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What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 1:04:33 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I'm listening to pundits and politicians dissect the election results, and two unintended consequences jump out.

First, that this is the end of federal help for the states. No funds for police, nurses, firemen--they're on their own now, and already badly deficit-ridden states are going to find themselves even more in the crapper with no new help from an economy still suffering from tight credit and uncertainty.

And second, we're being promised they'll "bury the White House in subpoenas." So, at taxpayer expense, we get to watch a parade of pointless hearings aimed at 2012. That's the plan. Oh joy.

Know what I'd like to see? The Tea Party people surprise me and step up, elect NEW House leadership and let John Boehner spend the next two years reflecting on what went wrong. There's an army of freshmen Congressmen promising change--I for one would sit up and take them seriously if they started by delivering it right from the beginning with a fresh approach.
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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 1:07:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm listening to pundits and politicians dissect the election results, and two unintended consequences jump out.

First, that this is the end of federal help for the states. No funds for police, nurses, firemen--they're on their own now, and already badly deficit-ridden states are going to find themselves even more in the crapper with no new help from an economy still suffering from tight credit and uncertainty.

And second, we're being promised they'll "bury the White House in subpoenas." So, at taxpayer expense, we get to watch a parade of pointless hearings aimed at 2012. That's the plan. Oh joy.

Know what I'd like to see? The Tea Party people surprise me and step up, elect NEW House leadership and let John Boehner spend the next two years reflecting on what went wrong. There's an army of freshmen Congressmen promising change--I for one would sit up and take them seriously if they started by delivering it right from the beginning with a fresh approach.

Can you give the source of those two claims?

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 1:13:59 PM   
Musicmystery


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I'm listening to pundits and politicians dissect the election results


Both clearly are projections/speculations, vs. claims. But for the first, you think it's likely the new House will continue stimulus spending? And if so, is THAT what you voted for?

And the second you can Google--plenty of chatter about this. "Rep. Dan Issa, R-Calif., as presumptive chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, will take a cue from his predecessors during the Clinton administration and bury the White House in subpoenas. Issa, known for his partisanship, has indicated that he will double the number of investigators at his disposal if he is appointed committee chair." That's just a quick one from ABC News.



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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 2:04:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hope that states are on their own now. They might actually pass a budget they can afford, rather than rely on the feds to bail them out. I would hate to see a check written out to CA to solve their 20 billion dollar deficit problem. That state made that mess, they should clean it up.

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 2:09:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I'm with you on CA.

Nonetheless, hard times are ahead. Things will be worse before they're better, and we'll have less than we have now. I wonder how many people get that.

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 2:10:00 PM   
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And second, we're being promised they'll "bury the White House in subpoenas." So, at taxpayer expense, we get to watch a parade of pointless hearings aimed at 2012. That's the plan. Oh joy.


Darrel Issa
http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=darrell+issa+subpoena

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 2:12:43 PM   
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Well I'm with you on CA.

Nonetheless, hard times are ahead. Things will be worse before they're better, and we'll have less than we have now. I wonder how many people get that.

The problem is that the only way most states have to significantly reduce their spending is to shed jobs. Beyond the argument that we don't have enough teachers, firefighters, police, public hospital doctors etc. there is the problem that these inevitable layoffs will make the unemployment situation worse.

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 2:14:42 PM   
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First, that this is the end of federal help for the states.


It is also, one can hope, the end of unfunded mandates to the states. The problems caused by dims catering to public sector unions are their own (SEE: Gov Christie, D-NJ).

The sentence I quoted should be doubly or triply true of Ca. Thay faced a clear choice and decided, of aaallllll the problems facing Ca, that Ms Whitmans housekeeper was the most important. They have doubled down on stupid and should be allowed to complete their own destruction without federal intervention.

And without a thin dime of my tax money. Boehnor and Cantor get that. Especially Cantor.

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 2:17:09 PM   
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The problem is that the only way most states have to significantly reduce their spending is to shed jobs.


Or reduce compensation for those jobs. And, above all else, bring pensions into line with the private sector.

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 3:39:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Well I'm with you on CA.

Nonetheless, hard times are ahead. Things will be worse before they're better, and we'll have less than we have now. I wonder how many people get that.

The problem is that the only way most states have to significantly reduce their spending is to shed jobs. Beyond the argument that we don't have enough teachers, firefighters, police, public hospital doctors etc. there is the problem that these inevitable layoffs will make the unemployment situation worse.


good to see it extends beyond the private sector




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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 4:10:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
And second, we're being promised they'll "bury the White House in subpoenas." So, at taxpayer expense, we get to watch a parade of pointless hearings aimed at 2012. That's the plan. Oh joy.


Darrel Issa
http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=darrell+issa+subpoena


To use the first link on your link and quote the beginning of the Washington Post article at http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20021291-71.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave

"Democrats predict that Issa and other GOP leaders would follow former committee chairman Dan Burton's policy during the Clinton years - let a thousand subpeonas bloom - and would bury the Obama administration in an avalanche of subpoenas and hearings.

