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Gauge -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/28/2006 10:26:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subbecky Excuse me? Aren't we supposed to be the opened minded ones? I am about as open minded as they get. I will listen to reason and try as best as I can to see things from another point of view. What does having an open mind have to do with this? Have I not stated, clearly, the fact that I am not really sure how I feel about this? I do know that the word illegal in the dictionary does not change context no matter how many times I read it. quote: I for one am not at all "threatned" by this new verson of the national anthem. It's no skin off my nose. Who gives a rip anyway? I am not threatened by it either. I object to it being used in the context of support for illegal immigrants. Not legal ones... illegal ones. And quite frankly, I give a rip. I am a bit tired of having to continue to cave in under pressure to every Tomas, Ricardo and Geraldo (Tom, Dick and Harry) just because they think that they have a right that they clearly don't. You may not want to see the impact that this issue has... not the anthem issue, but the illegal immigrant issue, but that does not mean that it has no impact because you won't look at it. quote: All i can say is that we are reacting just like those muslims that threw a hissy fit over that Danish cartoon. If we're threatened by this, well we're a pretty weak nation after all. Since I didn't read those articles I cannot draw the comparison. This isn't a hissy fit, it is a connected series of thoughts by myself to try to make some decision as to how I feel about this. I think I have made up my mind to a degree, but I am open to input one way or another. You used the word threatened... In some manor of speaking I guess you could say that I am threatened by immigrants coming into the country and wanting to change the official language of the USA. I guess I am threatened by the fact that we cannot take care of Americans... not illegal immigrants... Americans and get proper housing, training, health care and nurishment. You are damned right I feel threatened that criminals are treated better than those poor that live legally in the United States. I don't like it when someone comes into my country and says we must change something because they say we must. We will change whatever the hell we want to change. Again, I am no flag waver, I never have been. I love the cultures in this country, they are diverse and they have enriched our history. Come here legally like others do and I will welcome you... but don't take the National Anthem of the country and use it to espouse support for illegal immigrants.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/28/2006 11:39:56 PM)
Hmmmm, I can't believe there is any debate here. Really, I guess this country wants to end up like every other split country on the planet. One language is essential. If I can't talk to you, I can't resolve conflicts with you, I can't conduct business with you efficiently. I can't interact with you. This is just another example of illegals claiming the US as their own. They changed the freakin words of the anthem as well. If they didn't do that it wouldn't be so bad. But they changed the lyrics to symbolize their struggle for liberty. As if we are the oppressors and they are struggling for equality. Well, they aren't equal they aren't citizens. My dog has more rights. They have the right to go home, or jail. Go back and fix your own massively corrupt countries or become citizens. I have no idea what the point of this corruption of our national athem is, it is either to provoke, or created out of supreme stupidity(I doubt they didn't realize rewriting a countries national anthem would create a negative response). But it really doesn't make me think fondly of their cause. I'm completely sick and tired of discussing a group of people that illegally come here. And now we worry about their feelings and welfare? If someone just moved into my house because it was nicer than theirs, then proceeded to claim injustice when I told them to leave, told me to pay for this and that, then went to work for some employer I have nothing to do with, I doubt anyone would think that was crazy. It's our own damn fault though. The PC police have won this little battle. Really, the mindset is you must accept everything, no matter if it attacks your own cultural foundations. Oh, you can't judge them, that would be judging and ummm well that would mean you actually had values and standards of behaviour, and ummmm, values must be bad, Right? or else this wouldn't even be debated. Really, I'm becoming a bit radical on the whole immigration thing. Motion Detectors attached to machine guns are sounding like a good idea for border security. [:)] Fuck the illegals, and fuck businesses that use them, and fuck bush for not doing anything about it. As we print everything in two languages, and people wave a foreign countries flag on our own streets. I've seen jobs that require bilingual ability starting to appear here even. Now they are making there own version of the national anthem, just another small annoyance, adding up to being annoyed with them entirely. Unfortunately, the desperation not to say anything negative, keeps most silent or brain dead in conflict. How can a nation flourish when it's citizens can't communicate, how can anyone respect the law, when it's not enforced. How can you have a national identity and values, if those are subject to the whims of non-citizens. And our own citizens don't even have the slimmest shread of national identity or pride. What exactly is citizenship worth? Nothing? A nation at it's core is it's culture and values, the rest of it is just lines drawn on a map. This is a direct manipulation of our own national culture. Those things we all relate to. What next they'll want to play both versions at baseball games. Didn't lincoln say a house divided cannot stand. He at least understand a group of people completely disinterested in integration cannot be allowed. I think maybe our tanks are in the wrong country, and maybe should be headed south. Fuck, mexico has oil, and a it will be good vacation property. LOL, can you tell I don't like it. This is going to be fabulous for the country, maybe it will bring the other groups together though, as we realize how much it sucks to live in a non-integrated society. Long live Mexico. Canada's looking nice. In the end it all boils down to a group of people who's life sucks and it's easier just claim something much better(citizenship) using the easiest path possible. And a group of businesses that exploit this fact for no one benefits but themselves. Beautiful, convincing people to give away their own standard of living, under the guise of helping the poor, that want nothing but to displace you, and enriching the corporations. Ah got it. Glad I'm in a position to benefit from cheap labor, and poor folk. But if you say anything about it your intolerant. LOL. Good one. I feel better now. Anyone want anything from Taco Bell? hehe. Thanks.

