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Gauge -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 7:37:26 PM)
quote: To expect the hispanic community to 'mold' themselves to a caucasian ideal is unrealistic. To think that we can shut our borders is pretty unrealistic, too. Where did I say that I want the hispanic community to act like white America? Let them have their culture. Let them have their ways of life. And we can do whatever we want with our borders so, no, it is not unrealistic to say we can shut them. quote: Welcome the international influences that will mold this nation into it's new future. Embrace the change. The Great Melting Pot is a combination of ethnic backgrounds, it has been this way for better than two hundred years. Change has been embraced... funny though, no one has ever bullied this country like this before. It seems that we all adapted to the American way of life without expecting anyone to change for our benefit. Now I am supposed to rush with open arms and say, sure... go ahead, insinuate your culture over the American culture. No, I don't have to like being bullied. quote: Learn the Spanish American National Anthem and learn a little Spanish, while you're at it. I will not learn the Spanish National Anthem for the reasons I have stated before. I object to it's intent. I know some Spanish... I shouldn't have to learn it to depend on my general survival in my native land. An immigrant however, should learn the language and I don't give a shit what nationality they are. Wouldn't that be a fucking hoot if thousands of Americans illegally immigrated to... China and expected everyone to change their language to suit the Americans... I would love to hear those headlines. quote: Meanwhile, our schools and immigration laws can continue to implement testing of English as our National Language and testing of basic American history and political science for citizenship qualifications. Move over, people, times are changing, make room on the bench for others to have a seat. Oh stop already... the bleeding heart rhetoric is just sickening. Times may be changing, but I will not be held hostage in my own country either. I expect others to do nothing more than I would do if I lived in their country. I don't live there so there is no need for me to adapt to something else.

Gauge -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 7:51:57 PM)
quote: This will allow them to make money, it will cover jobs that are available here that no one wants, everyone gets paid a decent wage, everyone pays taxes, our border is secure and everyone wins. Enlighten me... where are these jobs that no one wants? quote: The entire point of the rest of my messages was simply to point out a bit of history and the fact that people like you that think they are beneath dogs, are very wrong. No one chooses their parents, their race, their nationality or gender. You could have just as easily been born Mexican, Chinese or whatever. You could also have been born deformed or mentally disadvantaged. My point is that those of us that have it easy, that have had the good fortune to "win the genetic lottery" should not turn a blind eye to those less fortunate and should try to assist them rather than ignore them. Who is turning a blind eye to legal immigrants? Who is turning a blind eye to poverty? It is not someone's fault where they were born or by what circumstances they were raised and it is within their rights to change their way of living. We have a system of laws for people that want to come here and have their shot at the so called American Dream. No one has said these people are dogs, or less than animals... I object to the fact that they demand something that they are not entitled to because they chose the short cut to get into this country rather than do it correctly.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 8:36:40 PM)
They didn't just sing it in spanish they changed all the lyrics to be about their "struggle" http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5369145. English translation: By the light of the dawn, do you see arising, what we proudly hailed at twilight's last fall? Its stars, its stripes yesterday streamed above fierce combat a gleaming emblem of victory and the struggle toward liberty. Throughout the night, they proclaimed: "We will defend it!" Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave above the land of the free, the sacred flag? Its stars, its stripes, liberty, we are the same. We are brothers in our anthem. In fierce combat, a gleaming emblem of victory and the struggle toward liberty. My people fight on. The time has come to break the chains. Throughout the night they proclaimed, "We will defend it!" Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave above the land of the free, the sacred flag?

