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Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 7:20:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Section 8 program has been one of my pet peeves for a while now, so this article was guaranteed to catch my eye. As Atlanta struggles to make a difference, instead of just perpetuating the generational cycle of poverty maintenance, all sorts of interesting issues come up along the way.

American housing policy encourages the formation of households in which low-income single women raise children—exactly the sort of homes where kids’ prospects are bleakest. Crime rates, moreover, are consistently high in and around public housing, and voucher units have been widely implicated in the spread of social problems to formerly safe areas. The problem is financial, as well: housing vouchers alone, which didn’t even exist until 1974, now cost taxpayers $18 billion, more than the $16.9 billion that we spend on welfare. And it’s a policy that disproportionately affects the African-American poor. Nearly 45 percent of public-housing tenants are black, as are 42 percent of voucher recipients.

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_4_atlanta-public-housing.html

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 7:24:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it would be so much better if we just throw them out into the street.

It would certainly save your tax dollars Richie.

And that's the most important thing!

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 7:35:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		As long as they stay dependent and keep voting Dem, huh, RML?



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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 7:48:57 AM   
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What's your solution?

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 7:54:15 AM   
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along with the other sick and poor that are the "dregs of humanity" lazy bastages  and no more use to the ruling class. This is just the start.If you loose your job, get sick, or are poor ....you are expendable, have no right to life

I have words but, Im not into getting moderated.
four threads today are the same
Fuck its sickening




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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 7:56:13 AM   
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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 7:57:08 AM   
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As long as they stay dependent and keep voting Dem, huh, RML?



I don't care how they vote.

But you don't care about anything except your own welfare.

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 8:07:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I typically try to avoid this section of the forums, however; the OP caught my attention.
 
Why are programs such as the section 8 program such a "pet peeve" for you?
 
What is YOUR solution for those low income families who use programs such as Section 8?

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 8:09:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read the article to the end. A fairly expensive program shes running there. But, she is tearing down the ghetto and mainstreaming these folks with more well off white people neigborhoods so that the cops sorta keep the sheets clean there and don't retain such a backlog of complaints as they once did in the strictly black areas.

They have to get jobs or be enrolled in some short term schooling.  Some sort of Big Brother things going on there too.

I give it a B-; C+.



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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 8:29:31 AM   
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I typically try to avoid this section of the forums.......


We certainly don't want to see you slumming, but thank you for your condescending attitude anyway.

Stop by again soon.

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 8:33:30 AM   
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Jesus Christ, Rich.

What's your solution?



I don't know that there is an easy one, Muse. I think this Glover lady in Atlanta is trying some good approaches with a work requirement and, while the nanny-ism of life counseling tweaks my libertarian streak, sometimes you do what you have to do. It surely is a mess. A local proposal that the children of tenants have to go to school is under attack for somehow being racist. The road of good intentions leads to hell, and that is what the housing projects often became. The road back to sanity is still pretty ugly.

Like I said, this is a pet peeve. When the residents of a local public housing complex were vouchered out so the place cold be bulldozed, my old neighborhood was heavily impacted. Easy enough for us, since we were renting, and the house was too small anyway, a damn shame for the homeowners.

Like I also said, the article raises all sorts of interesting issues. Did any of you bother to read it?

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 8:35:08 AM   
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I read the article to the end. A fairly expensive program shes running there. But, she is tearing down the ghetto and mainstreaming these folks with more well off white people neigborhoods so that the cops sorta keep the sheets clean there and don't retain such a backlog of complaints as they once did in the strictly black areas.

They have to get jobs or be enrolled in some short term schooling.  Some sort of Big Brother things going on there too.

I give it a B-; C+.




Thanks, Ron

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 8:41:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, in this part of the country, I'd say 75% of those in section 8 housing vote straight ticket Republican. Tell them they're biting the hand that feeds then and they're saying "Do Whut?"

But, their preachers tell em to vote Republican and dammit, that's what theyre going to do. Right after they go get their handicap plate for their car.

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 8:53:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP, thank you for sharing why this program is a pet peeve for you.
 