Vendaval -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/28/2006 11:47:19 PM)
I am taking a "wait and see" position on this topic. My feelings and reactions are mixed. I want to observe how the song is used in the coming months while immigration politics are being hashed out in Congress and on the streets. Regards, -Vendaval- quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge I have just heard the "Spanish National Anthem." It is a Spanish version of the National Anthem of the United States of America. I am not quite sure how to feel about this. On the one hand, remaking a song is not uncommon so, in a musical sense I do agree with the concept. On the other hand, I find it to almost be a slap in the face to America. There will be a remix of the anthem containing protests of the US immigration laws. Again, I am not sure how to feel about this, but I am leaning toward finding it on the offensive side.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/28/2006 11:58:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou This is just another example of illegals claiming the US as their own. They changed the freakin words of the anthem as well. If they didn't do that it wouldn't be so bad. But they changed the lyrics to symbolize their struggle for liberty. As if we are the oppressors and they are struggling for equality. Well, they aren't equal they aren't citizens. My dog has more rights. THIS I believe is the reason most folks won't come out and speak on this, because folks who sound so... Being a citizen of the US is NOT what makes us equals. You compare human beings with your dog, and think it's okay. M

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 12:00:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou This is just another example of illegals claiming the US as their own. They changed the freakin words of the anthem as well. If they didn't do that it wouldn't be so bad. But they changed the lyrics to symbolize their struggle for liberty. As if we are the oppressors and they are struggling for equality. Well, they aren't equal they aren't citizens. My dog has more rights. THIS I believe is the reason most folks won't come out and speak on this, because folks who sound so... Being a citizen of the US is NOT what makes us equals. You compare human beings with your dog, and think it's okay. M Yes, in terms of rights as a citizen. It's absolutely true. Sorry

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 12:06:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Yes, in terms of rights as a citizen. It's absolutely true. Sorry No need to be sorry. It's kool to read and understand where folks stand on humanity. M

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 12:16:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Yes, in terms of rights as a citizen. It's absolutely true. Sorry No need to be sorry. It's kool to read and understand where folks stand on humanity. M LOL, So, you think people that break into your country should have citizenship rights? I don't think criminals should have anymore rights than other criminals. My dog has more rights than incarcerated criminals. Maybe not yours, but mine is allowed out of the house from time to time. I'm unsure why people breaking into our country should be treated any differently, or businesses using them. Your warping my words, as if I'm saying illegals are dogs. Ignoring the words rights, and citizenship. Would it make it more pallatable. If I changed it to say. US Criminals should have more rights than Illegal Criminals. Or qualified the fact that some rights are present as in humanitarian rights are present(even though the whole post was about citizenship rights). My point is illegals have no rights because they are all criminals just by being here. If someone broke into your house are going to have this debate with yourself, or would you be calling them much worse. It's interesting to me as well, how people focus on a single objectionable word and ignore the message and context it was used in.