blackpearl81 -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 8:46:00 PM)
Personally.. There's a few points I would like to address. 1. Proposed walk out on May 1st, and the rallies all around the country: I feel insulted. Belay that.. I'm fucking FURIOUS about it. No, I'm not racist... not in the least. But, for someone to ILLEGALLY enter the country, not pay taxes for whatever amount of time they have resided here in the U.S, then "demand" fair treatment/rights.. is appalling at the very best, hypocritical at worst. With all the slogans, posters, etc that were waving around in NYC the day of the rally, apparently everyone who was rallying was agreeing that it was ok to break the law... 2. The National Anthem: I think this is a slap in the face. To take a country's OFFICIAL national anthem, change the words around, then rename it, again, is appalling. Ironically enough, the president of the recording company, Anthony Kirdon (i believe his name is) is from the U.K 3. Mexicos "Anti-Gringo" day This makes me laugh the most.... Mexico, in their infinite wisdom, has decided to boycott all "white made" products.. Fine.. boycotting is a choice one can make.. but.. let me point out a few things that shouldn't be used as well.. since they feel it neccesary to boycott items/products/services that are "white owned" 1. NO electricity - last i checked.. good ole' Benjamin Franklin was a "gringo" 2. NO automobiles - last i checked, the automobile was invented by one "gringo" named Henry Ford 3. NO radios - last i checked.. this was invented by one Enrico Marconi.. not neccessarily an American (at the time of its invention, i believe he was living in Italy, but... he was caucasian so that should suffice) 4. NO telephones - invented by one "gringo" named Alexander Graham Bell. 5. Democracy - ok.. technically not an "invention" but the concept was brought up by.. you guessed it.. a ton of "gringos" who had a LOT of time on their hands. 6. The lightbulb - invented by one "gringo" named Thomas Edison, along with the Phonograph (so that means no Dj'ing either ) So.. by all means Mexico.. boycott all you want..and just remember.. don't do your boycott half-assed [;)] Now... with the person who said that: quote: Jimi Hendrix did the National Anthem (ever seen the movie "Woodstock"?) and I've even heard a jazz version by Doc Severinson, the band leader from the old Johnny Carson show. I don't know about Hendrix, but Severinson certainly meant no disrespect, and I don't think these Hispanic singers mean disrespect either. Therefore I don't have a big problem with it. Here's a few reasons why I don't see a problem with Hendrix's version of it. (Sidenote: - I never heard the jazz version of it, so i cannot and will not comment on it directly.) 1. He kept the musical arraingement original. He didnt put a different beat behind it. He didn't change the lyrics. It was straight, fuzzed out, lsd laced guitar. (I heard rumors that he would hid hits of lsd in the headband he wore..maybe someone has heard the same? ) 2. Referencing the above.. He most CERTIAINLY did NOT re-write the lyrics.. The artists changed some words, because they (the artists) "couldnt find a suitable translation" for certain words. Now... hitting off on a personal note. Last year, I hit some rough times.. the company i worked for "restructured" my position ( Web developer/DB Admin) Consquentially, I was evicted from my apartment in NYC, and had to go into a shelter for about 2 months, and also seek public assistance while i tried to get on my feet. Well... that was a waste of time.. I was denied.. because.. apparently i made too much money, (according to them, i made 1400 a month, while i was unemployed.. go figure that one out) And so, since my "gross monthly income" was more than their minimum requirement, they gave me a 200 dollar ebt/food stamp card, a hearty "fuck you very much, and have a nice day" and sent me on my way. Now.. keep in mind.. in the SAME building, I saw TONS of people... DRIPPING with gold, driving beemers & Benz's and they walked out of there with a helluva lot more than 200 in assistance. Go figure. The irony is.. if my last name was Gonzalez, Morales, Guerra, Huong, Fuaong, or Cho, I'd have every benefit in the book tossed at me, PLUS getting my happy a THROWN into school.. courtesy of the U.S. Gov't. Everything thats happening with the rallies, and the "walkout" is the equivalent of a burglar coming into someones home... sitting down to dinner, and DEMANDING desert. (although, if a Domina on here demanded desert, thats another story [;)]) Another thing. WHAT THE F* is this crap about having to know English and Spanish to get a job? WHAT THE F*** is that about? I'm Italian, and so are my parents, their parents, and my parents parents. When they were at home, they spoke both, when they were out in the real world, they spoke English. (To this day, my grandmother will STILL ask for me to pass her the "basilagot" which is basil.) Let me tell you.... when she does....you should see the look on my face... im talkin "deer in the headlights" look.. lol Sorry for sounding so harsh.. but this, quite frankly, has reached the breaking point, and i needed a place to vent.... gets off the soap box, and goes to find something constructive to do Oh, by the way, has anyone seen a thread on the forums about places where we can show off our artistic talents? Ie. musical compositions, art, stories/poems, etc? Thanks... Bp

