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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/24/2010 7:56:18 AM   
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No. When they become totally LEGAL and available than the crime will stop. War on Drugs? What a fucking farce. Waste of lives and money.


"The Smartz are strong in this one, Obi-Wan".

It's been estimated that the cost of subsidising and legalising, in terms of knocking street dealers on the head by offering clean, known strength heroin legally, are less than 1,000th the cost of the street (and other) crime entailed to drive habits, together with treatment costs, hospital costs, and lost work days, plus the cost of the "War On Drugs".

But no politician will touch the idea because it's political suicide.

So we're doomed to lots of people dying ahead of time, and lots of crime, because we're led by cowards, and most voters are stupid.

That seems a bit off to me. Nothing else has worked thus far, and arseholes are still getting rich off the suffering of others, so why not at least try it?

Oh, and it's far easier to come off heroin when it clean than it is when it's "street" (assuming it's strong enough to be addictive in the first place, before anyone mentions the New York study). Just thought I'd mention that.



Agree agree agree so much! These people that live in rainbow village apparently don't understand that if someone wishes to obtain drugs, it will happen. If they don't have the money, they will get it. No clean needles? They will share them. It's not going to end, it's going to get worse, and unless we collectively as a society realize that, the crime, death and sickness will only worsen.

I also agree totally with Elisabella's assessment that it does indeed make people that use their drugs legally, and use or abuse alcohol feel superior to the "junkie."  I was a bartender for many many years part time, and I would much rather hang out with someone smoking some weed or doing some E than a roomful of drunks. Hey I love cocktails too, I am just not delusional enough to think because it's legal that getting drunk is any better or worse than getting on high on whatever your choice of that may be.

I don't take a single prescription drug for anything, at least on a regular basis, and I can log on here on any given day and see people talking about their plethora of Rx's, mainly opioid based meds or mood altering ones, many times multiples. I can't help but see some hypocrisy in that situation. 

Just because you can buy your booze at the drugstore and get your uppers and downers from the Dr., it doesn't make it any better than the guy that buys some weed from a dealer. It only makes it legal.


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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/24/2010 1:59:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The thing about Heroin is that used sensibly it's almost completely harmless. Heroin users who die of their habit die because the purity of their score varies hugely leading to overdose, the supply is intermittent leading to overdose, their equipment is dirty or shared, the drug is adulterated with rat poison or whatever, or because the savage lifestyle gets them in the end. White-collar junkies have none of these problems - that's why no-one knows about them.

Crack Cocaine is different. It'll kill the user eventually, whatever. And before it kills the user, the user may well end up killing someone else.

My point is that we need to look at each drug and come up with a strategy that reduces harm to the minimum. In the case of Heroin, legalised shooting galleries would be the way to go. In the case of Crack Cocaine, shooting the dealers would be most effective. In both cases, the most effective remedies are unacceptable. Isn't that crazy?

But I am disappointed to see how many of you are willing to give up your sympathy for another human being who has made a stupid mistake and ended up addicted. I'm genuinely saddened by this. I hope you never have to face the reality of it close-up.

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/24/2010 2:05:03 PM   
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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/24/2010 2:19:38 PM   
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Not really, vehicles, planes and homes all carry good an healthy connotations, so death in either is sad, but heroin users choose to do what they do despite education that says do this and it may lead to their death. Many have chosen to heed that education, so it is there, but there are others who choose to ignore the education and do their own thing, they were warned and now they suffer the consequences.

On this I have to strongly disagree. You fail to realize that too many people do not realize hoe addictive heroin is and ignorantly assume that trying it just one time is ok and sadly that one and only usage has them addicted. We can not forget how our attitudes were when we were teenagers and wanting to experiment with illegal substances just so we were cool among our friends. Yet many people caved into peer pressure and had the fortitude to simply say no and walk away. I have yet to meet a heroin addict or even an alcoholic who admitted they consciously chose to become addicted to their drug of choice.


But the difference between a dangerous sportsman and a heroin user, is misusing drugs is illegal and through the misuse of drugs crime is committed in using the stuff and the mechanism of supply and funding the stuff.

I fail to see see any actual difference in these 2 examples. Both, in a literal sense, are addicts - one is addicted to the adrenaline rush to participating in the extreme sport of their choosing and the latter is addicted to to an illegal drug. The  The only difference is one drug is naturally produced by the body and the other isn't



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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/24/2010 2:20:23 PM   
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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/24/2010 2:22:02 PM   
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Maybe white-collar junkies have fewer of those problems rather than none of them, as I previously said...