MsMacComb -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 12:21:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subbecky All i can say is that we are reacting just like those muslims that threw a hissy fit over that Danish cartoon. If we're threatened by this, well we're a pretty weak nation after all. To be a bit more accurate numerous people were killed over the fiasco you mentioned. At this juncture its just a discussion so its not quite the same right? [:)]

MsMacComb -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 12:27:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou If someone just moved into my house because it was nicer than theirs, then proceeded to claim injustice when I told them to leave, told me to pay for this and that, then went to work for some employer I have nothing to do with, I doubt anyone would think that was crazy. Thats exactly what happened,,,,many years ago. We came here and took California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona from them. We decided their "house" was nice so we stole it and didnt pay a dime for it after murdering many of those "homeowners", their wives and kids. Remember the Alamo? Thats what that was all about.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 12:31:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsMacComb quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou If someone just moved into my house because it was nicer than theirs, then proceeded to claim injustice when I told them to leave, told me to pay for this and that, then went to work for some employer I have nothing to do with, I doubt anyone would think that was crazy. Thats exactly what happened,,,,many years ago. We came here and took California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona from them. We decided their "house" was nice so we stole it and didnt pay a dime for it after murdering many of those "homeowners", their wives and kids. Remember the Alamo? Thats what that was all about. LOL, but they did fight us over it. We didn't do any of that unless you are alot older than I think you are, US citizens years and years and years and years ago did that. I'm not my great-great-great-great grandfather. So, I didn't do it, neither was it stolen from the current mexican citizens. At some point that argument does become irrelevant.

MsMacComb -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 2:17:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou We didn't do any of that unless you are alot older than I think you are, US citizens years and years and years and years ago did that. I'm not my great-great-great-great grandfather. So, I didn't do it, neither was it stolen from the current mexican citizens. At some point that argument does become irrelevant. No doubt. Its irrelevant to many Americans but not as much to some Mexicans. Not unlike African Americans one thing that affects them in the financial sense in the long term is the inability to pass through generations property. A good deal of the wealth that many Americans now enjoy is through property values that appreciated over the last century. Land that was homesteaded for farming in the late 1800s and early 1900s which was passed through generations is now sold for millions for shopping malls, to developers for tract homes and other businesses. So again, in the unique set of circumstances that pertain to African Americans and Mexicans they either were not allowed to own property or it was taken from them. As recently as 1967 there was a shoot out in a court house over land grants known as the Tierra Amarilla Courthouse Raid in Northern New Mexico.The majority of Hispanics of Mexican descent in the southwest still feel like there should be legal action or reparations paid to them, as do Native Americans as well as African Americans. About a decade ago the Tesque Pueblo filed claim to all the water rights in the oldest consistently inhabited capital in the USA which is Santa Fe, New Mexico. There are many legal issues that people residing outside the southwest may not hear about or be aware of. But the bottom line is that these people take very seriously the atrocities that were bestowed upon them by "Americans" the last couple hundred years. So this is all off topic I know, but in my opinion the least important thing as far as racial issues, equality and humanitarian issues, border security, jobs, green cards, trafficking of drugs and humans for labor is whether or not a few Hispanics want to sing the National Anthem in Spanish. [:)]

