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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 2:40:42 PM   
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Or you could go through the scanner and no one will lay a hand on you.


Not me.  That is like climbing into a microwave oven.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 2:43:07 PM   
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Or you could go through the scanner and no one will lay a hand on you.


It's still invasive.

At some point we have to decide whether we want safety at all costs regardless of the personal intrusion.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 2:44:08 PM   
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Can we request that a member of the OPPOSITE sex pats us down?

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 2:46:53 PM   
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“By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights.” TSA supervisor. Why ?

What rights will we soon give up to say...buy a house or just to go to grandmas ? This is how it all starts kinkroids.

"He said the investigation could lead to prosecution and civil penalties of up to $11,000."
Why ? A fine for not being scanned and not getting on the plane ?

KINKROIDS take heed...this is exactly how the Nazis started and brought their fascism to fruition. Everything the Nazis did...was legal.

" Well if you have nothing to hide ?"  The big brother ruse for you to voluntarily allow govt. encroachment on our rights. Then what ? The state will have carte blanche in violating any remaining rights...that's what. Soon they will take your right to bear arms then your right to vote. Watch you young'ns...it's coming.



Oooooh Nazis. How clever and original.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 2:46:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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Or you could go through the scanner and no one will lay a hand on you.


It's still invasive.

At some point we have to decide whether we want safety at all costs regardless of the personal intrusion.



I agree 100%.

(people fainting over this- never before did we agree on 2 posts in one week. )

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 2:51:49 PM   
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Can we request that a member of the OPPOSITE sex pats us down?


I would even agree to a strip search if she was HAWT.

Coming to think of it, I would  even offer to be strip searched, if she was HAWT.

In fact, I would exercise my Constitutional rights and demand to be strip searched.............if she was HAWT.

That is in the Constitution, right?

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:09:28 PM   
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Can we request that a member of the OPPOSITE sex pats us down?


I would even agree to a strip search if she was HAWT.

Coming to think of it, I would  even offer to be strip searched, if she was HAWT.

In fact, I would exercise my Constitutional rights and demand to be strip searched.............if she was HAWT.

That is in the Constitution, right?



Where you gonna achieve THAT?

Sounds rather surreal.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:12:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

“By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights.” TSA supervisor. Why ?

What rights will we soon give up to say...buy a house or just to go to grandmas ? This is how it all starts kinkroids.

"He said the investigation could lead to prosecution and civil penalties of up to $11,000."
Why ? A fine for not being scanned and not getting on the plane ?

KINKROIDS take heed...this is exactly how the Nazis started and brought their fascism to fruition. Everything the Nazis did...was legal.

" Well if you have nothing to hide ?"  The big brother ruse for you to voluntarily allow govt. encroachment on our rights. Then what ? The state will have carte blanche in violating any remaining rights...that's what. Soon they will take your right to bear arms then your right to vote. Watch you young'ns...it's coming.



Oooooh Nazis. How clever and original.


This reply-  it seems antagonistic.  

It is likely that MrR has much higher standards then you do.   You might not mind the groping--- but others value their personal space- and if that is not nazi- then I require an explanation as to why.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:23:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

“By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights.” TSA supervisor. Why ?

What rights will we soon give up to say...buy a house or just to go to grandmas ? This is how it all starts kinkroids.

"He said the investigation could lead to prosecution and civil penalties of up to $11,000."
Why ? A fine for not being scanned and not getting on the plane ?

KINKROIDS take heed...this is exactly how the Nazis started and brought their fascism to fruition. Everything the Nazis did...was legal.

" Well if you have nothing to hide ?"  The big brother ruse for you to voluntarily allow govt. encroachment on our rights. Then what ? The state will have carte blanche in violating any remaining rights...that's what. Soon they will take your right to bear arms then your right to vote. Watch you young'ns...it's coming.



Oooooh Nazis. How clever and original.


This reply-  it seems antagonistic.  

It is likely that MrR has much higher standards then you do.   You might not mind the groping--- but others value their personal space- and if that is not nazi- then I require an explanation as to why.



Get scanned, get groped or buy a bus ticket. You have a choice.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:32:48 PM   
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What makes this all so sad, is that the terrorists will find a way.   As far as I know (and Im not in the loop), the body scan doesn't show internal cavities.  If they can smuggle drugs into the country via mules, why not explosives?    

If people are objecting a pat down, I wonder how a full body cavity search will go over!  

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:32:51 PM   
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So the nazis used to grab your junk to see if you was cut at the flueghof?


Actually I think that they did something or other to check if a male was circumcised.  Some sort of short-arm inspection. 

No, I have no source and I am not sure where I got that tid-bit of info from. 

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:34:11 PM   
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  As far as I know (and Im not in the loop), the body scan doesn't show internal cavities. 


