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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 2:12:46 AM

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LOL LOL LOL here in houston if you open a car door or be nice to a girl, or even *GASP give her flowers she will ram them down throat.

I used to be a hopeless romantic.. Still can be at times. Long ago you could pay a girl a compliment and it was appreciated. now they just slap the hell out of men for saying hello to them.. LOL.. Chivalry isn't dead yet, but this generation will take care of it.

I think you oughta move away from Huston

. My chivalrous nature borders on the farther end of the spectrum, and I've never met a woman yet, old or young, who didn't find it to be an attractive trait.

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 2:26:43 AM

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Stashed away somewhere, I do have a photo of myself and Kay... standing side by side, the resemblance fades. But thank you. ;) Usually I'm likened to those who I truly have no resemblance to... Julia Roberts, Carrie Fisher, Margot Kidder... *shrugs* go figure.

I would have thought of Arianna Huffington when she was younger and closer to your age.

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 3:52:49 AM

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Chivalry, as it is written about in modern times, both existed and was a figment of hte author's imagination.

It started as a code of honor for knights, both on and off the field of battle. And winning the hand of a woman was just another battle, more often than not, especially in terms of how well one could get in with the potential father-in-law. Mainly just in terms of militaristic support, or financial, but the end result was still the same. Knights in plate armor and swinging swords weren't quite as interested in teh delicateness of a female, since they were meant to run the castle and leave the affairs of men to men. The whole revamping of the Knight in Shining Armor concept came towards the end of the Renaissance, actually, when courtly manners were highly prized over martial prowess.

Sadly, youth of today have a vry twisted and demented sense of honor, although it is still there and they will stand on it until someone knocks them off or, more appropriately, shoots them off.

Kids only have manners when they are trying to impress a girl, and even then, they are only half-hearted attempts compared to what my generation was taught, and only a ghost of what my parents were taught.

Chivalry, as a concept, is mostly dead and long since buried. Manners are slowly dissolving into nothingness as well. There are still a few houses that have kids that understand, and use, manners, but they are becoming fewer and farther between. But then again, life is more hectic than it used to be, and well, if yer not around your kids for longer than it takes to see if they are breathing or not, they won't learn manners.

Just my opinion on the whole sorted mess.

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 4:04:32 AM

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Chivalry is the most delicate form of contempt.
~Albert Guerard

.....just a thought...

This particular type of contempt is something I can very easily live with, and hope to find in the man who would be in my life long term.
I seriously have a great deal of difficulty with men who lack some of what I consider basic manners, or think that feminism means we're both men.
On the other hand, I cultivate my own in regards to being respectful and servile (when I need to be) to old/feeble folks. M

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 4:21:20 AM

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I love the thought of chivalry. With a man being a man, being protective, loyal, trustworthy and all those things that make a man a true gentleman. And Yes, Doms can be gentlemen.

All I ask, and yes, this is off topic, is that you don't associate Knights with King Arthur. Chivalry with him and his soldiers. Knights and their code of honor came several hundred years after Arthur.

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 4:28:56 AM

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I came up in a time of opening doors, walking on the outside, etc. Standing when a lady enter or left the room was mostly saved for formal occasions. A kind quiet reminder of misplaced or unclosed fasterners, objects showing, etc instead of the loud intentionally embarrassing proclamations that seem to be so popular today. You would bring a favorite lady flowers just because...not just for special occasions or holidays. That favorite lady could be your wife, girlfriend, mother, grandmother, or any other special lady that you thought a lot of. Maybe just the nice neighbor lady that always had a smile and cheery good morning for you.

While I will sometimes still do this, I must admit to not showing good manners as often as I once did. Good Manners are Good Manners, they will never go out of style. Those that don't appreciate or desire them will be the poorer person for it. I don't believe they are dead, but they have seemed to stay hidden in a lot of situations.

How many of us are guilty of not showing good manners for fear of being ridiculed for them?

On another note. When a polite pretty young woman will sometimes hold a door for me I thank her politely and cheerfully. In the back of my mind I am wondering if she is just being nice to the old guy...LOL

If only she knew what the nice old guy was thinking about her cute young body.
Dirty Old Men are alive and well....believe it....LOL

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 5:40:44 AM

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I would have thought of Arianna Huffington when she was younger and closer to your age.
http://www.americanpolitics.com/121897arianna.html

Wow... thank you. ;)

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 5:57:40 AM

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I love a chivalrous man. Being Dominant I look for men to be self-sufficient, self-confident and very chivalrous. Submission to me does not mean that I think for them and have to tell them how to be chivalrous. I'm expecting them to come with that. If they don't, this doesn't mean that I turn them away. On the contrary, I see it as them having a need to be trained in how a sub/slave should court a Mistress. I can't tell you how many male subs have let me down in this regard. I actually expect that the female subs will know to do this more than a male sub would. Bring flowers to your first audience/date with a Mistress, open the door for her, pull her chair out at the restaurant and yes, stand up when she excuses herself to "powder her nose". This generation will only know it and do it if we set the example when we're out. Fires like these die when no one keeps them kindled and fed. I for one don't intend on letting it go. It will be an expectation I will always have. I have two boys and you had best believe I taught them that. If the choose to forego it during their early adult years, I know that it will come back to them because it has been ingrained in their being and someday they'll meet up with a woman, in their life, who will also expect it just like me.

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 7:03:52 AM

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here in houston if you open a car door or be nice to a girl, or even *GASP give her flowers she will ram them down throat.

Oh My!! You have been hanging out with the wrong women. Or perhaps you are doing these things for strangers:)

I come from an area in the US where these chilvaries are not common. I have to say , "I LOVE THE SOUTH" Six year old boys will rush to open the door for me. I hope they hold onto that when they get older.

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 7:15:06 AM

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LOL LOL LOL here in houston if you open a car door or be nice to a girl, or even *GASP give her flowers she will ram them down throat.

I used to be a hopeless romantic.. Still can be at times. Long ago you could pay a girl a compliment and it was appreciated. now they just slap the hell out of men for saying hello to them.. LOL.. Chivalry isn't dead yet, but this generation will take care of it.

Bovine Excrement! I live near Houston and I don't think the women there are very different from the women here, in fact, I know they're not. It does make one wonder, what the seedling is that sprouted this notion.

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 8:24:09 AM

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I am chivalrous to My lady, but that can even be touch and go as she has certain expectations (ordering for her in a restaurant is a nightmare). I know some women that take it as an insult. They figure they are more than capable of doing things for themselves... This is particularly true for My ever so favorite group of womyn's libbers. *slap* (make that a bitch slap)

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RE: Chivalry is not dead - 4/29/2006 9:18:02 AM

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I am chivalrous to My lady, but that can even be touch and go as she has certain expectations (ordering for her in a restaurant is a nightmare). I know some women that take it as an insult. They figure they are more than capable of doing things for themselves... This is particularly true for My ever so favorite group of womyn's libbers. *slap* (make that a bitch slap)

if i'm on a vanilla date i dont mind him ordering for me, it shows he knows my tastes and pays attention to what i like to eat. i love letting a man ordering for me. i rarely have vanilla interactions.. either i'm more or less dominant than someone and i respond accordingly.

with slaves.. i always order for them. when the waiter will automatically ask him what we want, i just bust on through and order for both of us.. no qualms.

i do believe in a vanilla interaction however, which is rare for me, it is customary for the male to order for both.

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