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ownedbyPF -> The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 4:09:41 AM)

*Perhaps this isn't the best place for this thread, but I figure it will get moved if it isn't*

Master and I recently moved to Italy. We have noticed an amazing number of fake Christmas tree stands being put up and are wonderring if we will be able to get a "live" tree this year. He mentioned that when he lived in Spain you couldn't. He also knows that I have a serious bent toward having a "live one... so basically he was prepping me for the possibility that we might not be able to get one. I made a pouty face, mulled this over, and said I would accept a Lemon tree from the nursery as a stand in! He laughed and said, "it's funny how as our relationship evolves, I find your true hard limits. Eat like a dog, fuck a woman, okay, but a fake tree? Forget it!"

Which made me laugh at the idea of such a conversation when meeting a Dom:

Dom: What are your hard limits?
Sub: Christmas trees, plants, books, Diet Coke, and candles.
Dom: Er, I don't think I follow. Nothing sexual with these items?
Sub: No, I mean I won't give them up.
Dom: Uh, okay, but sex with another woman is okay?
Sub: Yeah, I'm not actually bi, but I can float there if you like it.
Dom: As long as you get a live Christmas tree?
Sub: Yep.

It made me laugh, but it also made me think about how sometimes the really hard stuff isn't the stuff you think about at all. It's the "stupid stuff." Most people think of hard limits, and issues, as being more geared toward the sexual stuff. I've found though that a lot of times the hard stuff is really the every day stuff. The moments when you don't like where he hung a picture, or the movie he wants to watch, or to even watch a movie. There are times when it's something utterly silly and he looks at me and says, "go ahead, stomp your foot, I know you want to." And I do, and then I move on and do the chore/thing he said to do.

So, I was thinking about how people say, "I want o be a slave!" Without realizing that it isn't just the stuff that turns you on! And it occurred to me that it would be interesting/entertaining and helpful for people to hear/share the hardest things you had to get over that you never would have thought about.

For me, it would be actually having to say what I felt! (Geeze, I could like totally sweep it under the rug and forget, I'm sure, but that isn't allowed!) While balancing getting over it when a decision was made.
Skirts all the time (which after three years, I am used to)
Heels
Folding clothes HIS way
Using the right knife for slicing an onion as opposed to chicken (which still totally befuddles me!)[>:]

~ownedbyPF (Who is grateful her Master has never said we had to have a fake tree because if he said it, it would happen)




BonesFromAsh -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 4:56:18 AM)

Cool thread.

I'm NOT a slave type of gal...that's for sure...so my response isn't coming from that place.

I remember when my list of hard limits changed from mainly sexual stuff to reality/life/integrity things.

When I'm secure with my partner, the sex limit lines become blurry. I still won't involve minors, shit or anything public that could cost me my job, but I won't even consider getting to that point if the person is abusive (mentally and physically), a hoarder, is ruled by substances and not by himself or sees women as being 'less than' simply because they have an innie and not an outie, not to mention a host of other character/integrity issues.

Funny thing is, I would expect no less from my partner.

If I became involved with someone who was a professional chef (hey, a girl can dream) and I decided he could only use MY set of knives (not that this would happen...they're MINE) because I thought mine were better, even though HE was the pro and I was just a person who likes to cook...I would hope he'd have the gumption to speak up and say "No, and here's why..."

Maybe it's 'cause I'm NOT coming at this from a 24-7 TPE place, maybe it's because I'm NOT looking for a slave or to be a slave, maybe it's because I see this as just two individuals in a relationship who happen to also be kinky...I don't know.

I do know that 'hard limit' takes on a whole new meaning when faced with some of the limits I mentioned above.

Meh, not sure if that's the type of answer you were going for, but there you have it.

*for the record...I've had both real and fake xmas trees and nothing beats the smell of fresh pine.





DesFIP -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 5:15:31 AM)

I gave up on real trees years ago because the wood stove dries them out, even in the farthest corner of the room. But real ones are better.

As far as I can tell, hurting others is my limit. I would find being with another woman unpleasant but I couldn't bear having to say to her that I found her repellant and she ought to know I would be throwing up as a result of being forced to do this. Nobody should be told that they're so unattractive to you, they make you vomit.

Running out of gas is something I can't deal with. So when the car says there's only 40 miles left, I want to stop and refuel it right then and there, even if we're ten miles away.




