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Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 9:18:31 AM)



ron I am not the topic....this is the topic k.....

Al od is possession with out character.

In other words as soon as you use it for commercial purposes you now have assigned a character to it.  In fact a commercial one at that.

"fee simple" is just that sort of character and i can expand on that...

Land "lords" would acquire their plots lets say in some manner.  

Now what they did to change that into a feud was called sub-infeudination.  They took that perfected manner of possession and split it it up.  That means they section off a part and sold it to you and would give you absolute ownership in "fee simple".

Land possession in al od has or does not require a lord but one can become a lord through sub-infeudination and substitution "privileges" within the fee simple title.

Now on the surface that sounds like you own it lock stock and barrel but you dont!  You have all these so called rights!  You can farm it make money from it, build your mansion on it, sell it to another pass it as a heritable property leave it go to waste add to it whatever your heart can imagine to do with it etc etc etc..

However "fee simple" is a title of color and you are NOT what is called the "paramount owner"  the land Lord is.

Anytime you have to pay a party to be on some ground or in some building you pay a land lord.

Now you do not have the title of land lord unless you some how rent or sell the land in a split title manner where some rent or fee must be paid. (be it taxes, ad valorem, services whatever)

That and there can of course be sub land lords, in as much as the person who "owns" the property in fee simple can rent to the next guy or subsection the holdings off as well.

So that being the case if we look at the state who collects taxes the only way the government could do that is to dispose of the land in "fee simple" where all land remains "vested" in the government. (government as paramount owner)

That is a split title and if taxes are imposed feudalism.

Now there is another way to accomplish this (actually several) where it is not really feudalism in the strict sense of the word but in substance the same thing and that is to tax you for services presumably rendered. 

Now I realize I just did a bleeding edge semantic (welcome to legooo land)  but for the moment just to make a point lets say that is what they did.

That said taxes are being commercially forced upon you at the end of a barrel of a gun. 

They go by "res" "ident" meaning you are identified within their borders therefore you owe a tax.

Thats why the hiway nazi revenue collectors can take you to jail when they make their false arrest on a traffic stop if you do not show an id.

Of course it is crime to put on those red lights and arrest your movement in pretense that there is an emergency.

Taxation and land ownership is handled much the same way....

They could just as well in this modern world do it like any other corporation and invoice you for services used but nope its all put on a thing called a tax roll that 99% of all the people on here never even seen and they just pay it because they were told they had to pay it without question and it costs to much to fight or change it so they elect ohaha and dubya because they will change it!.......and the beat goes on....

Now if you look at the words I used like absolute ownership and can do whatever you want etc etc it gives the person not versed in law the impression wow it mine all mine! woo hoo!

That is why I throw this stuff back in peoples faces like politesub to explain their position and they never do.  Just hit and run posting and they take the high road and put ya on ignore after they cornered themselves.  LOL



mnottertail -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 9:23:56 AM)

 means a free inheritance, as distinguished from beneficium, a grant for the owner's life-time only.
 
Thank you for playing, even though you are absolutely inept.



pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 9:26:33 AM)

Nothing like a tax bill to see the light!

Is it my place or not?

If so- why must I pay and pay and work my fingers to the bone to pay?



mnottertail -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 9:28:36 AM)

Uhhhh, you don't.   We have enough fantasy questions and theories and arguments in the air as it is, without bringing your brand of phantasm into the cloud. 



Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 9:30:46 AM)

yeh ron it means that too!

I see your google works!  you forgot the rest though, (not surprizing)


ALLODIAL,  not held of a superior; used of land.  (L.,—Scand.)   Englished from Low Lat. allodialis, an adj. connected with the sb. allodium.   'The writers on this subject define allodium to be every man's own land, which he possesses merely in his own right, without owing any rent or service to any superior;' Blackstone, Comment. b. ii. c. 7.   α. The word allodium is 'Merovingian Latin;' Brachet (s.v. alleu).   It is also spelt alaudum, alaudium, alodium, alodum, alodis, and means a free inheritance, as distinguished from beneficium, a grant for the owner's life-time only.

Its great to see you finally got your google working.  and took the first definition that popped up.

