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Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices!


Just what the UK needs to cheer us all up. Hurrah for the UK Royals!
  18% (8)
Not really bothered, but good for them. Nice enough couple
  56% (25)
Parasites, only good for distracting us from the mess the State's made
  25% (11)


Total Votes : 44
(last vote on : 12/8/2010 1:34:27 AM)
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PeonForHer -> Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 11:37:12 AM)

Prince William and Kate Middleton have announced their engagement.  What does the world think? 




pahunkboy -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 11:51:40 AM)

Her accent is to extreme so she ought to tone it down.

I like the gal... I think she will be fine.




pogo4pres -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 12:21:41 PM)

FR

I read somewhere years ago, that is costs the British tax payers a couple billion quid a year to maintain the royal family.  If the figure has gone up or down I do not know.  Nor quite frankly do I really care being as I am a citizen of the United States. 

There will be the usual media fawning over this non-event here in the US much as there was when Prince Charles married the attractive amiable airhead in 1981. 


Non-Royally,
Some Knucklehead in NJ




pahunkboy -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 12:23:36 PM)

Lets not forget the trash known as Camilla. 




PeonForHer -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 12:28:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pogo4pres
There will be the usual media fawning over this non-event here in the US much as there was when Prince Charles married the attractive amiable airhead in 1981. 


My Dad met Diana once.  Sadly, he was unable to report that she was very attractive in the flesh.  Nice eyes, though.




myotherself -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 12:57:25 PM)

Frankly I'm annoyed.

ITV cancelled Corrie to spend an hour wittering on about some posh bloke marrying his posh bird.

Don't they know Jack Duckworth just died? I'm in mourning! Insensitive bastids...


This will make no sense at all to the furriners...[:D]




hertz -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 1:58:18 PM)

That's just what we fucking need - another posh mouth to feed. 




LaTigresse -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 1:58:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Prince William and Kate Middleton have announced their engagement.  What does the world think? 


This part of the world doesn't really care.




PeonForHer -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 2:40:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
This part of the world doesn't really care.


I do find it funny, La T.  The right wing in the USA seems to care as little about the UK royals as does the left wing there.  Very, very few people here who'd place themselves on the right of the spectrum, or even on the centre, would call themselves non-supporters.   




Politesub53 -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 5:01:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pogo4pres

FR

I read somewhere years ago, that is costs the British tax payers a couple billion quid a year to maintain the royal family.  If the figure has gone up or down I do not know.  Nor quite frankly do I really care being as I am a citizen of the United States. 

There will be the usual media fawning over this non-event here in the US much as there was when Prince Charles married the attractive amiable airhead in 1981. 


Non-Royally,
Some Knucklehead in NJ


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Its never cost that much for the Royal family Its around £40 Million. Much of the cost is recovered through tourism. If only that shambles known as the EU was half as cheap to run.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 5:03:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Prince William and Kate Middleton have announced their engagement.  What does the world think?


Who and who?

Firm




Aylee -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/17/2010 6:38:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Prince William and Kate Middleton have announced their engagement.  What does the world think?


Who and who?

Firm



SAR helicopter pilot and his cousin 12 times removed and "best-dressed" fashion icon. 

Does that help?




LaTigresse -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/18/2010 3:48:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
This part of the world doesn't really care.


I do find it funny, La T.  The right wing in the USA seems to care as little about the UK royals as does the left wing there.  Very, very few people here who'd place themselves on the right of the spectrum, or even on the centre, would call themselves non-supporters.   



Based upon what I saw when the whole Charles and Di thing was in full blown ridiculousness.......the only people in the US that gave a damn were unhappy, unrealistically romantic, women of all ages. The sort that buy cheesy romance novels and Enquirer magazine at the same time.

I think the rest of us, at least I am, are slightly puzzled at the notion of having royalty. Especially when you have a government that only seems to give the monarch a courteous nod in the process of governing.




PeonForHer -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/18/2010 4:12:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Its never cost that much for the Royal family Its around £40 Million. Much of the cost is recovered through tourism.


£180 million, if you factor in the cost of security forces to look after them, plus the Queen's and Chas's income from the lands they own.  (According to the Daily Express website.)  Nobody knows how much they bring in for tourism.  It's the most expensive royal family in Europe.




PeonForHer -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/18/2010 4:32:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
Based upon what I saw when the whole Charles and Di thing was in full blown ridiculousness.......the only people in the US that gave a damn were unhappy, unrealistically romantic, women of all ages. The sort that buy cheesy romance novels and Enquirer magazine at the same time.