Honestly- I had no idea he used.   Tho he DID wear a long sweater on hot days... but they were always high fashion.... so I thought- Ok- he is a yuppy.

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/24/2010 5:43:11 PM   
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Not really, vehicles, planes and homes all carry good an healthy connotations, so death in either is sad, but heroin users choose to do what they do despite education that says do this and it may lead to their death. Many have chosen to heed that education, so it is there, but there are others who choose to ignore the education and do their own thing, they were warned and now they suffer the consequences.

On this I have to strongly disagree. You fail to realize that too many people do not realize hoe addictive heroin is and ignorantly assume that trying it just one time is ok and sadly that one and only usage has them addicted. We can not forget how our attitudes were when we were teenagers and wanting to experiment with illegal substances just so we were cool among our friends. Yet many people caved into peer pressure and had the fortitude to simply say no and walk away. I have yet to meet a heroin addict or even an alcoholic who admitted they consciously chose to become addicted to their drug of choice.


But the difference between a dangerous sportsman and a heroin user, is misusing drugs is illegal and through the misuse of drugs crime is committed in using the stuff and the mechanism of supply and funding the stuff.

I fail to see see any actual difference in these 2 examples. Both, in a literal sense, are addicts - one is addicted to the adrenaline rush to participating in the extreme sport of their choosing and the latter is addicted to to an illegal drug. The  The only difference is one drug is naturally produced by the body and the other isn't




You see this is where I have a problem, when you mentioned the need to try illegal things when we were in our teens, because I never felt that urge, friends smoked, but I was just not interested, drugs, they were around in my later teens, but they just did not interest me, so perhaps this is why I misunderstand the need to try these things.

But as a teen and in my early twenties, my interest was the outdoors, get out of the house, get out of the town and head for the wild country, mountaineering and pot holing, the exhilaration of fresh air, beautiful scenery and industrial archaeology was my drug of choice. I never did extreme sports, never saw the need, but I do wonder about those that need to do extreme sports, as to what triggered the need for such a rush that extreme sports offers, is it a symptom of our easy lives or is it something other, perhaps even something imbibed that has created a need that cannot be satisfied by normal means.


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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/25/2010 1:49:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Five minutes walk from where I live there is a legal heroin injecting gallery. It's been there for 10 years. You can read about it here if you're interested:
www.sydneymsic.com/

Ten years ago, before the centre opened, this area was littered with dirty needles, junkies 'on the nod' and everyone was terrified of contracting HIV or Hep C. Nowadays I might see a dirty needle on the streets once a month. I don't see many junkies 'on the nod' any more. I read in the media that the centre has dealt with 3,000+ overdoses without a single fatality. A safe clean injecting environment reduces the spread of disease, esp HIV and Hep C. Hundreds have started treatment programs via the centre. Surveys indicate an overwhelming proportion of local residents want the centre to remain. The police like the centre. Even the Govt has legislated recently to make the centre permanent after almost 10 years 'trial' status.

In short, positive outcomes for everyone.

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/25/2010 6:56:52 AM   
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I myself wonder why, when we are surrounded by copious evidence of just how dangerous this drug is people still choose to try it.




I can offer one of many possible reasons why so many people ignore the anti-drugs messages they receive.

At the university i work at, my students and I have often discussed drug use. My students note that alcohol and tobacco are legal and marijuana is not. They know that both legal drugs are at least as dangerous and probably far more dangerous and health-damaging than marijuana. Because of this, they conclude (quite reasonably IMHO) that the anti-marijuana messages they get are simply not credible.

This point has been made every time we have discussed drugs. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no doubt that the continuing criminalisation of marijuana discredits all anti-drugs campaigns in the minds of young people targeted by those campaigns.



I have to agree with this. Amsterdam is the marijuana capital of Europe. They have shops specializing in it and you can browse and buy anything from organic green to hard core muffins. It costs little because its available everywhere and you can go and chill in one of their brown cafes without any underhand dealings or worrying about being arrested.
There is very little street crime in Amsterdam. The Dutch government recently announced that it does not have enough prisoners to fill its prisons, and as a result is closing down 8 prisons.

Science Philosophical Chat says;

State-controlled distribution of marijuana at subsidized prices cuts into illegal drug activities, where huge amounts of crime occur all the way from the cartels to the streets. Violent drug dealers and similar criminals would be driven out of business by the safe, cheap, high quality dispensaries and the entire community would benefit from this.

