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pahunkboy -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:37:37 AM)

Gads RON.

Welcome to your NEW WORLD ORDER.


arghhhhhhh




Arpig -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:37:42 AM)

So some guy who happens to work for the TSA flipped out...what exactly does that prove other than that they are normal people




pahunkboy -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:38:51 AM)

There is a saying that the people will get the govt that they deserve.

So here we are!




rulemylife -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:39:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Here is the KEY part of all of this that you people are not getting, for whatever reason. I have the CHOICE to go to each and every one of those places.........the CHOICE. Not the right! It is not my right to go to a ball game, a rock concert, or fly on a plane. I make the choice, based upon whether or not I have the privilege of entrance fee/money to spend. I am making that CHOICE with the knowledge that the owners of those venues make have requirements I must comply with. If I do not wish to comply, I am in effect, choosing to not attend.

My grocery store, and most restaurants require shoes and a shirt to enter. I comply with that requirement to gain entrance.



No LaT, the key part you are not getting is you do not have the choice.

Would you never go to a grocery store if they subjected you to pat downs?

And flying is no longer something optional but a fact for people who need to travel on business.




Arpig -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:39:42 AM)

Ducking the question again...SSDD




pahunkboy -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:42:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Here is the KEY part of all of this that you people are not getting, for whatever reason. I have the CHOICE to go to each and every one of those places.........the CHOICE. Not the right! It is not my right to go to a ball game, a rock concert, or fly on a plane. I make the choice, based upon whether or not I have the privilege of entrance fee/money to spend. I am making that CHOICE with the knowledge that the owners of those venues make have requirements I must comply with. If I do not wish to comply, I am in effect, choosing to not attend.

My grocery store, and most restaurants require shoes and a shirt to enter. I comply with that requirement to gain entrance.



No LaT, the key part you are not getting is you do not have the choice.

Would you never go to a grocery store if they subjected you to pat downs?

And flying is no longer something optional but a fact for people who need to travel on business.



With her outlook- every store will have them with in 5 years...  and by then there will be no choice- none- nada.   




mnottertail -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:44:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

No LaT, the key part you are not getting is you do not have the choice.

Would you never go to a grocery store if they subjected you to pat downs?

And flying is no longer something optional but a fact for people who need to travel on business.




I believe that private pilots licenses are available for those who wish to obtain them.




rulemylife -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:53:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

No LaT, the key part you are not getting is you do not have the choice.

Would you never go to a grocery store if they subjected you to pat downs?

And flying is no longer something optional but a fact for people who need to travel on business.




I believe that private pilots licenses are available for those who wish to obtain them.


Which costs a few thousand dollars to obtain initially.

Then after obtaining a license you have to factor in the cost of aircraft rental or ownership.

And it's not cheap.

It is far more economical to fly the airlines.








mnottertail -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 10:57:34 AM)

You afraid of someone handling your package then?




Moonhead -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:00:58 AM)

Surely everybody who has a problem with security checks on airlines under Obama (which look identical to the security checks under Bush to any specimen of Eurotrash) is a conservative, and as such is so fabulously wealthy from their libertarian support of free enterprise that they can afford a whole fleet of private planes?

Or are certain right leaning posters in this thread admitting that all of that Horatio Alger/John Galt noise they're fond of coming out with is utter bullshit?




Edwynn -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:06:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

This isn't safety at any cost. Any cost would be the incredibly invasive El Al screening system which would bring air travel to a standstill. The present system is a compromise between safety and privacy.




That is complete BS. Talk about making it up. El Al and Israeli airport security rely on well trained people who know what they are doing and know what to look for. And they do it with out invasive scanners or pat downs of normal passengers. If someone is suspect he is taken to a room for further questioning, then further intrusion only if warranted.

You are welcome to provide accounts of Ben Gurion Airport or El Al flights being at a perpetual "standstill" if you like. Inquiring minds want to know.

In the last several US bombing attempts there was advance information more than sufficient to stop and arrest the perpetrators but it was either ignored outright or not passed on to the proper security sector. This would never happen in Israel.

The failed attempt last Christmas, from the Washington Post:

quote:

The suspect, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, was added to a catch-all terrorism-related database when his father, a Nigerian banker, reported concerns about his son's "radicalization and associations" to the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria, a senior administration official said. Abdulmutallab was not placed on any watch list for flights into the United States, however, because there was "insufficient derogatory information available" to include him, another administration official said.


He was added to "the big list" of  ~ 550,000 but not to the 14,000 'selected' list or 4,000 no-fly list.

Were this Israel, the catch-all list wouldn't be nearly that big to begin with, ergo unmanageable, because they have a clue as to who is actually potentially dangerous or not, such clue as all the US agencies together clearly lack. He would most certainly have been on the next-level watch list, and most important of all, his name on the passenger list would have been flagged and the airport notified and he would have been taken aside for questioning and screening, rather than molesting all the other passengers, and the attempt would have been foiled before any boarding.