AquaticSub -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 5:25:05 AM)

This is something I've mentioned a few times but in a different context. For me a big hard limit is friends and family - I need them in my life and I can't fathom my owner not being able to get along with them. So before any relationship gets too far, I make sure that he gets along with them.

Beyond that, there are my pets, my geekiness, and my make-up. *hugs her make-up box and her comic books* My precious....




SpaceSpank -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 5:27:27 AM)

I don't think anything can be counted as stupid. If it is important to you then it is... that's that.

Sure, maybe from the outside that tree limit may look dumb. But perhaps it always reminds you of a very good memory, maybe it's a promise you made to yourself or someone special long ago. There's a number of reasons why something may be important to a person. As a Master I always want to know these types of things because it is important. My slaves likes, dislikes, preferences, and limitations should all be out in the open. If I went every Christmas with a fake tree and my slave was positively dying inside becasue of it, she would not be doing her duty to me if she was not telling me. Sure, I could say no, but that would be my (admittedly dickish if I had no good reason) choice to ignore that request.




ejmichaels -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 5:30:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedbyPF
Which made me laugh at the idea of such a conversation when meeting a Dom:

Dom: What are your hard limits?
Sub: Christmas trees, plants, books, Diet Coke, and candles.
Dom: Er, I don't think I follow. Nothing sexual with these items?
Sub: No, I mean I won't give them up.
Dom: Uh, okay, but sex with another woman is okay?
Sub: Yeah, I'm not actually bi, but I can float there if you like it.
Dom: As long as you get a live Christmas tree?
Sub: Yep.


I love it!  And so true - I can imagine having that conversation (with different details, since I'm bi and don't want a tree). One of our biggest disagreements has been about how to organize the pantry and other storage areas. SpaceSpank made a good point about the Dom needing to know preferences - we've referred to that as the rule "no suffering without permission".




SpaceSpank -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 6:09:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ejmichaels

I love it!  And so true - I can imagine having that conversation (with different details, since I'm bi and don't want a tree). One of our biggest disagreements has been about how to organize the pantry and other storage areas. SpaceSpank made a good point about the Dom needing to know preferences - we've referred to that as the rule "no suffering without permission".



It's a good rule. It's also practical.
If my slave does something that requires punishment, but she secretly enjoys what I am doing without saying, then I am not providing what I intend to provide. It's a sneaky way for the slave to get something they enjoy.
If I am truly punishing my slave for something, I want it to be an actual punishment. The enjoyable punishments are for play times.
Likewise if she is not happy and lets it fester, she will not continue to be the best slave for me. Even if you look at it out of total self interest it is still important.

Honesty and communication are paramount in any relationship, and it holds just as true here, sometimes even more so.




browneyedbbwsub -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 6:22:04 AM)

I don't get real trees anymore. My allergies flair up bad with a real tree in the house. Besides, it is not cool/cold here, so it dries out fast. I stick with a real looking artificial tree now. 




LadyConstanze -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 6:22:13 AM)

LOL, for me a Christmas tree in the house is a hard limit, no kids so I really see no reason for it.




sunshinemiss -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 7:00:51 AM)

My music.  Oh gosh, I was with someone with *totally* different musical taste than mine and I thought I was gonna die! 

best,
sunshine




VaguelyCurious -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 7:18:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ejmichaels

we've referred to that as the rule "no suffering without permission".

Best rule name ever. I love it [:D]




NuevaVida -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 7:24:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

My music.  Oh gosh, I was with someone with *totally* different musical taste than mine and I thought I was gonna die! 

best,
sunshine

Oh god yes.  The ex liked folk music and show tunes.  Seriously.  I spent a LOT of time deleting all that from my iTunes LOL.

I recently discovered a new shock when my owner held up a leopard print skirt and wanted me to try it on.  I exclaimed, "I'm not Peg Bundy!!!"

So now leopard and zebra print need to go on the list. [;)]

Although now he might make me wear it, just for kicks (his kicks).  I'd rather die....




sunshinemiss -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 7:34:19 AM)

I call that animal print stuff "wooby".  *Blech.

Night folks.




LadyConstanze -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 7:46:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I call that animal print stuff "wooby".  *Blech.

Night folks.



