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pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 3:10:16 PM)

I am sorry RO is not on the computer. 




Nslavu -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 3:59:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

It's the link you supplied within the text "13 Babylonian Periods/Calendar 13" that doesn't even support what you're saying. You can't just markup some words and expect me to believe it's a proper cite, I click that shit.


No it comes from a link (that I clicked on) within the wiki citation you posted. I read that shit too, well sometimes, depends on who is posting. I also read the discussion pages on wiki. By the time I'm done, I'm thinking what do these fucking people really know?
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This conversation's not about the stars though, it's about history, and whether the original zodiac, as you claimed, had 13 star signs.


But it's not about stars? LOL Are there constellations without stars now or is it stars in archeological history?

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Everything you said in your original post about the zodiacs of ancient civilizations is false. Or, at the very least, believed to be untrue.


No, it's just contrary to 'standard' belief. And I said nothing about ancient civs in my original post as you claim. My post was clearly about the time of Pope Gregory's calendar. This 'ancient' thing is your dog bone...it's as off topic as the rest but chew on it if you like... I like to toss them air, see who bites


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You had such a big sook over people criticizing youtube, I'm laughing at these digs at wiki.


Overstate much? I recall saying it (utube) wasn't the greatest place, but that there were sometimes some gems. (kind of paraphrasing) I am actually having more of a sook over wiki, if I get the meaning of sook. Google is my next sooky target.

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Dude...even the astrology page you linked said that the original standard zodiac had twelve signs and the reason there should be thirteen today is because the earth has precessed and now travels through thirteen signs.


What is considered standard Western is original then? Make up my mind ..As memory serves this was indeed done around the time good ole Pope Gregory arranged his calendar as I stated originally.

This 'original' dog bone or 'ancient babylonian BS' is something you began chasing. I was wrong it's not king Gregory, (my bad) it was Pope Gregory. But ...meh... You can chase those bones if you like. When you're done, come back to Pope Gregory's time. Then you apply precession and you get 12 constellations and the abstract use of 30 degree segments, omitting Ophiuchus (13) and the proper degrees involved. This is my understanding as it pertains to the subject.

I would also like to recant the use of the word sook since I don't have a clue what it means and don't care to wiki or Google it. I wonder if it's on utube..



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This was however a nice little exercise in avoiding your fallacies that somehow Reagan's belief in astrology makes Kennedy's speech on 'shadow governments' nonsense.
Kennedy Speech This kind of shit will get you killed.
George Washington Letters Wary of fundamentalists and Illuminati. A lot of reading here, but this shows essentially what the American revolution was about. An attempt to get away from the edicts and official decree rulers in Europe. aka The Lords and or Nobles. On the other hand he was on the cusp of Aquarius/Pisces and those people are nutty like Reagan was. He too was aquarius :-D


I'll watch them when the hangover goes away. XD


Thats what they all say. "A lot things in this article need citations." :-p







pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 4:04:06 PM)

[image]http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2010/181110feature2.jpg[/image] ‘JFK Deathbed Confession’ reaches #1 on Google Ahead of Ventura TV program Former Gov. Jesse Ventura appeared on the Alex Jones Show today to inform the world about the earth-shattering info that will air tonight on TruTV, prompting a #1 search term./snip
I will wait till it is in print form. I am curious but I do not have time to watch TV.




Nslavu -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 4:19:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu


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ORIGINAL: PorcHouse
Real0ne, I haven't read the whole topic, just the first two pages, but I would strongly recommend you to check out this link:
http://www.freestateproject.org/
And this radio show:
http://www.freetalklive.com/



There's also this .. Robin Hood Tax and likely several other 'methods' to overthrow existing dynamics.

The problem with serfs is that they can never come together.


the word overthrow is a dangerous word to use around america because little do people know that the lieber code is still well in effect and as soon as those words are uttered by someone on american soil they just pained a target on their back for assassination.   So I hope everyone keeps that in mind as I would hate to see anyone get hurt through improper understanding of the law in force and its ramifications.




Dude, the serfs will not come together until they get over themselves. And people like Alex Jones are not helping with that. (was it you that uttered NWO?, if not sorry)





Nslavu -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 4:21:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I have to smile at dumb, dumb and even dumber. None of you seem to know the time of day, let alone English law. Still, at least the constant back slapping makes the three of you feel better.

Real One, as I have asked over and over, show me where I am wrong, as per the Treaty of Paris. Lets not forget you are the one claiming it means something other than what it actually states, not me.

Pahunk..... Ten pages and nothing that actually makes your claim credible. If I have missed something then feel free to point it out.

Nslavu, you felt the need to jump in on the side of the stupid, hence you get tarred with the same brush. Look before you leap springs to mind.