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 3:00:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsMacComb No doubt. Its irrelevant to many Americans but not as much to some Mexicans. Not unlike African Americans one thing that affects them in the financial sense in the long term is the inability to pass through generations property. A good deal of the wealth that many Americans now enjoy is through property values that appreciated over the last century. Land that was homesteaded for farming in the late 1800s and early 1900s which was passed through generations is now sold for millions for shopping malls, to developers for tract homes and other businesses. So again, in the unique set of circumstances that pertain to African Americans and Mexicans they either were not allowed to own property or it was taken from them. As recently as 1967 there was a shoot out in a court house over land grants known as the Tierra Amarilla Courthouse Raid in Northern New Mexico.The majority of Hispanics of Mexican descent in the southwest still feel like there should be legal action or reparations paid to them, as do Native Americans as well as African Americans. About a decade ago the Tesque Pueblo filed claim to all the water rights in the oldest consistently inhabited capital in the USA which is Santa Fe, New Mexico. There are many legal issues that people residing outside the southwest may not hear about or be aware of. But the bottom line is that these people take very seriously the atrocities that were bestowed upon them by "Americans" the last couple hundred years. So this is all off topic I know, but in my opinion the least important thing as far as racial issues, equality and humanitarian issues, border security, jobs, green cards, trafficking of drugs and humans for labor is whether or not a few Hispanics want to sing the National Anthem in Spanish. [:)] Oh my MsMacComb! You speak very eloquently, and this is very similar to a discussion I was having behind the scenes recently, and about which I feel very strongly and connected to personally. So it may Indeed be off topic, but this is right on in response to NeedtoUseYou's rant. [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif] M

MistressDiane -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 5:28:11 AM)
I'm kind of torn here as well. I do know that it rubs me wrong for many reasons and the main one being that they are coming in illegally and demanding rights that we as American citizens have. If you want to be a citizen, fine I have no issues with that but it should be done the right way. What about the ones who are doing it the right way? Are they supposed to be pushed aside and told to get to the back of the line? There are steps in place one needs to follow to become a citizen and those steps are in place for a reason.

feastie -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 5:47:51 AM)
My paternal grandparents were born here, of newly emigrated parents. They spoke their native language in the home, but they also learned English. My father remembers his parents speaking with each other in their native language, but addressing him and his siblings in English. He and his sisters also picked up a bit of the language as well. There is nothing wrong with holding on to one's heritage, as long as you don't believe and attempt to force your heritage on others when you decide to become a part of a different nation. But when you decide, do it legally. If not, then your only expectation is to not have your expectations met. You have no voice because you gave yourself no voice.

Level -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 5:48:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig quote: ORIGINAL: MsMacComb No doubt. Its irrelevant to many Americans but not as much to some Mexicans. Not unlike African Americans one thing that affects them in the financial sense in the long term is the inability to pass through generations property. A good deal of the wealth that many Americans now enjoy is through property values that appreciated over the last century. Land that was homesteaded for farming in the late 1800s and early 1900s which was passed through generations is now sold for millions for shopping malls, to developers for tract homes and other businesses. So again, in the unique set of circumstances that pertain to African Americans and Mexicans they either were not allowed to own property or it was taken from them. As recently as 1967 there was a shoot out in a court house over land grants known as the Tierra Amarilla Courthouse Raid in Northern New Mexico.The majority of Hispanics of Mexican descent in the southwest still feel like there should be legal action or reparations paid to them, as do Native Americans as well as African Americans. About a decade ago the Tesque Pueblo filed claim to all the water rights in the oldest consistently inhabited capital in the USA which is Santa Fe, New Mexico. There are many legal issues that people residing outside the southwest may not hear about or be aware of. But the bottom line is that these people take very seriously the atrocities that were bestowed upon them by "Americans" the last couple hundred years. So this is all off topic I know, but in my opinion the least important thing as far as racial issues, equality and humanitarian issues, border security, jobs, green cards, trafficking of drugs and humans for labor is whether or not a few Hispanics want to sing the National Anthem in Spanish. [:)] Oh my MsMacComb! You speak very eloquently, and this is very similar to a discussion I was having behind the scenes recently, and about which I feel very strongly and connected to personally. So it may Indeed be off topic, but this is right on in response to NeedtoUseYou's rant. [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif] M Well, I hope whoever you were having the discussion with was reasonably bright. [8D] Level