caitlyn -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 9:00:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge Enlighten me... where are these jobs that no one wants? All over the south Gauge. You live in Pennsylvania, and may have a different perspective, but down here in South Texas, we need these people. In the Rio Grande Valley, there are tens of thousands of agra jobs that wouldn't be done if we had to rely on citizen labor, because they are jobs that nobody would do, or would want so much money that we would be paying a dollar for a grapefruit. In response to my post concerning the Irish in the Civil War (I'm Irish too, by the way), you mentioned that there was a great difference in that these people were not here illegally. You are completely correct ... they were not illegal, because we had no silly restriction in immigration back then ... you know, give us your tired, your poor, etc, etc, etc ... At one point, those words were one of the cornerstones of America. In my opinion, we should immediately get rid of all immigration laws and go back to what the founding father intended, and what made us great. Oh, this protectionist crapola that some people spout "sounds" like a good plan and spins well while waving the flag ... but think this through for a minute. The people spouting this are the same people that are bitching because American companies are going overseas to get cheap labor. Well no shit ... if you make it illegal to have cheap labor right here at home ... then you won't have cheap labor for American businesses, now will you? Honestly, as a young American new to the political scene, sometimes I think the American people have lost their fucking minds and only respond to things that make a good rally cry, rather than what makes common sense. If we open up the borders, we can have a ton of cheap labor, and American businesses will have a good reason to stay at home. We can actually be competitive in the world market again, and won't have to read endless posts about how China is kicking our ass because they have cheap labor. If we keep waving the flag and drawing redneck lines in the sand, we will have lazy Americans making $18 an hour to pick fruit, and the only American businesses left, will be the ones that can make huge profits by bending over the American taxpayer ... for instance, our oil companies.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 9:32:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge Enlighten me... where are these jobs that no one wants? All over the south Gauge. You live in Pennsylvania, and may have a different perspective, but down here in South Texas, we need these people. In the Rio Grande Valley, there are tens of thousands of agra jobs that wouldn't be done if we had to rely on citizen labor, because they are jobs that nobody would do, or would want so much money that we would be paying a dollar for a grapefruit. In response to my post concerning the Irish in the Civil War (I'm Irish too, by the way), you mentioned that there was a great difference in that these people were not here illegally. You are completely correct ... they were not illegal, because we had no silly restriction in immigration back then ... you know, give us your tired, your poor, etc, etc, etc ... At one point, those words were one of the cornerstones of America. In my opinion, we should immediately get rid of all immigration laws and go back to what the founding father intended, and what made us great. Oh, this protectionist crapola that some people spout "sounds" like a good plan and spins well while waving the flag ... but think this through for a minute. The people spouting this are the same people that are bitching because American companies are going overseas to get cheap labor. Well no shit ... if you make it illegal to have cheap labor right here at home ... then you won't have cheap labor for American businesses, now will you? Honestly, as a young American new to the political scene, sometimes I think the American people have lost their fucking minds and only respond to things that make a good rally cry, rather than what makes common sense. If we open up the borders, we can have a ton of cheap labor, and American businesses will have a good reason to stay at home. We can actually be competitive in the world market again, and won't have to read endless posts about how China is kicking our ass because they have cheap labor. If we keep waving the flag and drawing redneck lines in the sand, we will have lazy Americans making $18 an hour to pick fruit, and the only American businesses left, will be the ones that can make huge profits by bending over the American taxpayer ... for instance, our oil companies. Ummmm, So, you want to open the borders to anyone and everyone without restriction. Ok, you realize that would drag the average US worker down to third world wages? And you are still for it? Not understanding how this helps anyone except the corporations, as they'd get cheap labor, but average guys loses opportunity. And for a long period of US history, you know much more I'm sure being immersed in history classes, now in school. Weren't huge sections of the US virtually empty. Thus a need for as many as we could get. I don't think that's the problem now. Also, we didn't have a huge welfare system like we do today. So, the incentive, to leech the system wasn't present. So, I guess it would be the same if we reverted back to a non-welfare state. As in no medical care if you don't have money, no housing if you can't afford it, etc.... Then all coming would be coming for work. Also if we discovered huge inhabitable regions of land previously undiscovered, and ripe for development. I don't really see how our past immigration policy which was based on the conditions at the time, can be transposed to the current situation, and yield the same result. All the variables are different.

