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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 3:34:36 PM   
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You really are just dumb.

He's not dumb, he's just trolling and pushing buttons.  Don't waste your time.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 3:59:16 PM   
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So only white people can be racist?  You agree with that position?

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No I do not agree with that assertion; however unlike many here (not necessarily you in particular) I try not to read between the lines.  Nor do I try to ascribe meanings to a sentence, other than the words contained there-in.  I get the feeling if you and I were to meet for drinks we'd manage to find the "compromise" that lies between our positions.

You strike me as the kind of conservative that starts with the question of "How much government do we want?" ; whereas I begin with the question of "What kind of society do we want?".   I know between these two questions lies a compromise that if we were willing to sit and discuss rationally, we could find. 

Of course neither you or I have a shit load of lobbyists waiting out side our door, nor are we facing election, or re-election. 

Politically,
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P.S. I would hope that you like me do not view compromise as "date rape" as one conservative once put it.


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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 4:03:38 PM   
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I have been following this thread with a little bit of interest.  What fascinates me about the OP is the way it is just "assumed" everyone should understand, welcome, support and stand behind liberal views when that just isn't the case, no matter how much logic you think you're applying, or how you discount or berate people who do, in fact, disagree with the viewpoint.  While I usually take the liberal stance on matters.  I find this "I don't understand how people cannot agree with it" attitude a bit overbearing.  While I can certainly agree with liberal mindedness, I wouldn't for a moment assume that everyone agreed with it...anymore that I would want anyone to assume that it would be assinine for me to disagree to be conservative.

Different strokes for different folks.  Forcing them...playing condescending word games with them, won't change anyone's POV and may just plant them firmly where they are right now. 



It is not liberal views that are asinine, it is the lack of understanding of the unintended consequences. Despite years of evidence and the trends in the reversal of European socialism, US liberals seemed happy to rush headlong into the same obvious mistakes.


Well Willbeur, why not tell us about some of those.

Your posts are are almost always talking points that you never bother talking about.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 4:31:50 PM   
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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 5:09:44 PM   
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You really are just dumb. I must concur with pogo. I do not waste NY time discussing immaterial issues. Educated people know the difference between a societal problem and an individual one. Get an education then return.

This is another technique of ideologues: when you get into a bind, dissemble, insult and deflect.

I suspect that I'm better educated than you, in many respect.  Diplomas not the least of them, my friend.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 5:14:22 PM   
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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 5:29:46 PM   
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No I do not agree with that assertion; however unlike many here (not necessarily you in particular) I try not to read between the lines.  Nor do I try to ascribe meanings to a sentence, other than the words contained there-in. 

It's not "reading between the lines" when someone adds an entirely new definition to a common word.

Where, in any of the definitions that you cited, does it say that racism is only from a dominant group?


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I get the feeling if you and I were to meet for drinks we'd manage to find the "compromise" that lies between our positions.

You have a Guinness in an iced glass waiting for you any time, if you are ever in the Atlanta area.


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You strike me as the kind of conservative that starts with the question of "How much government do we want?" ; whereas I begin with the question of "What kind of society do we want?".   I know between these two questions lies a compromise that if we were willing to sit and discuss rationally, we could find.

Good post.  It could actually lead to a serious discussion.

I do ask what kind of society that I want, and I want one in which there is the maximum amount of individual freedom, and individual responsibility, where morality and sympathy for those less fortunate lead to direct charity, channelled through small personal organizations who have direct contact and understanding of those that they help, and where political and business leaders are shamed when their organizations display acts of impersonal cruelty and greed.

I believe that the history of mankind shows that "more government" leads to the antithesis of this sort of society.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 5:32:15 PM   
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You really are just dumb.

He's not dumb, he's just trolling and pushing buttons.  Don't waste your time.

Speaking of "trolling and pushing buttons ..."

Go look into a mirror.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 8:10:38 PM   
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Speaking of "trolling and pushing buttons ..."

Go look into a mirror.

How adult.  What's next, I'm rubber you're glue?

Pointing out your favored posting tactics is not trolling. 

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 8:39:39 PM   
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Speaking of "trolling and pushing buttons ..."

Go look into a mirror.

How adult.  What's next, I'm rubber you're glue?

Pointing out your favored posting tactics is not trolling. 

stef,

In my years on CM, I think I've only seen one time that you weren't simply posting a drive-by insult down here.

I doubt anything will change at this late date.

But ... do you have anything to say that is on-topic?

Cio

Firm

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 9:25:25 PM   
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In my years on CM, I think I've only seen one time that you weren't simply posting a drive-by insult down here.

You "see" what you want to see and happily ignore the rest, that's hardly new. 