I suspect you're asleep now ya pantload.




pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 4:28:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu


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ORIGINAL: PorcHouse
Real0ne, I haven't read the whole topic, just the first two pages, but I would strongly recommend you to check out this link:
http://www.freestateproject.org/
And this radio show:
http://www.freetalklive.com/



There's also this .. Robin Hood Tax and likely several other 'methods' to overthrow existing dynamics.

The problem with serfs is that they can never come together.


the word overthrow is a dangerous word to use around america because little do people know that the lieber code is still well in effect and as soon as those words are uttered by someone on american soil they just pained a target on their back for assassination.   So I hope everyone keeps that in mind as I would hate to see anyone get hurt through improper understanding of the law in force and its ramifications.




Dude, the serfs will not come together until they get over themselves. And people like Alex Jones are not helping with that. (was it you that uttered NWO?, if not sorry)





May I ask what you feel should be done?




Elisabella -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 4:33:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

No it comes from a link (that I clicked on) within the wiki citation you posted. I read that shit too, well sometimes, depends on who is posting. I also read the discussion pages on wiki. By the time I'm done, I'm thinking what do these fucking people really know?


rofl so why did you include that link in your post?

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No, it's just contrary to 'standard' belief. And I said nothing about ancient civs in my original post as you claim. My post was clearly about the time of Pope Gregory's calendar. This 'ancient' thing is your dog bone...it's as off topic as the rest but chew on it if you like... I like to toss them air, see who bites


I was referring to this: "not so surprisingly original astrology included 13 constellations, not 12. Ophiuchus (serpent) is the omitted constellation"

Ophiuchus was not part of the original zodiac, presumably it wasn't even in the right alignment at the time the original zodiac was created.

Not sure how you are going to twist it so that "original astrology" was from medieval times but I'm sure you'll find a way.

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What is considered standard Western is original then? Make up my mind ..As memory serves this was indeed done around the time good ole Pope Gregory arranged his calendar as I stated originally.


Um no, the changing of original (Babylonian) 18 sign astrology to 12 signs was done in ancient times, influencing ancient Greek and Egyptian astrology, and eventually becoming the standard.

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This 'original' dog bone or 'ancient babylonian BS' is something you began chasing. I was wrong it's not king Gregory, (my bad) it was Pope Gregory. But ...meh... You can chase those bones if you like. When you're done, come back to Pope Gregory's time. Then you apply precession and you get 12 constellations and the abstract use of 30 degree segments, omitting Ophiuchus (13) and the proper degrees involved. This is my understanding as it pertains to the subject.


Your post referenced 'original astrology,' not medieval astrology - I can't be expected to know that by 'original astrology' you meant 'thousands of years after the creation of the zodiac.' You also said that the 13th sign was 'omitted' from 'original astrology' when it appears you meant to say that the original zodiac is no longer applicable because the stars are not in the same alignment, and a thirteenth sign should be added.

I'm glad we cleared this up :)




Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 4:54:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

I suspect you're asleep now ya pantload.


It must suck to get everything wrong huh. [;)]




Elisabella -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 4:57:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

I suspect you're asleep now ya pantload.


It must suck to get everything wrong huh. [;)]


Nah he's totally right, it's just the nobility hacked your account so they could cover up the truth.




Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 5:04:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu
Dude, the serfs will not come together until they get over themselves. And people like Alex Jones are not helping with that. (was it you that uttered NWO?, if not sorry)


nope the only time I do is in reference to the northwest ordinance LOL




Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 5:06:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

I suspect you're asleep now ya pantload.


It must suck to get everything wrong huh. [;)]


Nah he's totally right, it's just the nobility hacked your account so they could cover up the truth.



I love the way certain brits on the board get huffy and puffy when their asses are hanginging in the wind LOL

bad boys bad boys whatcha gonna do?














Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 5:08:12 PM)

You mistake huffy and puffy for laughing hysterically.




Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 5:09:07 PM)



glad you are laughing with me!







Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 5:11:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

glad you are laughing with me!



Now your mistaking "with" with at. [8D]




Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 5:14:28 PM)



remember?



Al od is possession with out character.

In other words as soon as you use it for commercial purposes you now have assigned a character to it.  In fact a commercial one at that.

"fee simple" is just that sort of character and i can expand on that...

Land "lords" would acquire their plots lets say in some manner.  

Now what they did to change that into a feud was called sub-infeudination.  They took that perfected manner of possession and split it it up.  That means they section off a part and sold it to you and would give you absolute ownership in "fee simple".

Land possession in al od has or does not require a lord but one can become a lord through sub-infeudination and substitution "privileges" within the fee simple title.

Now on the surface that sounds like you own it lock stock and barrel but you dont!  You have all these so called rights!  You can farm it make money from it, build your mansion on it, sell it to another pass it as a heritable property leave it go to waste add to it whatever your heart can imagine to do with it etc etc etc..