For example, taxing and regulating cannabis would generate up to $1.4 billion in revenue per year for California. Similarly, $200 million of taxpayer money will be saved, due to less inmates in local jails. It is also estimated that California will generate $12-18 billion in spin off industries such as tourism and coffee houses. The figures would be similar to what Amsterdam currently gets! All these savings could be put towards creating jobs, as it’s estimated that if Prop 19 passes, approximately 100,000 jobs will be created. Passing it would also help fight the Mexican drug cartels and stop the 6k death toll that has occurred this year as a direct result of their actions, as it is estimated that 60% of their income comes from marijuana trafficking.




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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/25/2010 7:16:48 AM   
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Maybe white-collar junkies have fewer of those problems rather than none of them, as I previously said...

Would you like to discuss what are termed "functioning" addicts?



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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/25/2010 7:31:10 AM   
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There is very little street crime in Amsterdam. The Dutch government recently announced that it does not have enough prisoners to fill its prisons, and as a result is closing down 8 prisons.


This made me smile. A lot

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/25/2010 8:30:02 AM   
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Hopefully those of you who sniff at the deaths of mere heroin users and mutter: 'You did it to yourself - you deserve it.' are similarly immune to caring about people who die in vehicles they have chosen to drive, planes they have chosen to fly in, homes they have chosen to live in, at the hands of people they have chosen to spend time with ...


I think I'm the one that first brought up a lack of sympathy and I doubt there is anything you could say to me, or anything that you could twist enough to change my opinion. I have sat for hours, weeks, months and sometimes years with people who couldn't drive a car, couldn't take a flight on a plane or live a life with any quality because they were born with health issues or injured sometimes by just going out and earning a pay check. I heard the cries of pain both physical and emotional because they couldn't get medication for pain control.

I used to personally deal with two or three people a week that wanted to end their life and for years I fought hard to keep them going, to stop them from ending it and to encourage them. (This was after I spent years dealing with addict's, the domestically abused, homeless, veterans, etc.) At one point I had to finally ask myself what I was doing. What reason could I give people in chronic/life long/ horrendous pain, to keep suffering year after year in pain you could not imagine, simply because life is precious. Life isn't so precious when in that kind of pain. I was asking them to continue to suffer because there were serious lacks in the medical community that refused to assist them with their pain. Yet, be a drug addict of heroin and you could get help simply to keep you from having withdrawals. My comment is all tied up in that aspect of it. People that had no choice in living with pain and those having a choice in causing an addiction and the help or negelct each got.

That is what I was commenting on and not the risks taken by anyone doing anything. You can come off defensive if you like, but until you live with pain or work with people in this amount of pain, you cannot compare a functioning life and transportation verses the choices of an addict.

Do I have more sympathy or compassion for those that didn't do a damn thing wrong and suffered, than I do for those who decided to get high and became addicted and most likely lived a life where they could or would cheat their own parent to get a fix? You bet I do. I have seen both in action, first hand and yes, for those helpless and getting no help... I have more sympathy. For those that were criminal in their choices to be getting assistance when there are people that didn't make those poor choices and get neglected, there is an anger issue and a god damned fair one to have. There is something very wrong when we in a sense reward people for poor choices and neglect those that are disease ridden or injured somehow. You can say it was a choice to get into a car so that they could go to work and still a choice when that car they were in was hit by an addict that changed not only their life, but another driver/stranger's life, but hey... you can argue anything, but it doesn't mean I have to make sense of it the way you do.

Accountability goes a long way in every aspect of life and I think that governments and medical communities need to be accountable for the lives lost because they neglect some people, while assisting others who were far less accountable in life.

You can think anything you want of me, because I have seen your postings and I don't give a fuck what you think of me. It wasn't me playing god first. It was those that decided addicts deserved better treatment than those that made better choices and had health issues and apparently were worth less than an addict.

You want to challenge my sympathy? You want to condemn those that see this differently than you do? You want to be so fair that you are unfair? Go for it... but you are not going to change the mind of someone who has been in the trenches, trying to help all of them and finding that someone decided the average person making a living and doing right should be neglected while drug addicts get assistance. Until you walk in their shoes, you have no understanding of it. You would have far more compassion if you had anything to do with it besides some social agenda or angle you use to try to condemn or influence people with. I have compassion but far less for the addict than I do those that come by their needs through no faulty choice.

Oh and going on your posting history... I won't argue this with you. If... IF you respond, I will decide then if it is worth another response from me.


