’s too different — from me and from all the others. She’s not fulfilling my need for great stimulating conversation, or my need for emotional drama. Indeed, all this woman was doing was making me happy. What should I do? “If your impulse is to be with her, stop worrying and go with it and see what happens,” Ron said. So I did. And Shelley and I have been together now for ten years, and married the past four. And what do I take from this recollection? You mean besides going with my gut this time? Shelley was also handing me a “Welcome to this relationship” note. But by this time, in my fifties, I was ready for easy and wonderful.


This guy's not talking from the perspective of a dom, but for a 50 year old man who'd had trouble finding a woman he could live with. But it still applies.

I like a live wire - but need for when it counts, she knows how to turn it off and just be there. Accepting of the whole. Supportive and pliant. Not going to keep trying to score points on me; that's my part of things. I do, she is.

When I'm meeting someone new, I test for this. I'll be deliberately irrational just to see if she takes this. Then I'll be chill and open to see if she can handle that. Or the reverse. (Surprising how often women can't handle a lack of drama.) If she has a good center, I won't meet resistance either way; one day will just blend into the next without the ride hitting a wall.

So there's your mental responsibility. Just be there for him. Don't create reasons for him to prove things to you. Make it easy for him to be around you. And take the long view.


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RE: Submissives responsibility? - 10/30/2010 12:23:08 PM   
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OK, since you asked the ladies, I'll answer. I think a slave's responsibility to her master is to be responsive to his needs and to who he is, to follow his direction, and to be completely honest with him, even when it is painful to do so.

I think the honesty part is very important, even if he clearly doesn't like what you're saying. You owe someone that you've committed your servitude toward the best, and for me that includes being truthful, at all costs. As much as it can hurt in the moment, I think that in the long run truth really helps.

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RE: Submissives responsibility? - 10/30/2010 2:02:06 PM   
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1. Be
2. Yield
3. Serve

Those pretty much cover every contingency that life can throw at us, either individually or in varying combination. As much as I adore words and protocol, when all the window-dressing is scraped away, that is what is left.

Calla


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RE: Submissives responsibility? - 11/6/2010 11:40:27 PM   
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Carol's responsibility to herself and me both is to obey... period.

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I didn't so much "enslave" Carol as I did "enlove" her. - Me
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RE: Submissives responsibility? - 11/8/2010 3:26:14 AM   
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Fast reply~

Be obedient, pleasing, and honest, as others have said. However i would add on to honest: Honestly open to my Owner at all times and honest to the relationship. Meaning that if i have a rule to be naked and cuffed all day, i do so. It seems like sometimes subs/slaves/whatever can find a particular directive difficult and because it's something they could technically get away with not doing... welllll then maybe they skip that little piece... or maybe they weren't supposed to eat chocolate, but i mean like really does one or two small pieces count?? If He said be naked and cuffed all day and maybe i think it's kind of a pain to type that way then like if i do it for saaaay half the day... does He/She really need to know?? Or if this one thing He/She said kinda hurt my feelings, is it really important enough to mention?

i hope what i'm conveying is that honesty doesn't just mean honest as in didn't directly lie, but also means honest to the relationship. It's that whole thing of which ever side of the kneel you are on, you have a responsibility to the relationship.

As a side note... my Owner would consider most of those things, whether directly lied about or not, a lie... Omissions count!:)
~ownedbyPF

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