Hahahahaha I made my Doberman a leopard print coat since it's getting cold and her real doggie coat is a waterproof one. When I leave her 5 minutes outside a shop or supermarket she puts the big show of "I've been left for hours and I am really freezing to death" on and I get nasty comments and filthy looks, so a nice plushy big coat for her ;) She blends in now with the locals, who always give their Chiuwawas and Yorkshire Terriers cute little jackets and hats ;)




anniezz338 -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 7:48:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedbyPF

Which made me laugh at the idea of such a conversation when meeting a Dom:

Dom: What are your hard limits?
Sub: Christmas trees, plants, books, Diet Coke, and candles.
Dom: Er, I don't think I follow. Nothing sexual with these items?
Sub: No, I mean I won't give them up.
Dom: Uh, okay, but sex with another woman is okay?
Sub: Yeah, I'm not actually bi, but I can float there if you like it.
Dom: As long as you get a live Christmas tree?
Sub: Yep.



lol....good one. And a great point, made me think. I would want a pet, as I love animals. And I bet it would be an issue with some.




Darkfeather -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 9:01:29 AM)

Everyone has limits. Its part of being human. They just become a point of focus in a D/s or M/s relationship because those limits can really become an issue. And really, not every limit we have is sexual, or even rational. One person may not like things colored blue, another might not like ice in their drinks. In a vanilla relationship, the negotiation of limits between partners is called compromise. You get to know your mate over time, and you accept these quirks. Either you deal with them, or you move on. Its the same in a kinky relationship, just more out in the open. We kinksters just tend to discuss our major ones more. These compromises are why limits get relaxed, partners get used to each other, trust is built.




lovingpet -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 9:45:17 AM)

He is currently attempting to convert me to eating my steak rare when I am a 100% well done kind of girl.  The texture makes me wretch a little and I don't think it's gonna work out.  He hates chicken and carrots.  How on earth do I cook without chicken and carrots and avoid the steak issue too???  Accccckkk!!!!  He likes the "natural" look for me and I love to hunker down behind my make up, mature and dressy clothes, and such.  And I have yet to fathom, though I just go with it, why telephone calls from ANYBODY bug the ever loving crap out of him.  And the one that is foremost in my mind when climbing a step ladder, getting behind the wheel of the car, or some other potentially dangerous task including trying to do too much in a day is his hard limit.  There will be NO dying without permission!  We laughed like idiots in the middle of an IHOP for about 20 minutes over that one.  And after all the laughing he asked what I thought I was laughing at since that would be VERY unslavely behavior on my part.  It's still just utterly hysterical!  I guess you had to be there.  [&:]

lovingpet




TheOldMan -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 12:11:11 PM)

GREAT thread
My approach has always been acknowledge mutual interests then back off a bit, go on a couple/few nilla dates and get to know each other for just the reasons stated.

Oddly enough though it more often has led to being told I'm not aggressive enough or that I'm moving too close too fast for wanting to know someone as an indivdual first.

People come in all kinds of packages.




ownedbyPF -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 12:46:34 PM)

Well, I have thoroughly enjoyed the replies so far, thanks! It was cool to read them an giggle, especially since I was a tad grouchy... what can I say.. kids. how come you can't sell them on Ebay??? Anyhow, I wanted to reply to just about every post! There is always the question... reply to each seperately or do them all in one post? I'm going with one post for the sake of brevity on the readers part ;)

BonesfromAsh: Heh, He promised that if we have to go the fake route we can get a Salt City Pine scent Candle... they are the best and seriously smell like the real thing.. whew! I agree that there are, or at least should be hard limits of that sort in place before getting involved with anyone. Kinda like I said in another post... I chose not to get involved with someone I was pretty certain wasn't going to want to decapitate me[;)] Then there are things like... how are they with the kids, the dog, and so on. I imagine that you do come at it with a different perspective, but one I enjoyed hearing!

DesFip: Yeah, I think perhaps that might be going a bit further with honesty than most appreciate :) The gas thing made me laugh. He doesn't stop for gas nearly as often as I do... meaning that if i"m low, I'm like omg... He knows it's only ten miles and so he waits! This is a perfect example of one of those moments that being a slave or sub (depending on the realtionship) is harder than you realize! My inclination was to freak out the first few times, then I slowly reminded myself that he hasn't ever actually run out of gas... like ever... so perhaps he didn't need me to point out his desperate need for gas! So, I shut up, breathed, and now I'm okay with it, but it took getting used to. The kind of thing you don't even think about having to get used to before it happens!

Aquaticsub: HA! OMG! Sometimes I wish he would ban me from my crazy family! Having said that, yeah, I agree, him getting along with them is very important. The truth is... He handles them better than I do and frankly, I really needed that in a Master :) He left my make up alone... he likes it (thanks be to God!) but he made me grow my hair out... that was a hard one!