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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/25/2010 1:44:00 PM   
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I think I'm the one ...

Oh and going on your posting history... I won't argue this with you. If... IF you respond, I will decide then if it is worth another response from me.



That's fine Lockit. It's a discussion forum, but you don't have to discuss anything with anyone if you don't care to. What I am hearing is that you feel no sympathy for heroin users because other people are sick and you can't find it in your heart to care about both them and the junkies. I'm also hearing that you somehow think there is a link between the help that those people in pain that you mention don't get, and the help that drug addicts do get; that somehow the suffering of those people with pain excuses your lack of compassion for heroin users. I don't need to challenge your lack of sympathy - it is a basic fact of life that some people get bent out of shape and come to all sorts of ridiculous conclusions at times. I think your attitude sucks. But hey, I luckily don't have to put up with it very much.

How's that? Worth a reply, do you think?

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/25/2010 1:53:51 PM   
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Maybe white-collar junkies have fewer of those problems rather than none of them, as I previously said...

Would you like to discuss what are termed "functioning" addicts?



I would if I knew enough about the subject to make it interesting and if I felt I could usefully contribute to the discussion in this way. Unfortunately, all I know is that they exist, that they can manage their habit for decades with little ill effect, and that the reason for this is that heroin is not dangerous in therapeutic doses, although it is addictive at almost any level.

On saying that, you might be interested in this.  The writer of this article was managing an addiction on an average wage. With an above average salary, it isn't difficult to imagine that she may not have had to deal with some of the drawbacks she mentions in the article. She would have been able to obtain a 'clean' reliable supply perhaps, or maybe would have had enough income to ensure that it was not all of it consumed by her habit. The point about white-collar heroin use is that no-one knows much about it. It's a taboo subject, and little researched.

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/25/2010 3:54:58 PM   
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There was a recent post by CallaFirestorm that was much more eloquent on the subject of empathy than I would ever hope to be.  In it, she expressed much of how I feel on the matter.  For those of us who have done any kind of work (on either a professional or volunteer basis) in helping others, each of us has a point where you have to start looking at self preservation.  There is a point where you have to say "no more".  At some point, you have to look inside of yourself and know when to draw back.  You have to find that line.  Otherwise, you get lost.  You have to concentrate your efforts on where it actually matters.  There really is this odd sense of 'this is what I can do and there are also things that I can not do'.

I have come to the conclusion that there are certain things that I can not do.  Making peace with that wasn't easy.  At the same time, it was necessary.


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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/26/2010 11:06:12 AM   
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I think I'm the one ...

Oh and going on your posting history... I won't argue this with you. If... IF you respond, I will decide then if it is worth another response from me.



That's fine Lockit. It's a discussion forum, but you don't have to discuss anything with anyone if you don't care to. What I am hearing is that you feel no sympathy for heroin users because other people are sick and you can't find it in your heart to care about both them and the junkies. I'm also hearing that you somehow think there is a link between the help that those people in pain that you mention don't get, and the help that drug addicts do get; that somehow the suffering of those people with pain excuses your lack of compassion for heroin users. I don't need to challenge your lack of sympathy - it is a basic fact of life that some people get bent out of shape and come to all sorts of ridiculous conclusions at times. I think your attitude sucks. But hey, I luckily don't have to put up with it very much.

How's that? Worth a reply, do you think?



I love how you twist my words and don't consider the rest of them, but then, that's how Hertz does it.

I do have one question for you Hertz. In all your understanding, compassion and condemnation... what have you done to love, assist or change the lives of anyone of these groups of people besides running your mouth?



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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/26/2010 1:54:52 PM   
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I appreciated the article.  Thank you for sharing it.

There was a recent post by CallaFirestorm that was much more eloquent on the subject of empathy than I would ever hope to be.  In it, she expressed much of how I feel on the matter.  For those of us who have done any kind of work (on either a professional or volunteer basis) in helping others, each of us has a point where you have to start looking at self preservation.  There is a point where you have to say "no more".  At some point, you have to look inside of yourself and know when to draw back.  You have to find that line.  Otherwise, you get lost.  You have to concentrate your efforts on where it actually matters.  There really is this odd sense of 'this is what I can do and there are also things that I can not do'.

I have come to the conclusion that there are certain things that I can not do.  Making peace with that wasn't easy.  At the same time, it was necessary.



Amen to that. I completely get it.