DelightMachine -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 6:38:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: feastie There is nothing wrong with holding on to one's heritage, as long as you don't believe and attempt to force your heritage on others when you decide to become a part of a different nation. But when you decide, do it legally. If not, then your only expectation is to not have your expectations met. You have no voice because you gave yourself no voice. These are the best two paragraphs I've read on this thread so far. Incidentally, does anyone notice that it's the fact that people are here illegally that sticks in the craw of so many of the posters on this thread? They are uninvited and they are now demanding rights as people who are only here because they violated the rules. Thre is something offensive in that. A guest shouldn't go around making demands, and someone who is uninvited should be careful about even making requests. I think the vast majority of immigrants realize this. It's the organizers of these rallies who don't. I just heard one yammering on the radio -- the gist of it was that he was demanding rights, even saying that school children should leave school on Monday in order to appreciate the struggle their parents were involved in. People offended by the Spanish version of the anthem or by the Monday walkout or by the protests aren't necessarily saying they're anti-Hispanic or anti-immigrant, they just want the U.S. government and its people to be in charge of our country and its laws. Sealing the border and forcing employers to check the citizenship of employees is expensive, but we can do it, and we clearly need to do it.

DelightMachine -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 7:07:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsMacComb No doubt. Its irrelevant to many Americans but not as much to some Mexicans. Not unlike African Americans one thing that affects them in the financial sense in the long term is the inability to pass through generations property. A good deal of the wealth that many Americans now enjoy is through property values that appreciated over the last century. Land that was homesteaded for farming in the late 1800s and early 1900s which was passed through generations is now sold for millions for shopping malls, to developers for tract homes and other businesses. So again, in the unique set of circumstances that pertain to African Americans and Mexicans they either were not allowed to own property or it was taken from them. I'm probably not as familiar with New Mexico or Southwest history as you are, but I always understood that while the government changed, the people who were in New Mexico, California, etc. all were able to keep their land. Am I wrong? Did most get thrown off their land? There are a good number of people of Mexican descent that simply stayed on in New Mexico and, for the most part, are doing quite well today, from what I understand. Poor Hispanics are largely immigrants -- whose land was never taken from them because their ancestors never lived in the American Southwest. Before visiting New Mexico, I did some reading about it. Under the Spanish, the area was perpetually undeveloped, remaining a frontier for hundreds upon hundreds of years. If it were still a part of Mexico today, I think it's safe to say that it would be a lot poorer than it is today. Producing wealth is not a function of land (except in a very small degree) but a function of people using their labor in smarter ways -- that's what brings wealth. quote: The majority of Hispanics of Mexican descent in the southwest still feel like there should be legal action or reparations paid to them, as do Native Americans as well as African Americans. You mean the Hispanics of Mexican descent want reparations for the land they stole from the Native Americans? Should the Navajos give reparations to the Hopis because the Navajo reservation lands were all conquered lands that the Hopis used to own? Lucky for the Hopis that whatever group they stole their land from is probably now dead -- probably wiped out by some early ancestors of the present-day Hopis. quote: but in my opinion the least important thing as far as racial issues, equality and humanitarian issues, border security, jobs, green cards, trafficking of drugs and humans for labor is whether or not a few Hispanics want to sing the National Anthem in Spanish. [:)] Well, you could always start another thread. Just because something is less important than another thing doesn't mean it's not worth talking about.

MissA -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 7:23:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: feastie There is nothing wrong with holding on to one's heritage, as long as you don't believe and attempt to force your heritage on others when you decide to become a part of a different nation. But when you decide, do it legally. If not, then your only expectation is to not have your expectations met. You have no voice because you gave yourself no voice. This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my first post. I don't expect anyone to abandon their beliefs or heritage when they come to the U.S., but how can they think it's alright to force them on the U.S.? This is related to another person's post beside Feastie but It's true that there are now positions popping up in my area where you must be bilingual, how is that not discriminatory to other Americans? quote: ORIGINAL: DelightMachine I think the vast majority of immigrants realize this. It's the organizers of these rallies who don't. I just heard one yammering on the radio -- the gist of it was that he was demanding rights, even saying that school children should leave school on Monday in order to appreciate the struggle their parents were involved in. They've already been there and done that in Dallas...and the school's just let them - they even brought buses to bring them back to school when they were done. I think they walked out 2-3 days in a row before the schools said they'd consider it an absence. Some students who continued to walk out were suspended from prom and then they were all over the news going on and on about how unfair it was that they should be punished for disobeying. The most damaging thing was seeing a large part of the protestors wading into the sculptures and display items at a well-known fountain and playing on them like they were at a water park, not to mention when they stormed the doors of some building...[&:] ~Ms. A~