Since that makes you the now resident expert please tell us how to distinguish the difference is between allodium and allodial in the sense of al od?



mnottertail -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 9:47:05 AM)

al od has nothing at all to do with it.

alloidal means exactly what I said it means in the law, and the rest of the gold lettering is unnecessary.

again, so fucking what?  nice used to mean fucking stupid. fuck was a word uttered in polite society.  Nothing nefarious about it. Nothing changes, nothing becomes unhinged, nothing to exploit here, it is the same as someone claiming to be a 'provost' or a georgian wifout teefus recurrently introducing right to travel bills in the state senate, or some 'plenipotentiary judge' who in incomprehensible and cretinous fashion constructs an algebra of babbling in the lockup next door consisting of :::: and ---- and gibberish of the highest order.


So, hows that working out for ya?  ROTFLMAO. 



Nslavu -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 10:03:06 AM)


Get aloadayall's minutiae



Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 11:58:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

al od has nothing at all to do with it.

alloidal means exactly what I said it means in the law, and the rest of the gold lettering is unnecessary.

again, so fucking what?  nice used to mean fucking stupid. fuck was a word uttered in polite society.  Nothing nefarious about it. Nothing changes, nothing becomes unhinged, nothing to exploit here, it is the same as someone claiming to be a 'provost' or a georgian wifout teefus recurrently introducing right to travel bills in the state senate, or some 'plenipotentiary judge' who in incomprehensible and cretinous fashion constructs an algebra of babbling in the lockup next door consisting of :::: and ---- and gibberish of the highest order.


So, hows that working out for ya?  ROTFLMAO. 


you talk in your sleep a lot dont you.....

that guy you claim speaks gibberish helped with the hawaii constitution, has done work for the pentagon and united nations but what ever you say man.

Words have meaning ron.  I know they do not to you and its one huge blur for you and that is why we never see eye to eye on anything.

Only you would apply gay with todays slang meaning when reading a book from the 1800's.





mnottertail -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 12:03:38 PM)

pure horseshit.  I was a god once, then I retired.  Saying something is so, don't make it so.  The Hawaiian Constitution was written in 1887. That fellow has had a lot of eeeeeeeeasy miles if that be true, since he would have had to be at least 18 years old to be involved, and tack on 123 or so years, and  well, give me the quantum syntax on that shit for a guy that is alive today. I need to see it backwards and forwards.

(since again:  Time, as we understand it, does not flow from present to past.  Al Einstein)

Again, thanks for playing.



pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 12:17:32 PM)

Again, thanks for playing./snip

Yeah RO.  Thanks for paying your taxes to the NWO~!



Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 12:21:32 PM)

well its feudal country and you gotta let the heckler have his 2 cents worth on the matter.

pretty much anything to take it off topic no matter how ridiculous or twisted his position is.

try reading for comprehension ron instead of ignoramousance


once again:
I am not the topic....this is the topic k.....

Al od is possession with out character.

In other words as soon as you use it for commercial purposes you now have assigned a character to it.  In fact a commercial one at that.

"fee simple" is just that sort of character and i can expand on that...

Land "lords" would acquire their plots lets say in some manner.  

Now what they did to change that into a feud was called sub-infeudination.  They took that perfected manner of possession and split it it up.  That means they section off a part and sold it to you and would give you absolute ownership in "fee simple".

Land possession in al od has or does not require a lord but one can become a lord through sub-infeudination and substitution "privileges" within the fee simple title.

Now on the surface that sounds like you own it lock stock and barrel but you dont!  You have all these so called rights!  You can farm it make money from it, build your mansion on it, sell it to another pass it as a heritable property leave it go to waste add to it whatever your heart can imagine to do with it etc etc etc..

However "fee simple" is a title of color and you are NOT what is called the "paramount owner"  the land Lord is.

Anytime you have to pay a party to be on some ground or in some building you pay a land lord.

Now you do not have the title of land lord unless you some how rent or sell the land in a split title manner where some rent or fee must be paid. (be it taxes, ad valorem, services whatever)

That and there can of course be sub land lords, in as much as the person who "owns" the property in fee simple can rent to the next guy or subsection the holdings off as well.

So that being the case if we look at the state who collects taxes the only way the government could do that is to dispose of the land in "fee simple" where all land remains "vested" in the government. (government as paramount owner)

That is a split title and if taxes are imposed feudalism.