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/26/2010 1:59:51 PM   
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I love how you twist my words and don't consider the rest of them, but then, that's how Hertz does it.

I do have one question for you Hertz. In all your understanding, compassion and condemnation... what have you done to love, assist or change the lives of anyone of these groups of people besides running your mouth?



If I have misunderstood what you have said, explain it to me. You came out fighting and I slapped you back. If you want a rational discussion I'll willingly have it with you.

FYI I have worked the last 25 years in the caring profession in a variety of settings. Currently I work with homeless people with drug and alcohol issues. I do the best I can, and I sleep well at night. It's hard work, depressing as hell sometimes, and the pay is crap, but the occasional successes make it worthwhile. I wish I could be the demon you want me to be, but I am not that man.

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/26/2010 2:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting virtue compassion isn't it? My feeling is that we can't have too much of it.

I can understand someone focussing their compassion on where they feel it's most needed, or even most productive, or even most rewarding. I can certainly understand a person focussing their compassion towards the innocent.

But I'm not sure I understand compassion which is doled out on the basis of moral judgements. I can understand why people mightn't feel compassionate towards a child molester, a rapist or a murderer. They ruin others' lives.

One of my students who did a drug rehab told me that at the rehab, the junkies and alcoholics both despised each other. Not much compassion there it seems. Should that stop us tho?

Perhaps if we can agree to consider substance abuse issues, including heroin addiction, as a health issue rather than a moral or legal one, we will have have taken a step in the right direction.

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RE: Heroin shortage in UK is 'putting lives at risk' By... - 11/26/2010 4:31:43 PM   
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http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/showthread.php?t=45087

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/12/05/painkiller-crisis-patients-needlessly-living-and-dying-in-pain/

http://www.hss.edu/conditions_10-myths-chronic-pain.asp

Addicts do, do harm to others. Family members, employers and those that are effected by criminal activity to get the money for their addiction as well as those that have been harmed by someone driving under the influence, do suffer because of an addict. Will all addicts harm someone else? No, I am sure there are those that do not harm others, but the majority do. Making restitution to those you have harmed is a part of a twelve step program. That ought to say something.

Patients that once could get pain medication to control pain so that they could live a better life were effected by addicts. Compassion for the addict does not end because they have caused harm, but it is diminished when you weigh it all out in dealing with those that are harmed by the effects of drug use and it is easy to feel as I do because I have watched people suffer and die because doctors were too afraid to help even in cases where there was sound medical foundation for the need for the medication, as in my case.

I was one of the first out writing how I felt about Rush and his habit and his excuse of needing the medication and then using it to explain away addictive behavior patterns that few pain sufferers have even when dependent upon pain medication.

Ironic that an addict can get help and yet because of addicts, true pain sufferer's are doomed to long periods of time where they cannot get assistance. We pain sufferer's typically suffer without going to the streets for drugs because we have a strong stance against doing so for many reasons.

So if I am making a judgment call based on years of watching people suffer because of others who victimized themselves, their lives and others... fuckin tie me to a tree and hang my in-compassionate ass. lol I have compassion for anyone hurting and that includes an addict, but part of recovery is accountability and no one can say they have not done harm and I am sick of others paying a price for what some have done. There is a serious problem in how these two area's are dealt with and how it looks like the addict can get assistance and yet the pain sufferer cannot because of misconceptions and addicts that caused the problem in the first place.

I refuse to be abused by the medical community calling me an addict year after year, when most of them will not even look at my medical records... just the list of medications I cannot take with sound medical information on that as well, that they could read, if they would. Simply because it looks like I am trying to narrow the medications down to get the drug of my choice. That happened because addicts lied to doctors to get drugs to get high on. I suffer daily and my mental clarity fails sometimes simply because I am in pain... or you would have a report here that would be very difficult to challenge. Feel free to come view my file cabinets of research on all of this though... It took many, many years to prove my case in Colorado, not counting the years before that elsewhere and finally they gave me pain control for seven years. I move for the sake of my son... and I'm back to, fuck you addict and I have to start all over again and afford proving that I need them.

Do you know how many people there are out there like me? How many that aren't as strong as I am or how many in more pain than I am in?

So if I comment on certain aspects of a real big picture and say it isn't fair that addicts get better treatment than those that didn't chose to need medication... write me off... tell me of... tell me to fuck off... I don't care. I know who and what I am and my life was given to serving the needs of others and causes... until pain and illness took me out.

< Message edited by Lockit -- 11/26/2010 4:48:00 PM >

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