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World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 1:25:51 AM   
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World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A third of Americans say they have gone without medical care or skipped filling a prescription because of cost,
compared to 5 percent in the Netherlands, according to study released on Thursday.

The study is the latest in a series by the non-profit Commonwealth Fund showing that while Americans pay far more
per capita for healthcare, they are unhappier with the results and less healthy than people in other rich countries.

The study published in the journal Health Affairs also showed that 20 percent of U.S. adults had major problems paying medical bills,
compared with 2 percent in Britain and 9 percent in France, the next costliest country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_healthcare_world;_ylt=ApPTg6DWlPqGEhTH6E0tRwGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJwNWtscDF2BGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTAxMTE4L3VzX3VzYV9oZWFsdGhjYXJlX3dvcmxkBGNwb3MDMwRwb3MDMTEEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDd29ybGRjb21wYXJp
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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 3:37:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 4:09:18 AM   
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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me


Because we hate you socialist commies and we are the best at everything.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 4:43:54 AM   
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I must have got it walking down the street. Nope! Not thier problem! MRSA just happens. Motherfucker quacks.

I'm not paying their bills, until they admit they totally fucked up on maintaining sterile environments.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 5:09:00 AM   
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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me



This government is more controlled by private interests than in any other developed country, by far. It's essentially just a more sophisticated and polished version of third world government on a large scale. As just one example, Monsanto has one of their sharks well in place at the FDA and USDA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Taylor  and essentially writing a proposed law that will virtually eliminate naturally grown food.   http://farmwars.info/?p=594

This sort of thing goes on constantly here. The insurance companies wrote the health coverage law, the finance industries pushed through deregulation, got a few hundred billions as reward for wrecking the economy, then wrote the ensuing financial reform law.

Just SOP here.

The corporate media do the job of making people want to give as much as possible to very rich people, especially tax money, while making them hate poor people.

Those that object or even try to point out these everyday workings are usually shouted down by much of the populace and ridiculed by the media.

For being such a putatively freedom loving people, it's amazing how easily led by the leash many of them are.


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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 5:17:40 AM   
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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me


Do you have a link to the article that said a third of americans have no healthcare coverage? I looked and the highest figure I found was 15%.  Perhaps you got it from the same bull shit source that told you americans like playing high costs for coverage. No wonder you're so confused.


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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 5:46:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me



This government is more controlled by private interests than in any other developed country, by far. It's essentially just a more sophisticated and polished version of third world government on a large scale. As just one example, Monsanto has one of their sharks well in place at the FDA and USDA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Taylor  and essentially writing a proposed law that will virtually eliminate naturally grown food.   http://farmwars.info/?p=594

This sort of thing goes on constantly here. The insurance companies wrote the health coverage law, the finance industries pushed through deregulation, got a few hundred billions as reward for wrecking the economy, then wrote the ensuing financial reform law.

Just SOP here.

The corporate media do the job of making people want to give as much as possible to very rich people, especially tax money, while making them hate poor people.

Those that object or even try to point out these everyday workings are usually shouted down by much of the populace and ridiculed by the media.

For being such a putatively freedom loving people, it's amazing how easily led by the leash many of them are.




Thank you for a clear and coherent explanation.


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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 5:50:19 AM   
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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 5:54:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me



This government is more controlled by private interests than in any other developed country, by far. It's essentially just a more sophisticated and polished version of third world government on a large scale. As just one example, Monsanto has one of their sharks well in place at the FDA and USDA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Taylor  and essentially writing a proposed law that will virtually eliminate naturally grown food.   http://farmwars.info/?p=594

This sort of thing goes on constantly here. The insurance companies wrote the health coverage law, the finance industries pushed through deregulation, got a few hundred billions as reward for wrecking the economy, then wrote the ensuing financial reform law.

Just SOP here.

The corporate media do the job of making people want to give as much as possible to very rich people, especially tax money, while making them hate poor people.

Those that object or even try to point out these everyday workings are usually shouted down by much of the populace and ridiculed by the media.

For being such a putatively freedom loving people, it's amazing how easily led by the leash many of them are.



How better else to keep people under the corporate thumb than to stop seed production on family farms....