Now there is another way to accomplish this (actually several) where it is not really feudalism in the strict sense of the word but in substance the same thing and that is to tax you for services presumably rendered. 

Now I realize I just did a bleeding edge semantic (welcome to legooo land)  but for the moment just to make a point lets say that is what they did.

That said taxes are being commercially forced upon you at the end of a barrel of a gun. 

They go by "res" "ident" meaning you are identified within their borders therefore you owe a tax.

Thats why the hiway nazi revenue collectors can take you to jail when they make their false arrest on a traffic stop if you do not show an id.

Of course it is crime to put on those red lights and arrest your movement in pretense that there is an emergency.

Taxation and land ownership is handled much the same way....

They could just as well in this modern world do it like any other corporation and invoice you for services used but nope its all put on a thing called a tax roll that 99% of all the people on here never even seen and they just pay it because they were told they had to pay it without question and it costs to much to fight or change it so they elect ohaha and dubya because they will change it!.......and the beat goes on....

Now if you look at the words I used like absolute ownership and can do whatever you want etc etc it gives the person not versed in law the impression wow it mine all mine! woo hoo!

That is why I throw this stuff back in peoples faces like politesub to explain their position and they never do.  Just hit and run posting and they take the high road and put ya on ignore after they cornered themselves.  LOL




A fee simple title is a feudal title and the only thing you can say to defeat that argument is that you do not have to pay taxes when you have a fee simple title.

everything else is just huff and puff hot air....as far as I am concerned.





mnottertail -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 12:37:14 PM)

no the topic is a man with some 140 + years of experience in life, who cannot compose a fuckin sentence beyond gibberish,  your ability to decode that and your breaking words into meaningless memes thereby causing havoc and the playing of sturm and drang when you mince into the courtroom in your straitjacket.

now lets move on to the  ia and l sounds and other onomatopeia.



Lucylastic -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 12:53:32 PM)

Ron I adore you...you make me squeal with laughter 



Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 12:56:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

as usual you have abandoned another of your claims.  I dont know how many people out here understand this stuff but those who do I am sure read the writing on the wall and are chuckling.



Not only do you know nothing about English law, you know nothing about GMT, otherwise you would have worked out I was asleep and oblivious to your nonsense.

Far from the crap about allodial, your claim that I disputed was that US land is still owned by England. Colour your text anyway you wish but your bullshit is still bullshit.



Elisabella -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 2:08:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nslavu

No. It is not from my link. It is a dog bone link you can chase off the link you supplied from your god wiki. You'll also note it says By Decree meaning some king decides what is and what isn't.


It's the link you supplied within the text "13 Babylonian Periods/Calendar 13" that doesn't even support what you're saying. You can't just markup some words and expect me to believe it's a proper cite, I click that shit.

And yes, a King (or a priesthood) decided when a thirteenth month was tacked on. So to answer your question "Why were they doing 13?" the answer would be because their standard 12 month calendar had a tendency to get a bit irregular.

Wiki's not my god, it's just the quickest way to provide cited contradiction to posted misinformation.

quote:



Archaeologists? Okay, let's use shovels to understand the stars. Are they writing horoscopes now? Tomorrow you will come face to face with an angry dinosaur but since they no longer exist that shit in your pants is only indicative of what you believe.


This conversation's not about the stars though, it's about history, and whether the original zodiac, as you claimed, had 13 star signs.

Everything you said in your original post about the zodiacs of ancient civilizations is false. Or, at the very least, believed to be untrue.

quote:


There is no original 12. That was done by decree, by edict as was the thirty degree nonsense. It is only what they (wiki edicts) refer to as 'original'. This what you're not getting, word bender.


You're right, the 'original' Babylonian zodiac was 17 or 18, but the first standardized Western zodiac had 12 star signs.

quote:

Even if I were to acquiesce to your wiki's tendency to regurgitate the 'official' word as decreed by some Nobles many years ago, I would expect you to chase all the links within those pages, their references, then scrutinize who's word it is, then chase the discussion section and it's links with the same critical eye. The fact that none (or few) of those links are astrologers stops me because this is like believing archaeologist can perform brain surgery and just taking their word for it.


You had such a big sook over people criticizing youtube, I'm laughing at these digs at wiki.