SpaceSpank: My Master thinks the same way. If not having a tree is sending me into an internal meltdown, I damn well better tell him why, because as you say, it might be much more significant than just the tree. He still decides, but he wants all the info before he decides. I called it the stupid stuff because sometimes it is stupid, and sometimes it's the craziest smallest thing that makes you go... god! Being a slave can be really hard sometimes! It is simply his preference over mine and so that's how it's done and lots of times, I don't care, but every now and then there is some dumb thing that makes you go... argh, stomp, k.

ejmichaels: Love the pantry example and adore the rule name! It's all perfect!

Sunshine: Wow, music.. see that's one I hadn't thought of.. I don't even know how I would cope. I don't know how you made it through, but I'm glad you did[:D] I'm making light, but seriously, that would be a really hard one to deal with. I have hard time biting my tongue when he turns down my favortie song[:o] then I get on over it. That's a lot better than never even getting to hear it!

NuevaVida: Show tunes? Really?? Omg! You touched on an experience I had. My Owner is all about skirts and well, a certain look. He took me shopping. I thought I would die! Drop dead on the store floor. He didn't ask my input, just draped clothes in my arms and sent me into the dressing room. Okay, it was weird not to have any say in my clothes, but it wasn't just that... it was some of the things he put on my arms.. I was like, omg, please, please, pleeeeease don't make me wear this, ever, ever, in my whole entire life, pleeeease! I didn't say anything though, I just took the clothes, tried them on, came out for him to look... Thank You God for giving me a Man with taste! All the things that had made me cringe he ruled out when he saw them on!

Lovingpet: That story cracked me up even if I wasn't there! I'm going to touch more on what you said in my response to Darkfeather :)

Darkfeather: Ah, well you got to the heart of my musings. There is a difference, at least for me, in being a slave vs in a vanilla relationship. When I was in a regular relationship I could be quite demanding about compromises.. I belived in compromises. That isn't to say that I didn't bend, but let's say I wanted this room blue, and he wanted it white.. I would have gone with a light blue, or something we could both live with. Now, living as a slave, that doesn't happen. Now, I say, I think this room would look pretty in blue and he would say I hate blue, I want it yellow... and that would be it... it would be yellow. There isn't compromise. There is... explaining why I want a pet (anniezz ;) ) and him saying yea or nay. I don't decide how to cook the steak (lovingpet;) been there, omg.. and I am here to tell you, I now love medium rare, and rare even more), or where to shop, or what to wear, or when to get gas, or how to arrange the pantry, or anything else. Does he care how I do the pantry? Not really, but he might say, the cans need to be moved they get in the way of my reaching for the protein powder every morning. Or I might say, I think this room would be pretty in blue, and he thinks about it, decided he doesn't care and says, okay.

I realize that relationships are different. Subs (in general) have more compromising power (for lack of a better term) than slaves (in general.) Lol, how many qualifiers can I fit in here? Anyhow, they differ. SOme slaves have more decision making abilities than others and so on. However, in any relationship where it is based on some power exchange, some sense of a final authroity, there are going to be moments that you have to suck it up. Some of those moments that make you look petulant for a minute and inwardly stomp your foot, and think fuck! This is hard! Are over things you never would have rated as anything worth mentioning. They aren't the big ticket items.... they are the pantries, steaks, and Christmas trees. (Oh and corsetts, have you ever had to wear one, really? Like under clothes, out shopping? OMFG!) But that's the way the D/M/O/whatever likes it and so that's the way you do it [;)] Sometimes though, it's fascinating to think, I'm flipping out over the tree, yeeeeet I drink his piss without blinking?! really?!?

~ownedbyPF




CreativeDominant -> RE: The Stupid Stuff (11/16/2010 12:57:00 PM)

Interesting thread...and the "stupid but necessary" stuff extends to us dominants too.  I am a night owl...love to read or watch T.V. late and get up at 7:30, shave and shower and head to work. ( I start at 9 but work until 6 or later.)I had a submissive who just could not fall asleep with the T.V. on or the lights on so it was a bump for us.  Nothing sexual, nothing BDSM, nothing D/s...just a "couples" thing which, in all reality, could NOT be solved by D/s OR sex OR BDSM.  It took good old-fashioned back and forth.  Communication.  Introspection.  God, why is that soooooooooooo hard for some people? 




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