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sofldan -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 4:13:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

When I joined the USAF as a teenager, I wasn't thinking about war or really stupid wars, I was thinking about tuition and travel benefits. Teenagers aren't known for thinking things through. The older wiser me wouldn't enlist, but is glad the younger me did.

VA medical benefits: everything is free; nothing is available

In August, I asked my primary care provider for a referral to the GYN so I could get an ultrasound for a chronic condition.

In September, the GYN put in a referral to the closest facility that does this, which is 58 miles away from me. 58 miles is a LONG way in South Florida traffic.

In October, having received a letter with directions to the West Palm Beach facility but no appointment, I called Radiology. The woman said she saw the referral but not the order, and that I needed to speak to Denise. I left a message for Denise, who did not return my call.

Later in October, I sent a fax to my primary care provider, explaining that I had not received an appointment and would she please help. She did not reply.

Monday, I saw my PCP. She looked up the referral and said it was stuck in Fee-Based Services. She left a message at Miami. I said that my referral was to WPB, would Miami be able to help? She said yes, they are connected.

Yesterday, Miami called me and said I needed to speak to WPB, they are not connected. She did not have the extension.

I called WPB and the system told me that I was # 27 to reach the operator. I stayed on hold for a while and when the system told me I was # 22, I left a call back number. The operator called me back and I got the extension for Fee-Based Services. This went into a loop - no person or machine picked up - I kept going back to the main recording. Sighing, I pressed 0 for the operator. When I finally got someone, I explained that the extension was not working, that it was in a loop and no one picked up and I did not get voice mail. He asked me if I would like him to send a tech for the (something). I said, "No, I would like to speak to someone at extension XXXX. So he transferred me, back into the loop!

It was around noon, and I figured the person at extension XXXX was taking a lunch break - clever scheduling as this is the time her customers are also taking their breaks. I finally got a person at 3 PM. Pilar said that I did not need Fee-Based Services, I needed Fee-Based Services GYN and that she would leave them a message and to call Suzanne if I did not get a response by Friday. I am not holding my breath.

Good thing my need for an ultrasound is not related to pregnancy!


Oh god dont get me started on the VA. I call to make an appt and they tell me I already have one for xx date. I tell them I am in need of seeing the doc before that they say too bad youll have to call in for a same day and your doc wont be available. And there's the issue I have with acid reflux that the VA couldnt figure out after tests blood more blood and more test and sent me to my local ER. I was telling the VA doc that it was acid reflux she even did an aids test to make sure it wasn't that and then she couldn't figure out what it was. Went to the ER was told I had acid reflux got a scrip and was out in 30 mins. Time with VA doc to not diagnose the problem 3 weeks.




GreedyTop -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 5:28:37 PM)

~FR~

thanks SO much for turnign this thread into a political arena..

it was meant as a tribute to veterans, past/present/future.

I dont give a flying fuck what your personal politics are.

I am saddened that certain people polarized this with their personal agendas and got this moved to THIS forum
fuck you very much.




Kirata -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 5:53:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I am saddened that certain people polarized this with their personal agendas...

I'm sorry too.

But it looks like a couple of them are going to get a room together, so maybe they'll be busy for a while. [:D]

K.




pogo4pres -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 5:57:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

thanks SO much for turnign this thread into a political arena..

it was meant as a tribute to veterans, past/present/future.

I dont give a flying fuck what your personal politics are.

I am saddened that certain people polarized this with their personal agendas and got this moved to THIS forum
fuck you very much.


Greedy, I thank you for the effort, but I sort of saw the politicization coming as soon as jaybee spouted his first rant. 

And now a word from Lt. Colonel Nathan R. Jessep :

"Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."



Semper Fidelis,
Some Ex-USAF Knucklehead in NJ




sofldan -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 6:10:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue

Would you care to point out anywhere where I’ve been less than reasonable?

Sure. Your first post stated (with sarcasm quotes around "debate"):

The problem with these threads is that they rapidly (usually almost immediately), descend from “debate” into personal abuse... If certain people aren’t trolling then could they please have the manners to understand the pain that many service personnel have been through (albeit at their own behest I grant you), and more importantly, to show a little restraint and good grace

But later, when LilMichelle says, "I've blocked a couple people on here because their nonsense trolling," you swat her and call it "debate" (my sarcasm quotes this time).

That seems, um... the phrase "less than reasonable" springs to mind [:D]

K.



You don’t think her post was in itself insulting and abusive? Or do manners only matter now when they’re shown towards people you agree with? I didn’t agree with the tone and language of several of the “anti-military” posts either, but I didn’t resort to such language or terminology.

