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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/21/2010 8:18:52 AM   
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Are you sure about that?

I'll have to check but I think we annexed Canada and it is now our 51st state.


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possess your soul in patience  or its gonna be another weeek



You're damn right I'm pissed!

Bring back the g-string!!!!!!!



make that two weeks



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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/21/2010 8:21:22 AM   
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lol.. you already have.. But really I hope you will get over it... I find your posts interesting and thoughtful even if i don't always agree with them .

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/21/2010 9:43:00 AM   
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I find it astounding that many of you seem to think you are doing Europeans a favour with your military actions. How can you seriously believe invading other countries, massivly violating human rights (e.g. Guantanamo) and killing Iraqis and Afghans help against terrorism? It does exactly the opposite. Those actions make Moslems loathe the Western world. That makes terrorist attacks much more likely. So thanks for that.
Terrorists operate world wide, they can’t be fought by invading two countries. It would be important to show Moslems that Westerners are decent people. Killing and torturing them surprisingly doesn’t achieve that. It just leads to more and more people believing hate preaching Islamists.


Do not say many. There are only a few on this thread with that belief.


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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/21/2010 1:49:57 PM   
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You are naive if you think the rest of the world would like the US not to fight their battles for them...As an example today... NATO has decided they want a missile defense shield...OK who do you think will pay for the lions share of the cost... provide the expertice...materials...and man the facilities?



Although stated in your own unique style Butch.....there is a great deal of truth in one what you say.

The fact is that the United States is a large country that expends a huge amount of resources in the defence arena. Britain - with it's limited population - simply does not have that sort of money to invest. So....in a world of nuclear weapons and advanced technology...it becomes a case of do a deal with the Americans....you have a few bases over here...we get some technology that is inaccessible to us through other means.....and we both get to share intelligence. I'm sure the British Government would rather not do this.....but rock and a hard place....

And it's a case of better the devil you know....I'm sure the British Government would infinitely rather come to a deal with the Americans than they would with the Chinese.

And there is some truth in the idea that the Western World (outside of the US) wants it both ways - the US to share its huge resources on one hand....and on the other....the US abide by European ideas on which countries should be held to task and how that should be achieved. Of course....it ain't going to happen that way. Since when has a superpower listened to the also rans?....never happened in the days of the British Empire....nor the Roman Empire....can't see why the Americans would be any different.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/21/2010 3:43:18 PM   
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hmmm lets see US goes to Iraq because of terrorits... now why did you go into Ireland again? Just a touch hypocritical are you not.

Butch


You might want to check the facts on this one again.

You just illustrated quite well that Göring had it right in the speech somebody quoted upthread.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/21/2010 4:15:49 PM   
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hmmm lets see US goes to Iraq because of terrorits... now why did you go into Ireland again? Just a touch hypocritical are you not.

Butch


Get a clue by four Butch. Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Back in the 70s extra troops went over from the mainland to protect the Catholics from the Protestants. The troops were welcomed by the locals until the IRA changed tack.

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/21/2010 6:15:47 PM   
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I never said it wasn't...but troops were sent to subdue terrorism then later a separatist movement. But surely you are not going to try and defend the UK's record of conquest are you? Compared to you we are angels and it is hypocritical to complain to us because we mistakenly invaded a country in self defense.

And I say mistaken and wrong...you know my thoughts on the Iraq war, dead against it from the beginning...but we are absolutely correct in invading Afghanistan and your government agrees even if you don't.

Butch

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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/21/2010 7:14:10 PM   
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The UK in its terrible past was then an empire where as empirical people think whatever comes to pass is good for the empire, perhaps no other thought was spared. But of that empire, it is interesting to note, it was a management of the empires resources, that pillaged from other countries to make the extreme few in Britain the wealthier.

Perhaps similar things are happening with America, except the world has largely woken up to the designs of a foreign nation, for advanced communication has taught many what to watch out for, friendly help perhaps leading to a grab at other interests.

With Iraq there was oil and the quelling of an allies  nearest source of threat, with Afghanistan, well reports of massive mineral reserves plus whatever else, perhaps even the opium trade. Countries now do not go to war for ideals, the costs involved have to be recouped, so what is it that corporate America wants so bad that it is worth the very well noticed and politically damaging blood of it's countrymen and vast sums of monetary wealth  that may or may not have had some influence on the home lands financial situation ?

To hunt down and kill one man, namely Osama Bin Laden, I think not, for it is interesting, we have not heard anything more about this persons health in recent months, let alone his subtedly changing appearances, it is as if he never existed., but mark my words, as soon as common America starts to think different, yet another vague video will come via Al Jazeera spouting defience towards the west. And of course you will surely have noticed, the objectives in Afghanistan change with regularity, my guess is no one really knows why they are there spilling precious blood in an otherwise unheard of country with objectives changing a with a frequency almost in tune with the weather.

A known principle of getting what you want elsewhere, try the friendly approach first and if that does not work, make the people an enemy and there the justifiation to go to war.


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RE: World comparison shows U.S. health care lacking - 11/22/2010 2:06:02 AM   
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I am afraid I am totally unable to see why the only two options being considered here are "healthcare" vs "defence" spending.

There are lots of other options to find the $ needed for healthcare. It's not like these two items are the only items in the Budget is it? How about reducing costs elsewhere? There are so many complaints about Govt waste here. Or (gasp!) raising taxes? Or holding back on tax cuts for millionaires? Or taking a tiny amount out of each budget item? There's simply got to be heaps more options.

What has happened to the can-do attitude? There are lives at stake after all!

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