No..it shows what is INSIDE the internal cavities, just like an Xray does.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:49:37 PM   
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Get scanned, get groped or buy a bus ticket. You have a choice./snip

whose country exactly do you think this is?

you completely miss the point that the idea is to roll out this function to ALL AREAS OF SOCIETY.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:51:29 PM   
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TSA to Air Travelers: Drop Dead


TSA now boasts that it has its controversial full body scanners in every major U.S. airport, which it seems to think is quite the accomplishment. Unfortunately, as Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano tours the country trying to sell this turd of an idea, she’s navigating a PR disaster. But she’s not giving ground, insisting that the scanners are safe, necessary and asking for the public to “be patient.” That’s government speak for “drop dead if you don’t like it.” If I’m patient while a stranger is fondling my private parts, will I eventually get used to it? With no effort on my part, my inbox has filled with quite a few messages on this topic and several Web sites have blossomed in support of an organized protest. The general gist of these is that the searches may or may not be violations of the Fourth Amendment, but they are in any case, abusive, intrusive, ineffective and unnecessary. In principle, the courts have supported such searches under administrative search doctrine. But they have not yet reviewed the scanner/aggressive pat down procedures in detail. Moreover, did you know that if you refuse the scanner and the pat down and decide not to fly, you are subject to civil penalties? If that’s not government overreach, I don’t know what is. There are cases headed for the docket. Apart from the absurdity of the security argument, Napolitano has claimed two things that I predict will prove her undoing. First, that the radiation exposure from the scanners is too low to be a worry and second that the images are deleted after viewing. Because people in government have a tendency to say things to soothe the masses that bear no resemblance to reality, I’ll bet there’s a study out there somewhere raising real questions about radiation exposure, TSA will be shown to be aware of it and it will eventually surface. Two airline unions have already advised their pilots to avoid the scanners for this reason. Although TSA claims the imagery is deleted after viewing, somewhere, somehow a collection of these images is going to make it onto the Web, the result of some fun-loving TSA employees not having gotten the memo. This embarrassment will come at some politically inopportune time. That’s just the way things seem to work in the modern world. And just to show how wacky and crazy those TSA guys and gals really are, gizmodo reported that the image shown here was used as a screen saver on a TSA computer in Indianapolis. Cute.
What do about this? A recent poll by CBS news revealed that 80 percent of respondents support the scanner idea, 15 percent don’t. I suspect the 15 percent are the ones actually doing most of the traveling. Some of those 80 percenters may change their minds after getting groped. But if you like the direction TSA is going, you can send a fan letter to TSA here. A number of Web sites have been erected to challenge TSA. This one proposes an on-airport protest movement. The ACLU is organizing court challenges on privacy and Fourth Amendment grounds. (Full disclosure: I sent them a contribution in support of the cause.) Two other organizations, The Association of Airline Passenger Rights and Flyers Rights are also active in this area. Another group wants a contribution to organize a FedEx-delivered letter campaign to every member of the new Congress. I find this site a little too far out there for my sensibilities, but you can take it for what it’s worth. They have the right idea, which is to convince Congress to establish limits on what TSA can do. They could find fertile ground in the Tea Party crowd. And by the way, what would you do if you were in charge of TSA? The comment section is open. I would yank or limit the scanners and eliminate the wide use of pat downs. I’d keep the current baggage scanners and metal detectors and use them to set a threshold for probable cause that would be a gateway for an interview, as El Al now does with every passenger. It has proven successful. This would allow TSA to stop treating us all as common criminals. None of this guarantees that an airliner won’t be blown up. Nothing will do that. As a civilization, we just have to accept that. But I think the tradeoff is worth not being abused every time you fly, since the abuse isn’t effective security anyway.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 3:57:24 PM   
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The terrorists have won.


7-7  london train bombing-   so of course same scans will be required for trains-- for your safety of course.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 4:08:52 PM   
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you completely miss the point that the idea is to roll out this function to ALL AREAS OF SOCIETY.



sure it is.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 4:19:26 PM   
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you completely miss the point that the idea is to roll out this function to ALL AREAS OF SOCIETY.



sure it is.


My body I treat as a temple.   I have self respect.  I value myself.  I have standards.

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 4:27:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

you completely miss the point that the idea is to roll out this function to ALL AREAS OF SOCIETY.



sure it is.


My body I treat as a temple.   I have self respect.  I value myself.  I have standards.



so do I. And one of the main standards is my body is going to die because some moron wont get x-rayed.


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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 4:30:53 PM   
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We all are going to die.   

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RE: UPDATE: TSA to investigate resister... - 11/16/2010 4:35:09 PM   
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you completely miss the point that the idea is to roll out this function to ALL AREAS OF SOCIETY.



sure it is.


Been to a NFL game recently?

Pat Down Searches at NFL Games – Bye Bye Fourth Amendment

Motion for Injunction to Prevent NFL Pat-Down

Pursuant to Florida R. Civ. P. 1.610, the Plaintiff asks this Court to enjoin the Defendants from conducting suspicionless pat-down searches of football patrons at Raymond James Stadium.

The Florida Constitution provides: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, and against the unreasonable interception of private communications by any means, shall not be violated.”




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