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 5:59:55 AM   
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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me


Do you have a link to the article that said a third of americans have no healthcare coverage? I looked and the highest figure I found was 15%.  Perhaps you got it from the same bull shit source that told you americans like playing high costs for coverage. No wonder you're so confused.



According to wiki:
"At least 15.3% of the population is completely uninsured,[1][2][3] and a substantial additional portion of the population (35%) is "underinsured", or not able to cover the costs of their medical needs.[4][5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States

So it seems my original post understated the problem and approx 50% of Americans are "not able to cover the costs of their medical needs". Apologies for understating the extent of the lack of medical coverage in the US.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 6:52:39 AM   
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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me


Perhaps because there is no comparable country?

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 7:00:20 AM   
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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me


That's easy, where would you rather be a doctor, France, England or the U.S.?
Doctors in the U.S. make far more than their European counterparts.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 7:20:48 AM   
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thats not much good for patients who cant afford to pay for their medications or doctors visits


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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 7:29:39 AM   
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... As just one example, Monsanto has one of their sharks well in place at the FDA and USDA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Taylor  and essentially writing a proposed law that will virtually eliminate naturally grown food.   http://farmwars.info/?p=594


How better else to keep people under the corporate thumb than to stop seed production on family farms....


That S 501 law, amazing, no?

I usually succeed in not getting too overwrought at things, nothing I can do about it, just deal with what's in front of me, etc.

But that thing ... trying to eliminate organic or even any non-GMO-chemical, etc. way of growing, the seed patent laws used to eliminate all other seeds, etc.  The small farmers that were just starting to make a go of it, with out any price support/subsidiy, etc. , now they're trying to eliminate them all, along with small local/regional food processors.

So yes, under the thumb of completely industrialized food growing and large factory food processing.

Hard for me to sit still for this one.



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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 7:53:41 AM   
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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 8:12:44 AM   
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You know, BBC.  

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 8:14:02 AM   
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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me


Do you have a link to the article that said a third of americans have no healthcare coverage? I looked and the highest figure I found was 15%.  Perhaps you got it from the same bull shit source that told you americans like playing high costs for coverage. No wonder you're so confused.



Yep, tweak got it from wiki... but.. when you look up the source for those numbers, you get a different story.

To find out how many people are affected by being uninsured, Families USA
commissioned The Lewin Group to analyze data from the Census Bureau’s Current
Population Survey (CPS) and its Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP), as
well as from the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS), which is conducted by the
Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. This analysis found that 86.7 million people—
one out of every three Americans under the age of 65—was uninsured for some period
of time during 2007 and 2008. These Americans have had to pay for medical care out of
their own pockets, or they have had to delay needed care altogether.

http://www.familiesusa.org/assets/pdfs/americans-at-risk.pdf

Not exactly reported that way on the wiki link.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 8:27:20 AM   
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Healthcare costs in Western countries average about 7-8% of GDP, excepting the USA where it's about 15%. Most Western countries have universal health schemes where it seems about a third of Americans have no healthcare coverage.

I have never been able to understand why Americans like paying twice as much as comparable countries for a lot less healthcare. Perhaps someone could enlighten me


Do you have a link to the article that said a third of americans have no healthcare coverage? I looked and the highest figure I found was 15%.  Perhaps you got it from the same bull shit source that told you americans like playing high costs for coverage. No wonder you're so confused.



According to wiki:
"At least 15.3% of the population is completely uninsured,[1][2][3] and a substantial additional portion of the population (35%) is "underinsured", or not able to cover the costs of their medical needs.[4][5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States

So it seems my original post understated the problem and approx 50% of Americans are "not able to cover the costs of their medical needs". Apologies for understating the extent of the lack of medical coverage in the US.


It's funny but I would have thought the percentages to be higher. Most people I know, do not have health insurance at all.


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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 8:59:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gallop did a survey in 2009... the source tweak offered is from 2007, btw. The updated information is about 16% uninsured in the US.

The reality is, 1 out of 6 have no insurance at all. The hardest hit, the hispanic population, which is at 45% uninsured. Of course those making the laws, and those who have the money and power to influence those laws, which includes the over 65 set, all have health insurance at no cost.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. healthcare lacking - 11/18/2010 9:52:54 AM   
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