WyrdRich -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 9:45:34 PM)
I've only heard snippets of the Spanish version and don't have all the facts. I think this COULD be a good thing. I'd like to add something that might apply. Back in the bad old days of the Cold War, my unit deployed to Okinawa for training in the rain. I had the Hendrix tape along and the Captain (one of the good ones) didn't take much pitching on the idea. Friday morning at Formation, the flag starting moving up about 15' of flagpole and that guitar started playing. It seemed like a good idea.... except the Hendrix version is LOOONG. There we stood saluting for better than 3 minutes while the guys on the flagpole inched Old Glory up, trying to get there just at the end. No great rays of sunshine but it wasn't pouring rain right then either. Scattered among the good ole boys and rednecks were those of us who had long hair and inhaled in high school. That morning we got our say. "My Country just as much as yours a**hole!" As long as they mean to sing it in honor of their country, I don't care about the language.

MsMacComb -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 10:25:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge Enlighten me... where are these jobs that no one wants? If you eat onions or food with onions in it is 100% assured that a Mexican child picked it. They average about 60 cents an hour. We're talking kids like 7 years old. Labor laws in the US do NOT apply to migrant workers even if they are minors. Feel free to verify any of the above with Dept of Labor, Agriculture Dept etc. Cleaning toilets, washing dishes, cutting lawns, changing diapers on old people, shoveling manure in barns, decapitating chickens, to name a few. All at $5.35, no vacations, no benefits, no insurance, no sick leave, no job security, no legal protections, no recourse. Would you want to do that for a career? The flip side is of course unemployed Americans who refuse to do any of these jobs but just live off of welfare and assistance, all the while complaining about illegals.

Gauge -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 10:59:00 PM)
quote: Cleaning toilets, washing dishes, cutting lawns, changing diapers on old people, shoveling manure in barns, decapitating chickens, to name a few. All at $5.35, no vacations, no benefits, no insurance, no sick leave, no job security, no legal protections, no recourse. Would you want to do that for a career? I must confess that I have an addiction. I have had this addiction as a child and I have not been able to stop it even though I have tried. It is called eating and it is a basic need. I have scrubbed toilets, cut lawns, did random farm work including shoveling shit from barns. I didn't get paid much, had no benefits, no insurance, no vacation, no sick time... I did it because I can't kick that nasty habit of eating. People will work if they like to eat. Oh... and I did those jobs for $3.25/hour Don't tell me that these are jobs no one wants. Give me a break. But what you are saying is that you condone the use of these people because they are merely convienent forms of cheap labor? Nice... China does that too. Wonderful. quote: The flip side is of course unemployed Americans who refuse to do any of these jobs but just live off of welfare and assistance, all the while complaining about illegals. Oh... Yeah... and no illegal immigrants take advantage of assistance and welfare... just us nasty old Americans. Last time I looked, Americans were entitled to assistance if they qualified for it. If it is a system that can be abused is another topic completely. Illegal immigrants are getting medical care from government funded clinics. I am sure they do other things, like not pay taxes and more. But I am supposed to offer carte blanche to them and give them amnesty because they demand it as a right. That isn't going to pass the sniff test with me.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/29/2006 11:03:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsMacComb If you eat onions or food with onions in it is 100% assured that a Mexican child picked it. They average about 60 cents an hour. We're talking kids like 7 years old. Labor laws in the US do NOT apply to migrant workers even if they are minors. Feel free to verify any of the above with Dept of Labor, Agriculture Dept etc. Cleaning toilets, washing dishes, cutting lawns, changing diapers on old people, shoveling manure in barns, decapitating chickens, to name a few. All at $5.35, no vacations, no benefits, no insurance, no sick leave, no job security, no legal protections, no recourse. Would you want to do that for a career? The flip side is of course unemployed Americans who refuse to do any of these jobs but just live off of welfare and assistance, all the while complaining about illegals. edited because the quoted didn't get passed in. Cleaning toilets(my first job when I was 16 was as a janitors assistant over the summer did this and much more, it was just a summer job though, so never listed it on a resume), washing dishes(my nephews job as I speak), cutting lawns(never did this as a job), changing diapers on old people(my stepmother did this for a few years, disgusting but if you want to help the elderly, rewarding helping them), shoveling manure in barns(never did this), decapitating chickens(Friend worked at a turkey farm killing and cutting them up), to name a few. LOL, must be because there aren't that many illegals around here yet. But, that will change, I'm sure.