I did read the article and as someone who is on a section 8 voucher I can't relate to most of what was described in that article regarding people on the program. However, I am not from Atlanta either. In Maryland, and more specifically Harford County children have to be enrolled in school if under 18. In my particular county the Housing Authority  has "off limits" areas and "off limit" landlord where they will not allow vouchers to be used because of the crime rate or the property owners refuse to comply with program regulations. Most of the larger complexes  and rental agencies in my area not only do credit checks but do criminal back ground checks for all applicants. (which cuts down on obvious criminal activity) Section 8 also does annaul criminal back ground checks, those with felonies, drug related charges, and various other chargers are not eligible for the program.
 
When I was enrolled, I had to sign up for a budgetting class (which most american could stand to do). I was also given the opportunity to take a class on how to write a resume and to do interviews. Neither of which have ever been an issue for me, my issue isn't employment its that since having to go on disability my income is realistically at poverty level.

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 8:59:56 AM   
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quote:

The road of good intentions leads to hell


Someone should write a book exposing the pointlessness of such "wisdom" and how slogans are antithetical to reasoning.

On one page: "Great minds think alike."
On the opposing page: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

On one page: "There's no smoke without fire"
On the opposing page: "Barking dogs seldom bite"

On one page: "Look before you leap."
On the opposing page: "He who hesitates is lost."

Justifications, not guiding principles.

So Rich:

"Nothing ventured, nothing gained"
"Where there's a will there's a way"
"A stitch in time, saves nine"
"Rome wasn't built in a day"
"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth"

And so it goes, pointlessly, without adding substance.

Of course, "Old habits die hard."
But then, "All good things must come to an end."

Solutions, not slogans. In the real world, many things happen that I don't like, yet I understand why they must.

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 9:45:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		You hit the nail squarely on the head when you mentioned a particular county, Inked. Locality is a huge factor. What happened to my old neighborhood resulted from bad decisions by a city redevelopment agency, and bad policy from the administering authority has spread the problems heavily across this whole area. I don't live in Atlanta, though. Those are federal dollars, and it isn't just a local thing.

Despite the best efforts of some to accuse otherwise, I think it is right and proper for our country to have a social safety net. I think it is also right and proper to aggressively go after the criminals, scammers, and just plain lazy, so their voucher money can go to someone more deserving. This isn't an entitlement program, and the waiting list can get very long.

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 10:02:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like we can safely say that the use of a cliche' is one of your pet peeves, Muse

I would say the one I used would be the counterpoint to "Do the right thing." Can we settle perhaps at "unintended consequences can be a motherfucker?"

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 10:20:47 AM   
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You hit the nail squarely on the head when you mentioned a particular county, Inked. Locality is a huge factor. What happened to my old neighborhood resulted from bad decisions by a city redevelopment agency, and bad policy from the administering authority has spread the problems heavily across this whole area. I don't live in Atlanta, though. Those are federal dollars, and it isn't just a local thing.

Despite the best efforts of some to accuse otherwise, I think it is right and proper for our country to have a social safety net. I think it is also right and proper to aggressively go after the criminals, scammers, and just plain lazy, so their voucher money can go to someone more deserving. This isn't an entitlement program, and the waiting list can get very long.



There is a HUGE need for programs such as this one, especially in todays economy. I agree, there should be more safety nets. I also agree that like any system this one has it flaws and can / is abused.  I  know a woman who was on a section 8 voucher who moved her gf in and didn't report it to section 8, so her gfs income was not counted against her. Even when it was reported it took Section 8 3 months to investigate it. I also know people who get kicked out of the program for not paying their portion of rent.
 
 I was on the waiting list for 4.5 yrs before I got my voucher and in that time, my 2 children and I were renting a 1 bdrm apartment from a slum lord but honestly it was the best I could do with the income I have to work with.  
 
So again, there is no easy fix IMO.
 

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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 10:55:36 AM   
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RE: Public Housing and the Damage Done - 11/20/2010 4:34:57 PM   
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"You just wait 'till your father gets ho....."



There is a nice kick in the teeth for do-gooders of any persuasion in that article. They used to try and push marriage as a path to success, but that hasn't worked out very well, since so many of the men in the culture are "parasites."

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