I'd also hardly call it either a "swat" or "unreasonable", but if it pleases you to think so then of course that's entirely your choice. I can only state that offence was not my intent.



No i fail to see where you can call her post abuse. Obviously she like many other disagree with the crap flowing from your mouth and instead of descend further into the mess she did what I should have done originally and just ignore your ignorant self.




sofldan -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 6:12:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Approximately 86% of non-military blue-collar Americans have never left North America.


I would love to know where you got your percentage from.


I've seen figures that say that only 25% of Americans of any category have passports, so I can well believe that figure.

But yes, a definitive reference would be smashing.



Interesting. Up till 9/11, passports werent required for some destinations outside of the US... cruise ships didnt require them either. The US military can travel on their military ID. So, a bit silly using a passport percentage.


Actually since the Clinton era military had to have passports also. Unless it was a undercover (black op).




sofldan -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 6:16:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

Dunno if I ought to mention this, but I've had a few PM's in my inbox - one from a lady on this thread - thanking me for speaking up. There's one in particular, a very sweet one I am ashamed I haven't replied to yet (and I blame you Rapier for distracting me!!!), who of them all really does deserve a "Thank you" and a drink on my tab.


oh listen to mr all high and mighty ... well you aren't the only one who has gotten thank yous but you seem to be the only one who sees the need to enlarge his epeen and post about it.




sofldan -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 6:20:56 PM)

and with that goodnight 




RapierFugue -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 6:30:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sofldan
No i fail to see where you can call her post abuse.


I'm quite certain you do, yes.

It doesn't make you, or her, correct though.




RapierFugue -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 6:32:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pogo4pres

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide


Neither you, nor him, nor anyone else currently in service, “provide” my freedom.

I wrote a great deal more but, as I’m dealing with the blind, holding a candle up isn’t going to achieve much, so out of respect for someone I hold dear I won’t say any more.

PS: To GT: Sorry. I didn't want to speak again, but I have to be true to myself. I hope you understand. I like to think you'd think less of me if I didn't speak up, but that just may be my own delusion.




RapierFugue -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 6:34:16 PM)

Edit posted twice for some reason.




GreedyTop -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 9:24:11 PM)

RF..you certainly are not one of the ones I am irked at..




tazzygirl -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/17/2010 11:26:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sofldan

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Approximately 86% of non-military blue-collar Americans have never left North America.


I would love to know where you got your percentage from.


I've seen figures that say that only 25% of Americans of any category have passports, so I can well believe that figure.

But yes, a definitive reference would be smashing.



Interesting. Up till 9/11, passports werent required for some destinations outside of the US... cruise ships didnt require them either. The US military can travel on their military ID. So, a bit silly using a passport percentage.


Actually since the Clinton era military had to have passports also. Unless it was a undercover (black op).



Your correct. They didnt need them before. But that simply adds to the fact that many people traveled without passports for some time.




Jaybeee -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/18/2010 5:01:59 AM)

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Jaybeee -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/18/2010 5:08:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee


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ORIGINAL: sofldan

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

Dunno if I ought to mention this, but I've had a few PM's in my inbox - one from a lady on this thread - thanking me for speaking up. There's one in particular, a very sweet one I am ashamed I haven't replied to yet (and I blame you Rapier for distracting me!!!), who of them all really does deserve a "Thank you" and a drink on my tab.


oh listen to mr all high and mighty ... well you aren't the only one who has gotten thank yous but you seem to be the only one who sees the need to enlarge his epeen and post about it.






How many people did you murder, grunt-boy?




VideoAdminTheta -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/18/2010 1:32:27 PM)

I’m not going to sanitize this thread, however, it is time to stop making things so personal that we ask about murdering people. We are getting a lot of complaints about this thread and a very fine line is being walked here.

Thank you




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Another Tribute to Veterans (11/18/2010 4:18:47 PM)

Gene Simmons rocks.  He is really a great human being, and you can tell he has raised his kids to care about others.  When he and Sophie went to Marine training, they had fun and cut up with the troops, but when they went to the VA hospital, he looked the guys in the eye, listened to them, I mean really listened, and he and his daughter got teary eyed.

He also loves his momma!  His image is fucked since Family jewels-lol.

Greedy thanks for this thread, I quit reading the replies after page 2 cause I refuse to be dragged down into such a pit of crappola. 

As a vet who served in peacetime, I thank all the ones who served when it was not peacetime, and their families.




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