blackpearl81 -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 12:07:24 AM)
1. quote: but just live off of welfare and assistance, all the while complaining about illegals No offense intended.. but you have to get ON welfare to live off of it (referring to my earlier post) Personally.. if this shit ever gets put to a vote, about granting illegals amnesty.. bet your sweet ass im voting AGAINST it.. we got enough problems of our own.. if we spent 1/3rd less time playing "global cops" and spent that time tending our own damn needs... social security wouldnt go bust in 30 years, unemployment would drop, and kids would be getting better educated. 2. quote: The people spouting this are the same people that are bitching because American companies are going overseas to get cheap labor. Fuckin'a right im bitching... dropping 12k to go to a tech school, recieved 2 computer certifications, plus an associates degree in electronic engineering. To give you an idea of my aptitude.. i was the ONLY student in 5.5 years to recieve both the repair certification, AND the networking degree.. quote: If we open up the borders, we can have a ton of cheap labor, and American businesses will have a good reason to stay at home. What a bunch of crapola.... I spent 3 years post-graduate looking for a job.. just to find out that they gave my job to some dumbfuck overseas that dont know fuck all about computer network systems... or better yet.. how about the company i work for.. IBM getting bought by the Chinese... you REALLY think those fucks are gonna keep jobs here in the us? Sad part is... when you have a problem with your Hell.. oops.. meant DELL, or HP, or whatever brand pc you own.. chances are your gonna be talkin to someone that you WONT be able to understand.. whos first name has more consonants than the damn alphabet...and.. again.. who dont know fuck all about computer systems, who read from a 12 inch thick manual telling you what to do, what to click on. So yah.. opening up the borders is going to make businesses stay at home.. right.. uh huh.. obviously you haven't read the papers about Dell providing 20,000 jobs in india, or HP opening up another call center in china, for 15,000 people.. Be like Juan Valdez... wake up. and smell the coffee. Be well Bp

MsMacComb -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 1:42:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge [I must confess that I have an addiction. I have had this addiction as a child and I have not been able to stop it even though I have tried. It is called eating and it is a basic need. I have scrubbed toilets, cut lawns, did random farm work including shoveling shit from barns. I didn't get paid much, had no benefits, no insurance, no vacation, no sick time... I did it because I can't kick that nasty habit of eating. People will work if they like to eat. Oh... and I did those jobs for $3.25/hour Don't tell me that these are jobs no one wants. Give me a break. But what you are saying is that you condone the use of these people because they are merely convienent forms of cheap labor? Nice... China does that too. Wonderful. Oh... Yeah... and no illegal immigrants take advantage of assistance and welfare... just us nasty old Americans. Last time I looked, Americans were entitled to assistance if they qualified for it. If it is a system that can be abused is another topic completely. Illegal immigrants are getting medical care from government funded clinics. I am sure they do other things, like not pay taxes and more. But I am supposed to offer carte blanche to them and give them amnesty because they demand it as a right. That isn't going to pass the sniff test with me. Your acting like I am a "coyote" running illegals across the border for my own profit. Or perhaps you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Either way the reality is this (your laudable toilet cleaning career notwithstanding) in large metro areas virtually the ONLY people showing up to do those jobs these days are immigrants legal or otherwise. In the south and the south west those numbers are higher. State and think what you like but business owners will tell you otherwise. They have signs on the door for these types of jobs perpetually and no one replies except illegals. I AM telling you that now these people are by and large the only people that apply for these jobs! If you want to prove me otherwise then shut your mouth and go get a job in the fields. You will be the ONLY white boy and the ONLY one with a green card. Thats just a fact, like it or not. As to the rest,,,,, ahhh you know what? Your either just arguing for the sake of that itself or are pretty daft. There is no shortage of info regarding this all over the web, television, radio, stats via Labor Debt. info from business owners, tax returns or lack of and on and on and on. There are between 11 and 20 MILLION illegals doing jobs no one else wants. If the unemployemt rate was being raised by this issue we would have about 20 percent unemployment and guess what buddy, we don't. What the hell does that tell you? That no one WANTS these jobs. Whatever, you seem to debate things just to see your "Rico Suave wannabe profile photo". Come to me with some real evidence or a good point, otherwise I'm done talking to a wall.