However "fee simple" is a title of color and you are NOT what is called the "paramount owner"  the land Lord is.

Anytime you have to pay a party to be on some ground or in some building you pay a land lord.

Now you do not have the title of land lord unless you some how rent or sell the land in a split title manner where some rent or fee must be paid. (be it taxes, ad valorem, services whatever)

That and there can of course be sub land lords, in as much as the person who "owns" the property in fee simple can rent to the next guy or subsection the holdings off as well.

So that being the case if we look at the state who collects taxes the only way the government could do that is to dispose of the land in "fee simple" where all land remains "vested" in the government. (government as paramount owner)

That is a split title and if taxes are imposed feudalism.

Now there is another way to accomplish this (actually several) where it is not really feudalism in the strict sense of the word but in substance the same thing and that is to tax you for services presumably rendered. 

Now I realize I just did a bleeding edge semantic (welcome to legooo land)  but for the moment just to make a point lets say that is what they did.

That said taxes are being commercially forced upon you at the end of a barrel of a gun. 

They go by "res" "ident" meaning you are identified within their borders therefore you owe a tax.

Thats why the hiway nazi revenue collectors can take you to jail when they make their false arrest on a traffic stop if you do not show an id.

Of course it is crime to put on those red lights and arrest your movement in pretense that there is an emergency.

Taxation and land ownership is handled much the same way....

They could just as well in this modern world do it like any other corporation and invoice you for services used but nope its all put on a thing called a tax roll that 99% of all the people on here never even seen and they just pay it because they were told they had to pay it without question and it costs to much to fight or change it so they elect ohaha and dubya because they will change it!.......and the beat goes on....

Now if you look at the words I used like absolute ownership and can do whatever you want etc etc it gives the person not versed in law the impression wow it mine all mine! woo hoo!

That is why I throw this stuff back in peoples faces like politesub to explain their position and they never do.  Just hit and run posting and they take the high road and put ya on ignore after they cornered themselves.  LOL




Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 5:19:24 PM)

No mention of it all being owned by thCrown, I must have taught you something over the last few pages.




pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/19/2010 5:21:20 PM)

The NWO thanks you for your tax money!    Even the money is not real.... 




Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/20/2010 5:31:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Nah he's totally right, it's just the nobility hacked your account so they could cover up the truth.




JOHNSON v. McINTOSH.
Supreme Court Op The United States, 1828.
(8 Wheaton, 5*3.) Discovery gives a valid title to territory occupied by uncivilized peoples. The right of the North American Indians to the lands which they possessed was that of occupancy merely
Judgment—Marshall, C. J

"On the establishment of these relations, the rights of the original inhabitants were, in no instance, entirely disregarded, but were necessarily, to a considerable extent, impaired. They were admitted to be the rightful occupants of the soil, with a legal as well as just claim to retain possession of it, and to use it according to their own discretion; but their rights to complete sovereignty, as independent nations, were necessarily diminished and their power to dispose of the soil at their own will, to whomsoever they pleased, was denied by the original fundamental principle, that discovery gave exclusive title to those who made it.

"In this first effort made by the English government to acquire territory on the continent, we perceive a complete recognition of the principle which has been mentioned. The right of discovery given by this commission is confined to countries ' then unknown to all Christian people;' and of these countries Cabot was empowered to take possession in the name of the king of England, thus asserting a right to take possession notwithstanding the occupancy of the natives, who were heathen, and, at the same time, admitting any prior title of any Christian people who may have made a previous discovery. * * *
" Thus, all nations of Europe, who have acquired territory on this continent, have asserted in themselves and have recognized in others, the exclusive right of the discoverer to appropriate the lands occupied by the Indians. * * *
" The power now possessed by the government of the United States to grant lands, resided, while we were colonies, in the crown, or its grantees.
" The validity of the titles given by either has never been questioned in our courts. It has been exercised uniformly over territory in possession of the Indians. The existence of this power must negative the existence of any right which may conflict with, and control it. An absolute title to lands cannot exist, at the same time, in different persons, or in different governments. " An absolute, must be an exclusive title, or at least a title which excludes all others not compatible with it. All our institutions recognize the absolute title of the crown, subject only to the Indian right of occupancy, and recognize the absolute title of the crown to extinguish that right. This is incompatible with an absolute and complete title in the Indians."


right of discovery = right of title huh....  I wonder what low down scoundrel sunna bitch group pf terrorists came up with that idea?




mnottertail -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/20/2010 6:47:39 AM)

Again, and still, with great braggadacio, and copious and tedious pages of nothingness consisting of no material value you say See? I've pulled a rabbit!!!!  Yet all assembled here see only empty hat.




pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/20/2010 6:59:44 AM)

MN- has been obediently paying taxes since 1989.  He loves it. He adores it.  He craves it.






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