I did notice you didn't bother to deny that you were trolling.  Honesty, what a concept.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 9:36:47 PM   
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In my years on CM, I think I've only seen one time that you weren't simply posting a drive-by insult down here.

You "see" what you want to see and happily ignore the rest, that's hardly new. 

I did notice you didn't bother to deny that you were trolling.  Honesty, what a concept.

I don't troll.

The original post was a trolling, however.  He just couldn't handle it when he was called on his crap.

What do you call someone who makes a troll leave?  Troll-em-nator?

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 9:40:43 PM   
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I don't troll.

That's funny.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/28/2010 11:04:49 PM   
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You really are just dumb. I must concur with pogo. I do not waste NY time discussing immaterial issues. Educated people know the difference between a societal problem and an individual one. Get an education then return.

This is another technique of ideologues: when you get into a bind, dissemble, insult and deflect.

I suspect that I'm better educated than you, in many respect.  Diplomas not the least of them, my friend.

Firm



Firm, you must have hit a nerve with that.
They'd make Saul Alinsky proud.

Stef, how close to Cambridge, Mass do you live?

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/29/2010 8:37:56 AM   
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Just out of curiosity....when are those of a certain religion considered a race? Was there a defining moment I missed? There are racists of all sorts but, those like you, who tend to blatantly label seem to be the most ovbvious of them all.
There are racists of all sorts, shown by your personal example of a right winged racist, but spew your venom anyway. I haven't had enough laughs today!



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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/29/2010 6:58:55 PM   
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I definitely was not unclear in my posts. No where did i state anything about conservatives. Again, your reading comprehension skills are misleading you, Firm.

tazzy, I read and comprehend just fine.

You agreed with a poster who clearly called conservatives both racist and stupid.

Again, if that was not your intent, it certainly wasn't clear from your words.

Firm




Yea, it looked pretty simple to follow from hear. Thanks for clearing it up so well.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/29/2010 7:06:14 PM   
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On the other hand, disdain for conservatives is based on jealousy of corporations and wealthy people, that is a fact.



Thanks for that.

It is always nice to have someone who knows the facts.




knows the facts? omfg that was funny.....yea, thanks for that

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/29/2010 7:11:38 PM   
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lol...Jewish Racists? Really hate those Black Racists that have been keeping the White Man down for so many years! and those of us liberal racists we just hate everyone!.....and all liberals are stupid.....ahhhh, almost forgot just how jaded some of you are.
No wonder the conservatives like Will are thought of as so fearful of everything, you come off as a paranoid hater of all things you don't take the time nor put forth the effort to understand.

Watch out Will....the Jewish, Liberal Racists are creeping up on you when you have your back turned! Next thing you know you'll be circumcised and be moving to Nancy Pelosi's congressional district....Oh, that is in San Francisco, better look out for those gay racists as well!...
You are pathetic but, highly entertaining!



Are you seriously suggesting that only white conservatives can be racist? Seriously

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/29/2010 7:14:26 PM   
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lol...Jewish Racists? Really hate those Black Racists that have been keeping the White Man down for so many years! and those of us liberal racists we just hate everyone!.....and all liberals are stupid.....ahhhh, almost forgot just how jaded some of you are.
No wonder the conservatives like Will are thought of as so fearful of everything, you come off as a paranoid hater of all things you don't take the time nor put forth the effort to understand.

Watch out Will....the Jewish, Liberal Racists are creeping up on you when you have your back turned! Next thing you know you'll be circumcised and be moving to Nancy Pelosi's congressional district....Oh, that is in San Francisco, better look out for those gay racists as well!...
You are pathetic but, highly entertaining!



Are you seriously suggesting that only white conservatives can be racist? Seriously





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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/29/2010 7:15:46 PM   
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Nice of you to define them, the way you see them.

However, just because you define them that way, doesn't mean that you are correct, just that you define them in such a way so as to support your own position and biases.

Just saying ...

Firm



Firm the definitions of Bigotry, and Racism BOTH from dictionary.com :

big·ot·ry   /ˈbɪgətri/ Show Spelled[big-uh-tree] –noun,plural-ries

1.  stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2.  the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.


rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm]                                                     

1.  a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2.  a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3.  hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


Looks to me like Patrick got the gist of the two words correct.

Can we say "EPIC FAIL"


Seriously,
Some Knucklehead in NJ

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Racism is a societal problem that can only be exercised by the dominant race (in that society).


Well according to patrick "Racism is a societal problem that can only be exercised by the dominant race (in that society)." So why don't you show me where it says anything about that in your definitions.

edited to add: after that you might want to revisit the OP and see how well it falls under the bigot definition.

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