caitlyn -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 6:14:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Ummmm, So, you want to open the borders to anyone and everyone without restriction. Ok, you realize that would drag the average US worker down to third world wages? And you are still for it? Not understanding how this helps anyone except the corporations, as they'd get cheap labor, but average guys loses opportunity. Exactly how again, why would this drag the average worker down to third world wages? Considering that these people wouldn't even be in competition for the same jobs, I'm not sure I make that connection at all. As a matter of fact, I would make te exact oposite argument. If American businnes had a pool a pool of cheap labor, they could stay at home. They would need managers for these people. They would have a wealth of skilled jobs needed to support these businesses. They would need IT systems. The poster above, blackpearl81, probably wouldn't have had to wait three years to get a job in the IT field, because there would be a wealth of businesses right here at home, with a ton of IT needs. The answer to the economic woes of the nation, is growth. Growth in areas where we are just being destroyed right now, because we have such a limited pool of cheap labor. Just my opinion. I feel that the people trying to "protect" the jobs of the American worker, are actually costing the American worker a chance at a better job, with better opportunity.

blackpearl81 -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 7:22:37 AM)
quote: Exactly how again, why would this drag the average worker down to third world wages? Considering that these people wouldn't even be in competition for the same jobs, I'm not sure I make that connection at all. Here.. let me help you make this connection: Why pay you 8.00 an hour to pick fruit, do lawn maintenence, or whatever... and worry about osha regulations, job safety, and health risks... when i can pick an illegal, who'll do the same job for 5.50 an hour, and cant make ANY complaint about work conditions, health risks or anything of the like... gee.. real tough decision eh? Try living on that... THAT is why the illegals need to stay out.. the more illegals we have.. the lower the pay rate drops. Now.. thats with 2 people competing for a shit job... now amplify that situation by ohhh 100 fold... like the last interview when I lived in nyc. I had an interview with a company called "4G Data systems". (little bit of back history here) about 10 years ago, a technician/admin with my skills could EASILY start off at 17+ an hour. Now.. (not neccesarily due to illegals) with the influx (read: TIDAL WAVE) of IT people joining the market, the pay rate for a field technician ALONE dropped to less than 12 an hour (4g data wanted to offer me 10, but I told them to go fuck themselves) Now.. thats a field tech.. that's not including working at a help desk, which... 85% are staffed overseas (wanna test my theory? call the Dell, HP, Toshiba help desk) So yeah.. why pay me the 14-18 an hour I'm worth.. when its just SO much easier to hire some dumbfuck who dont know fuck all, give him access to a knowledgebase (so he can look up all these wonderfull problems your having) and tell you what to do.. instead of hiring someone like myslf... who would rely on the 7+ years experience, and 2 years of schooling. quote: The poster above, blackpearl81, probably wouldn't have had to wait three years to get a job in the IT field, because there would be a wealth of businesses right here at home, with a ton of IT needs. Sorry, but your wrong. "wealth of business right here at home?" wtf kinda crap is this. again... you dont know about the MASSIVE outsourcing overseas... so they can pay joeblow dumbfuck 6.00 an hour to read a troubleshooting script to you over the phone.. EVERYTIME i get to the point where i have to call a tech support line because a particular problem is beyond my scope.. i HAVE to tell the guy "ive already done the basic troubleshooting : ie, pinging workstations, tracert, netstat, etc" and you know what? he STILL makes me go through it.. kinda makes you wonder don't it? quote: Just my opinion. I feel that the people trying to "protect" the jobs of the American worker, are actually costing the American worker a chance at a better job, with better opportunity. checks Caitlyns profile Ok..Your what... 19? Ok.. fine.. im 24, so were in the same age bracket.. I'm sure you'll feel this way about "protecting" jobs.. when 5 years down the road.. (assuming you go to college, which is what im thinking.. yes.. i could be wrong on this ) You wont want to take a job that you've gone to school for, because they pay rate sucks. And why does the pay rate suck? Oops.. forgot.. they gave your job away to Emanuel Garcia [;)] cus they can pay him 7.50 an hour to do your job. solly cholly Another point. God forbid, after 10 years down the road, something happens, you lose your job, or whatever. and you have to go on public assistance. You wont be able to.. WHY? cus the illegals have made the cost of living drop like a stone. Want an example? Ok.. heres an example: In the state of New York, to get on public assistance in any way, shape, or form, (food stamps, medicade, or housing assistance) you CANNOT make more than 648 dollars a month. Now.. just for comparisons sake. The apartment im looking at later today... is 700 a month (NOT including utilities) tack on utilities, heat/electricity, thats another... we'll say 100, tack on phone, theres another 40 bucks. So right off the bat.. im disqualified..because.. if barely make enough to afford rent, that puts me over the 648 minimum. So now what? Now what do i do? I cant get on public assistance, because I make too much. (again, the rent alone is above the minimum) and furthermore, they count what you make BEFORE taxes.. so if my paycheck is 500 every 2 weeks (thats assuming minimum wage @ 6.25 an hour x 40 hours = 250 a week, on a bi-weekly pay scale) thats BEFORE taxes... which.. is how they account it. so.. 500 every 2 weeks x 2 (4 weeks in a month) = 1000 a month.. which.. im denied.. cus thats 352 dollars more than the minimum requirements. Now.. lets tack on taxes... (I'm using previous tax rates that I've seen at former jobs) 250 each week.. amounts to about 40 in taxes per check.. since it's a 2 week pay period. we'll double it for simplicities sake. 500 every paycheck (2 week) - 80 for taxes, leaves you with about 420.... 420x2 = 840 per month (remember, 2-2week blocks in a month) again.. DENIED for federal assistance. now.. your rent is 700, utils, are about 100 (not including phone) and phone is 40 guess what? you my dear.. are now broke. no food for you and again.. the gov't is no help, because you already made too much. And yes... im speaking from personal experience with this, as seen on a previous post. Again.... be like Juan Valdez. Wake up. and smell the coffee. *btw.. who wants a refill of Maxwell House??* *Bp*