Saint -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 7:39:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsMacComb quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou We didn't do any of that unless you are alot older than I think you are, US citizens years and years and years and years ago did that. I'm not my great-great-great-great grandfather. So, I didn't do it, neither was it stolen from the current mexican citizens. At some point that argument does become irrelevant. No doubt. Its irrelevant to many Americans but not as much to some Mexicans. Not unlike African Americans one thing that affects them in the financial sense in the long term is the inability to pass through generations property. A good deal of the wealth that many Americans now enjoy is through property values that appreciated over the last century. Land that was homesteaded for farming in the late 1800s and early 1900s which was passed through generations is now sold for millions for shopping malls, to developers for tract homes and other businesses. So again, in the unique set of circumstances that pertain to African Americans and Mexicans they either were not allowed to own property or it was taken from them. As recently as 1967 there was a shoot out in a court house over land grants known as the Tierra Amarilla Courthouse Raid in Northern New Mexico.The majority of Hispanics of Mexican descent in the southwest still feel like there should be legal action or reparations paid to them, as do Native Americans as well as African Americans. About a decade ago the Tesque Pueblo filed claim to all the water rights in the oldest consistently inhabited capital in the USA which is Santa Fe, New Mexico. There are many legal issues that people residing outside the southwest may not hear about or be aware of. But the bottom line is that these people take very seriously the atrocities that were bestowed upon them by "Americans" the last couple hundred years. So this is all off topic I know, but in my opinion the least important thing as far as racial issues, equality and humanitarian issues, border security, jobs, green cards, trafficking of drugs and humans for labor is whether or not a few Hispanics want to sing the National Anthem in Spanish. [:)] It could be argued that EVERYONES ancestors at some point in time were oppressed through military might by someone else you know. Hell, Im english/german/french/irish/norwegian mix. Does that mean I have the right to sue every country my ancestors came from because they were 'oppressed', booted out, over-run, kicked in the head, or whatever? Oh hey look at that, if I sneak into those countries, does that mean I get to hold citizenships there because my ancestors were kicked out?? Does this mean I have a major multibillion dollar lawsuit for water and land rights?? GASP Im rich!! Dear god everyone here, QUICK!! TALK to your laywer, your ancestors were oppressed several hundred years ago and we are all potential millionairs! Sorry Charlie, but punishing someones great, great, great grandchildren for the sins of their forefathers is not only ludicrous but immoral as well and if you wish to make logic based arguments on the here and now, go for it and I will support it. But to pull up history over and over to twist, pervert, and corrupt the meaning of what we are discussing, then perhaps you shouldnt be posting at all? Unless this whole thread got sidetracked somehow, I do believe that taking over a country, area, nation, whatever, through military might and economic superiority is a LOT different than sneaking into that country illegally, draining its resources like some super parasite until the host dies from within, and than claiming you want the same rights as the people you are displacing ILLEGALLY, are two entirely different sort of circumstances and they need to be recognized as such.

champagnewishes -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 7:46:46 AM)
As far as I am concerned, Francis Scott Key witnessed the bombarding of Ft. McHenry during the Battle of Baltimore. He wrote a poem entitled "The Defense of Ft. McHenry". It was later named "The Star Spangled Banner". The song was adopted as the American National Anthem by an executive order from President Woodrow Wilson in 1916 and then again by an Act of Congress in 1931. That is the National Anthem of MY country and until I am told differently by either an executive order or an act of congress....anything else is just a song for someone's entertainment.

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