With all that, nobody here or in practically any other discussion can get beyond the level of partisan politics with it. If that's all anybody gets out of this, then it's no wonder that things have gotten this bad and no question but that the  big slide is inevitable.

Puerile jokes and snicker-snarking and dems and reps and ...

Disgusting.


And yes, quite predictable.







lickenforyou -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:13:04 AM)

I think we should have airlines for people and pilots who don't want extra security measures and airlines for those who do.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:16:29 AM)

A truly unfortunate side effect of this is that, now, every unconvicted pervert (and there are a shitload of them) will be applying for jobs with the TSA.

Has anyone considered that?

All the feels you can cop PLUS government bennies and paid vacation.




rulemylife -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:18:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You afraid of someone handling your package then?


Do you fly much?

Since 9/11 it has become progressively more ridiculous.

You have to remove shoes, coats, belts, and if you are carrying a laptop that has to be scanned separately as well.

And let's not forget the bag searches.

I was at an airport ticket counter that had those bag scanners. They put a bright red tag on my luggage so I wouldn't have to go through a bag search.

Can you guess what happened?

Yes, even though my luggage had already been scanned I was forced to go through someone examining my underwear.

At what point do we decide that there is too much security?

I remember seeing a lot of signs after 9/11 saying "Freedom Isn't Free". 

I'm not sure what that meant to those who posted the signs but to me it means that if you want a free country then you need to assume the risks involved.







Hillwilliam -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:21:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You afraid of someone handling your package then?


Do you fly much?

Since 9/11 it has become progressively more ridiculous.

You have to remove shoes, coats, belts, and if you carrying a laptop that has to be scanned separately as well.

And let's not forget the bag searches.

I was at an airport ticket counter that had those bag scanners. They put a bright red tad on my luggage so I wouldn't have to go through a bag search.

Can you guess what happened?

Yes, even though my luggage had already been scanned I was forced to go through someone examining my underwear.

At what point do we decide that there is too much security?

I remember seeing a lot of signs after 9/11 saying "Freedom Isn't Free". 

I'm not sure what that meant to those who posted the signs but to me it means that if you want a supposedly free country then you need to assume the risks involved.






It's 1984 dude. Orwell was just off by a coupla decades.




pahunkboy -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:21:59 AM)

Yeah-  just wait till they take his nail clippers from him!




pahunkboy -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:25:10 AM)

Only 1/5 of All Air Cargo Screened for Bombs - CBS NewsNov 2, 2010 ... TSA: All "High-Risk" Cargo Checked; Congressman Want to Expand Screening to All 9B Pounds Entering US Each Year.
www.cbsnews.com/stories/.../main7014325.shtml - Cached - Add to iGoogleOnly 20 percent of U.S.-bound cargo screened for bombs | Homeland ...Air cargo securityOnly 20 percent of U.S.-bound cargo screened for bombs. Published 4 November 2010. About 20 percent of the nine billion pounds of air ...
homelandsecuritynewswire.com/only-20-percent-us-bound-cargo-screened-bombs




Edwynn -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:34:14 AM)

quote:

I think we should have airlines for people and pilots who don't want extra security measures and airlines for those who do.




I think we should have one security agency that is clueless for people don't want competence and another security agency that knows what it's doing for those who do.





DomKen -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:47:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

This isn't safety at any cost. Any cost would be the incredibly invasive El Al screening system which would bring air travel to a standstill. The present system is a compromise between safety and privacy.




That is complete BS. Talk about making it up. El Al and Israeli airport security rely on well trained people who know what they are doing and know what to look for. And they do it with out invasive scanners or pat downs of normal passengers. If someone is suspect he is taken to a room for further questioning, then further intrusion only if warranted.

You are welcome to provide accounts of Ben Gurion Airport or El Al flights being at a perpetual "standstill" if you like. Inquiring minds want to know.

El Al only has a relative handful of departures each day (they ony operate 35 aircraft after all). United Airlines operates 360 aircraft, Delta has a fleet of 733, American has a fleet of 625. Now add in all the small and regional US carriers. Now imagine each passenger going through a 3 hour screening involving questioning and hand bag searches as well as any level of physical screening the security officers feel is warranted. That would bring actual chaos and standstill to US airports.

Like I said above the scanners and pat down searches are a compromise between safety and privacy.




pahunkboy -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/23/2010 11:59:00 AM)

TSA WORKERS FEAR BACKLASH...

Vent their anger at fatties and smellies...

Inspection gloves spreading infections?

'We hate obese passengers and people with personal hygiene issues:' Now 'abused' TSA staff vent their anger at patdown searches

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332307/Now-abused-TSA-staff-vent-anger-security-patdown-searches.html#ixzz168aYt744






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