The UK monarchy survives today because so many people here are fond of the institution.  They're taught to be fond of the royals from a very early age.  Most of the media gives it uncritical support most of the time and the coverage is relentless. The search for a rationale for the monarchy's continued existence beyond that fondness usually collapses. 




Aneirin -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/18/2010 5:00:13 AM)

Ah, so it is them that is getting married, I did wonder what all this fuss about marriage was in what media I actually caught in the past few weeks. But it is I have stepped back from viewing the media as it is I know detrimental to my well being.

So the prince and his bird are getting married, first thought is so what, second is I hope it lasts for their sake and third thought is good for them, cynicism first as that is what I have come to expect from media, they will milk this as much as they can and reveal the title tattle when they unearth it to throw sour light on the couple and god help them if the marriage ever floats near rocks for the media will speak with a forked tongue hoping whichever way is most profitable.

The UK royalty, well my sense is, if it weren't for the media to remind us, we would forget about them, as to a waste of money, well that is debatable, they help with tourism likes animals in a zoo people playing spot the royal just like those in a zoo watching for the shy creature in a cage, such a spectacle they have become, but their days are numbered, they know that that is why they allow and put up with the scruffy collared yob that is the media reporting on their lives, a necessary evil to survive.

But at least one thing can be said for them which is something our politicians are too chicken shit to do, they involve themselves in the bloodiest of battles this country fights when in conflict with others, for many of them have seen active service and still do, a duty they know as leaders and as leaders they do what they ask others to do, leading by example is always a better way to get the best from fighting men.




allthatjaz -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/18/2010 6:49:25 AM)

Aha.. I didn't know you had started another post here about it!
I'll bring my other posts here... I would also like to add that the Daily Express are talking bullshit. The royal accounts, which include revenue are available to download on PDF's for anyone who wants them

1) Tourist revenues are huge and are going up an average of 11% a year. Last year alone, £500,000000 was spent by overseas visitors on attractions associated with the royal family.
That doesn't include those 30 million tourists paying for hotels, restaurants, coffee shops, taxis, as well as spending money in our struggling shops. The revenue these tourists bring in is huge.
I understand that London does have tourism markets outside of the royal family, but they are probably the main thing that attracts tourists to Britain.

As for being a waste of time, what’s the alternative? More politicians’? Politicians’ cost us a lot more, for much less in return.

2) The French are in the lead but they don't get the big spenders from Japan like we do. We may not have open palaces but we do have the pomp and ceremony and although I personally find that yawn worthy, that's what the Japanese come here to see and right now, we need their yen.
The royal family pay their own debts, unlike our government.

3) I believe we contribute something like 62p a year per head in tax towards the royal family. I dread to think how much tax we pay our MP’s
Money paid to the queen comes from the crown estate, which she owns as a hereditary sovereign. The crown lands are managed by the government and earns a revenue of billions of pounds a year. This money goes back to the civil list and a portion of it is paid directly to the queen as a wage. The surplus goes to the treasury.
She also has a private income from the Duchy of Lancaster which is a huge amount of land.

I may come over as a royalist but there are things I strongly disagree with. I don’t agree that the queens tax contribution should be voluntary and I certainly don’t agree with the queen escaping inheritance tax on her mothers properties.
I think minor members of the royal family (too many to mention) shouldn’t be receiving state funds and I do think the queen should be paying in full for this wedding.

4) (In reply to Peon saying the French made a lot more money in their French palace)
I feel like we are picking at straws here!
If you have been reading the Buckingham Palace website, then you know that our palace isn't open every day of the week from 9 till 5 for tourists. Its actually only open in August and September. What your saying is misleading to anyone who doesn't know, that Buckingham Palace is only one of the many royal attractions and that the most visited attraction is The Tower of London, keeper of the crown jewels and the Beefeater. Coming up a close second is Hampton court. Then there's Kensington Palace, Kew Palace, The Royal Mews and the royal parks. Outer London London has other attractions like Windsor castle. On top of that there are ceremonies like changing of the guards and horse guards parade.

5)I would be interested Peon, to have your view on what would happen to the UK with the abolition of the monarchy?
Do you think we would be financially better off? and if so how? Do you think we would pay less taxes?
Do you think one leader (President) that not only had all the power but all the authority too would be good for us?
At the moment politicians are unable to scheme or shoot their way into first position. If we had no monarchy that door would be left wide open.
Believe it or not, I used to think that the monarchy was a total waste of money but I have come to realize that in our political system, its good to have a referee.