Dude...even the astrology page you linked said that the original standard zodiac had twelve signs and the reason there should be thirteen today is because the earth has precessed and now travels through thirteen signs.

I can sorta understand if you don't want to use my sources, it's cheap but I'm used to it, but you're the one who linked that astrology site, asked me if I understood what precession of the earth is, and then...completely disregarded both in favor of a theory that relies on the earth having been tilted to the same degree thousands of years ago.

quote:


This was however a nice little exercise in avoiding your fallacies that somehow Reagan's belief in astrology makes Kennedy's speech on 'shadow governments' nonsense.


Kennedy Speech This kind of shit will get you killed.

George Washington Letters Wary of fundamentalists and Illuminati. A lot of reading here, but this shows essentially what the American revolution was about. An attempt to get away from the edicts and official decree rulers in Europe. aka The Lords and or Nobles. On the other hand he was on the cusp of Aquarius/Pisces and those people are nutty like Reagan was. He too was aquarius :-D


I'll watch them when the hangover goes away. XD



Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 2:15:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

as usual you have abandoned another of your claims.  I dont know how many people out here understand this stuff but those who do I am sure read the writing on the wall and are chuckling.



Not only do you know nothing about English law, you know nothing about GMT, otherwise you would have worked out I was asleep and oblivious to your nonsense.

Far from the crap about allodial, your claim that I disputed was that US land is still owned by England. Colour your text anyway you wish but your bullshit is still bullshit.


Again I gave you the precise verbiage that the king would have had to use in english law to to "truly sign off" the land.

Thats why people like you need turn on me's because you dont know what the fuck you are doing.






Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 2:27:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealOne

Again I gave you the precise verbiage that the king would have had to use in english law to to "truly sign off" the land.

Thats why people like you need turn on me's because you dont know what the fuck you are doing.



Your need to learn the distininction between verbiage and garbage. Ron has already pointed out to you that your making a claim doesnt make it real.



Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 2:38:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

no the topic is a man with some 140 + years of experience in life, who cannot compose a fuckin sentence beyond gibberish,  your ability to decode that and your breaking words into meaningless memes thereby causing havoc and the playing of sturm and drang when you mince into the courtroom in your straitjacket.

now lets move on to the  ia and l sounds and other onomatopeia.


not the brightest bulb in the box 

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ron I adore you...you make me squeal with laughter 


cheerleader of the not to brite bulbs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

as usual you have abandoned another of your claims.  I dont know how many people out here understand this stuff but those who do I am sure read the writing on the wall and are chuckling.



Not only do you know nothing about English law, you know nothing about GMT, otherwise you would have worked out I was asleep and oblivious to your nonsense.

Far from the crap about allodial, your claim that I disputed was that US land is still owned by England. Colour your text anyway you wish but your bullshit is still bullshit.


and simply dont get it. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealOne

Again I gave you the precise verbiage that the king would have had to use in english law to to "truly sign off" the land.

Thats why people like you need turn on me's because you dont know what the fuck you are doing.



Your need to learn the distininction between verbiage and garbage. Ron has already pointed out to you that your making a claim doesnt make it real.

and never will get it!


    -Ethel and odal must be distinguished etymologically from the Frankish equivalent alod, which in its Latinised form allodium, was imported into England by the Normans. Alod is explained as al od, whole, absolute property, as distinguished from feodum, fco od, stipendiary property, property given for reward. Earle, Land Charters, li.  Pg 147

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keep smiling kids!







mnottertail -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 2:47:02 PM)

Hey, this from a guy who says that a 140 year old man is making colons and quantum syntax, and that einstein was stupid.

And who told us of the coming terror when the governors of all 50 states were to be arrested and dethroned by the 'provost'

And who now tells a fucking englishman, how to speake englische as she is goodley spokene, when he cant spell labour or colour correctly.

A cloth eared bint is more the case.  You may see him on the box at picadilly, gesculating wildly.  Rasputin of the Bailey.

Walpole.



Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 2:58:00 PM)



I knew you would like that!   lmao

Do consider pulling your kam fong out yer chin ho some day!

I have to admit it was great hearing discussions lets say proving out certain aspects of government to date generally unknown with regard to some of my research on a talk show today....  Made me feel all warm and cozy inside!  The money sucks though LOL





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