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Jaybeee -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/16/2010 1:21:54 PM)
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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue
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When you hurl insults against enlisted men or women, you degrade anyone who felt it a duty to serve. What would you do, if England found itself being invaded (again)? Pick up a weapon, or turn tail and run? [/color]
Hopefully I'd had the smarts to up stakes and leave, with my beloved relatives, LONG before the shit-thrower took aim at the fan.
Out of interest, what happens when your next bolt-hole is invaded by the same people?
You do realise that policy will eventually see you living in either the USA, Switzerland, or China?*
*assuming, of course, they're not reason you're moving in the first place ...
Mate, hers was a fucking dumb question and you know it, and yes, I know I answered it. I am virtually certain you're the kind of chap who knows precisely what Operation Sealion was and why it would almost certainly have failed, so let's just leave the topic of invading England alone, shall we? Though you've actually named 2 out of the 3 parts of the world I'd most dearly love to live in anyway.
Which one aren't you keen on? It's the Swiss isn't it? For what it's worth I agree. If you haven't been I suggest going, soonest.
It'll put you off order and reason, for life.
I've been a few times and yes, there's something symbolic about the fact that they're a nation famous for a clock with a "Cuckoo" in it.
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But it's the French-speaking part of Europe I love most, the women, the overall attitude.
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And you are a well-written fellow, so the question is; just what possible reasons do you have to give ANY sympathy for current or ex-military? I can understand some dumb brainwashed 17 y.o hick wishing he could sign up, but that's obviously not you. Were you an Officer or run a business supplying the MOD?
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Genuine lol. No, I'm nothing to do with the military, and never have been. As I said, I have friends who serve, and I'm pretty particular about my friends; these are decent, honourable people. I realise you'll have to take my word for it, but they are. They aren't "heroes", but neither are they villains.
Well of course technically I DON'T have to take your word for it, but therein lies the crux of my own utter distaste for the military; they all have a weird feel about them, the same one from man to man over a quarter century. A sort of craven need for belonging and order and worst of all, an absolute unquestioningness of the source of that order. It's a feeling; I can't quantify it or describe it any more clearer as I never felt anything similar, so have no frame of reference. Thus I will feel zero offence if you don't take MY word on that.
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As for "sympathy", I don't feel that's the word I'd use. I wouldn't ever take up arms against another person unless either my life or nation were in imminent danger, but I have enough vision and empathy to understand how people end up in the military (and there are as many reasons as there are people) and how wrong is some of the treatment they receive, as detailed in my previous post. I have the background and knowledge to understand that politicians almost always (sooner or later) drop young people into situations where the politicians are at zero risk, and the young people are at much, and I don't actually feel that's very fair. An education gives you the ability to earn more than someone else, or win an argument, but it doesn't give you the right to drag a nation, and individuals, into an unjust war (and, apart from WWII, has there ever been another kind?).
The surprising thing (to me) is that you and I are agreeing with a hell of a lot more than we're disagreeing. I am almost as disgusted with the politicians who send those boys to war as I am the boys themselves. Not quite, but not far. I couldn't, COULDN'T agree any more about the unjust wars since WW2.
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I would hope you're aware that using terms like "dumb, brainwashed hick" (as just one example) are (once again) inflammatory and insulting. My previous point was that while you may consider you're making yourself look clever in conducting yourself thusly, the exact reverse is (as best I can see from a relatively impartial viewpoint) the case; you're coming across as either a troll, or someone so completely crass and unthinking that you're prepared to say anything in order to score what you perceive as a "hit". That's fine as far as it goes, and I confess to having been hugely argumentative on the net a decade or so ago myself (though never an outright troll), but all I'm saying is that, if you're trying to make a point, you'll catch more wasps with honey than you will with vinegar.
My views are indeed controversial, but then we are ALL members of an eyebrow-raising minority here; we like punishment/pain/domination/submission etc. The fact that we've got white guys wanting to enslave black girls would cause a fucking shitstorm on any other website or offline, but here, both the guys and the girls are applauded for being true to their own natures and preferences. Irony of ironies, by all statistics at least a few of said guys+gals might be paid-up Labour Party members....
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All I'm doing is providing a voice (or rather, an author) to the anti-armed forces lobby, which is as starved of expression on most websites as those white guys and black girls are. I'm not out to change minds (yet), I just want to express mine.
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ATM you're coming across as one of those knee-jerk, “America’s shit!” types, and while I'm not American, I can understand why it’s wearing a bit thin with other people. Now of course you're free, as this is a public forum, to say whatever you choose, within the remit of the moderator’s opinion, but I just think it would make life slightly more pleasant for all concerned if you were slightly (note slightly) more tactful, and less vitriolic. That's entirely your choice, of course.
Approximately 86% of non-military blue-collar Americans have never left North America. If a few yanks are so badly hurt and stung by the more outspoken Europeans to think that everybody outside the US hates it, I'd strongly advise them to join some website that caters to whatever other personal interests they have AND ends with .co.uk, so they can see whether their prejudices are founded. Let the truth smack them in the eyes. That's how they'll learn best. When they realise the rest of the world is willing to love, hug, and play with the big "Playground Bully of the World", not out of fear but out of LOVE for the nation that gave us barbecued food, the moon landing and most thankfully of all Cindy Crawford, they'll soon change their tune.
And I hope one or two of them made it this far down my post to actually act on it.
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