But Issa, while planning to double his investigators if he becomes chairman, went out of his way recently to tell reporters that a subpoena tsunami is "not my plan at all" - as long as the Democrats "work with us.""

So....nope....no immediate plans to do so according to your own source; just partisan predictions.

I will note that most changes in power in Congress the last few elections have had many what I will call "gotcha" or "punishment" investigations. The side in control has not mattered. There is a certain tradition of that going back to at least the 19th century but we only tend to remember the last election cycle or three. Vendettas of that sort are, regretfully, all too common right now.

Be well....

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 4:16:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		You should read some more of those links. Issa has promised dozens of investigations and hundreds of subpoenas

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 5:59:02 PM   
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It is also, one can hope, the end of unfunded mandates to the states. The problems caused by dims catering to public sector unions are their own (SEE: Gov Christie, D-NJ).

The sentence I quoted should be doubly or triply true of Ca. Thay faced a clear choice and decided, of aaallllll the problems facing Ca, that Ms Whitmans housekeeper was the most important. They have doubled down on stupid and should be allowed to complete their own destruction without federal intervention.

And without a thin dime of my tax money. Boehnor and Cantor get that. Especially Cantor.




Gee talking about doubling down on stupid, it appears you to want to IGNORE history, and the simple fact that when Brown left office he left a FIVE BILLION DOLLAR surplus.   You seem to forget that California leads the nation in "Initiative & Referendum" legislation and the people being generally easily lead sheep have really no one but themselves to blame.

Here in NJ the PEOPLE are the fucking problem too, we have a state with 566 municipalities, and 616 schools districts.  This in a state that is about 9,000 sq miles in size with roughly 9,000,000 in population.  Pennsylvania a state  that is 46,055 sq miles in area (approximately 5 times NJ) and a population of 12,604,607 (2009 est.  33% more than NJ) has 501 school districts, how can this be, when NJ is the smaller state, in both area and population?  Easy answer the fucking people that every time a governor has called for school consolidation screech "HOME RULE", even though their "boutique school district" has 500 or fewer students.

The shame is you do not live in NJ and feel the urge to comment on our politics without any knowledge of the internal workings of the state.  Can we say doubled down on STUPID???



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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 6:53:56 PM   
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But Issa, while planning to double his investigators if he becomes chairman, went out of his way recently to tell reporters that a subpoena tsunami is "not my plan at all" - as long as the Democrats "work with us.""

So....nope....no immediate plans to do so according to your own source; just partisan predictions.


Whoa, back up there a minute.

It's not a matter of whether hearings are relevant or important, but whether they "work with us." That goes beyond "just partisan predictions" to a fairly transparent threat.

Which brings us back to where this started--speculations about what happens next, and the indications of what's to come.

Did anybody vote for frivolous hearings at taxpayer expense, ones clearly not needed, per Issa's own words?

Boehner's stated objective, after all, is the 2012 Presidential election. Anybody elect someone to Congress to campaign for two years?

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 7:02:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm listening to pundits and politicians dissect the election results, and two unintended consequences jump out.

First, that this is the end of federal help for the states. No funds for police, nurses, firemen--they're on their own now, and already badly deficit-ridden states are going to find themselves even more in the crapper with no new help from an economy still suffering from tight credit and uncertainty.

And second, we're being promised they'll "bury the White House in subpoenas." So, at taxpayer expense, we get to watch a parade of pointless hearings aimed at 2012. That's the plan. Oh joy.


Tv/radio still stuck on the comedy channel and npr, eh?

They are both total bs.

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 7:03:20 PM   
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Well I'm with you on CA.

Nonetheless, hard times are ahead. Things will be worse before they're better, and we'll have less than we have now. I wonder how many people get that.


We got that as soon as Blowboy was elected.

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 7:04:36 PM   
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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 7:04:49 PM   
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First, that this is the end of federal help for the states.


It is also, one can hope, the end of unfunded mandates to the states. The problems caused by dims catering to public sector unions are their own (SEE: Gov Christie, D-NJ).

The sentence I quoted should be doubly or triply true of Ca. Thay faced a clear choice and decided, of aaallllll the problems facing Ca, that Ms Whitmans housekeeper was the most important. They have doubled down on stupid and should be allowed to complete their own destruction without federal intervention.

And without a thin dime of my tax money. Boehnor and Cantor get that. Especially Cantor.



I was on the phone with a realtor in Ca and a realtor in Vegas. Depending on how badly underwater my house here is, Im out ASAP.

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 8:19:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok. That settles it! Screw all of you, we are raising the prices at Disneyland, and we're going to make even crappier movies and TV. Take that!

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RE: What you DIDN'T vote for... - 11/3/2010 8:24:25 PM   
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Ok. That settles it! Screw all of you, we are raising the prices at Disneyland, and we're going to make even crappier movies and TV. Take that!



Cast Gov. Brown as the cryptkeeper and youve got a hit.

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