I have listened to too many ‘against’ arguments based on envy and spite and not enough good political argument as to why we would be better off.







allthatjaz -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/18/2010 6:54:09 AM)

I will add one more thing.

We have particular left wing newspapers in the UK that would like nothing more than to see our monarchy gone. Depending which paper you read, your views will differ accordingly... (I just don't bother reading any!)

Our recent government and certain media, insisted that our future lies in Europe and that went on until the queen mother died. The grief of literally millions of UK citizens and others from around the world, frightened our ‘then’ government and curbed what the media were saying, because they suddenly understood the power of symbolism.





Aneirin -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/18/2010 7:07:47 AM)

I am not a royalist and if it comes down to that age old civil war nomenclature, I am not a parliamentarian either, but I accept the royalty as mentioned in previous post, but only wished that some of the sense they spout would be of use in politics, but they are prevented from getting involved, so perhaps have less rights than us for I believe they do not even have a vote.

But as the civil war came about to curb the royalist power in favour of people power, I now feel it has gone the other way for the parliamentarians now see themselves as the elite, no longer the voice of the public unless the media says so.

Some of the royals have broken the silence and spoke and the country albeit through condemnation has heeded their word, but I believe it is time they were allowed a say on what we are being trained to believe. People power is not working it is just as corrupt as what it replaced, so perhaps the future is a parity between the two or something very different entirely for what we have, well voter turn out at election time shows the interest is fading.




PeonForHer -> RE: Young Man and Woman to Get Married - UK Rejoices! (11/18/2010 11:24:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Aha.. I didn't know you had started another post here about it!
I'll bring my other posts here... I would also like to add that the Daily Express are talking bullshit. The royal accounts, which include revenue are available to download on PDF's for anyone who wants them


The Daily Express has always been a staunchly pro-royal newspaper.  If it were to have any bias, it would be to underestimate the costs of the royals.  Thus the figure I, and the Express, mention doesn't factor the 'opportunity costs' of their assets.  These are the amounts of money that may be earned were the royals not to own them.  How much, do you think, could be charged for renting Bucking Palace for a year?  And then there's Windsor, Hampton Court, Kensington Palace, Balmoral . . . .

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1) Tourist revenues are huge and are going up an average of 11% a year. Last year alone, £500,000000 was spent by overseas visitors on attractions associated with the royal family.


Could you quote your source for that half a billion? 


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I understand that London does have tourism markets outside of the royal family, but they are probably the main thing that attracts tourists to Britain..


Seriously, do you really believe this?   What is the basis for that belief?


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As for being a waste of time, what’s the alternative? More politicians’? Politicians’ cost us a lot more, for much less in return.


Oh I don't know.  Churchill helped massively to save this country from an invasion, while Edward and Wallace Simpson was selling us out to the Nazis.  See the other thread and my other post.  Really, though, it's meaningless to say the royal family give us so much and politicians so little.  All you're saying here is that you like royalty but not politicians. 

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2) The French are in the lead but they don't get the big spenders from Japan like we do. We may not have open palaces but we do have the pomp and ceremony and although I personally find that yawn worthy, that's what the Japanese come here to see and right now, we need their yen.


Do you have figures for Japanese tourists and their attraction to our royals, specifically?  It's unlikely to be more than a tiny proportion of the total figures that are relevant.

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The royal family pay their own debts, unlike our government.


See above.  This sort of statement is meaningless beyond your expressing a fondness for the royals but not for politicians.  Are you really claiming that the Queen Mother - who had 83 full-time staff and spent so many millions that even the arch-Tory, Norman Lamont, criticised her for far exceeding the civil list and was, to boot, a Nazi sympathiser when the rest of the country was fighting them - was value for money? 

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3) Money paid to the queen comes from the crown estate, which she owns as a hereditary sovereign. The crown lands are managed by the government and earns a revenue of billions of pounds a year. This money goes back to the civil list and a portion of it is paid directly to the queen as a wage. The surplus goes to the treasury.


True, but the crown need not own it.  There's nothing 'natural' and 'self-evidently right' about the Crown owning it.  To say that it's the Crown's by right because the Queen's ancestors fought for it is ludicrous because it invites the obvious retort, 'OK, it's fine for us to fight again for it now, then'.  As mentioned above and elsewhere, it'd be a lot more profitable in public hands.


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4) etc 


- Answered here . 




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