Arpig -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 8:37:52 AM)
quote: If someone wants to put forth their political rhetoric about the country they live in, placing it an a rendition of that countries national anthem is disrespectful of the heritage of that country. Actually, there is a tradition of doing just this....have you forgotten Jimi Hendrix's performance at Woodstock?

MissA -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 9:04:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blackpearl81 we got enough problems of our own.. if we spent 1/3rd less time playing "global cops" and spent that time tending our own damn needs... social security wouldnt go bust in 30 years, unemployment would drop, and kids would be getting better educated. That's a whole other can of worms...it seems to me for all I can see we're constantly handing out money and aid to countries all around the world who say right to our faces that they hate and despise us. Why not feed our own starving children? House our own homeless? Train our own unskilled? Surely we'd create a million new jobs just in doing that and all right here in the U.S.! Imagine that... ~Ms. A~

blackpearl81 -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 9:22:24 AM)
quote: That's a whole other can of worms...it seems to me for all I can see we're constantly handing out money and aid to countries all around the world who say right to our faces that they hate and despise us. Why not feed our own starving children? House our own homeless? Train our own unskilled? Surely we'd create a million new jobs just in doing that and all right here in the U.S.! Imagine that... OMG I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU LOL.. at least SOMEONE agrees with me :P And yes, the teaching jobs alone, could create TONS of new jobs/opportunities sp quote:* Actually, there is a tradition of doing just this....have you forgotten Jimi Hendrix's performance at Woodstock? yes , your right about it being tradition... that's not the problem....the problem is the WAY it was done.. like i pointed out in a previous post, Hendrix didn't change the music, he didn't re-write the lyrics because there wasn't a "approximate translation" this is OUR anthem.. if someone dont like the way its sung.. don't sing it. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of "outrage" that would erupt if we did the same thing to another countries anthem. By the way..has anyone read the articles on Mexico's "anti-gringo" day? Be well Bp

LadiesBladewing -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 10:39:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blackpearl81 Now... hitting off on a personal note. Last year, I hit some rough times.. the company i worked for "restructured" my position ( Web developer/DB Admin) Consquentially, I was evicted from my apartment in NYC, and had to go into a shelter for about 2 months, and also seek public assistance while i tried to get on my feet. Well... that was a waste of time.. I was denied.. because.. apparently i made too much money, (according to them, i made 1400 a month, while i was unemployed.. go figure that one out) And so, since my "gross monthly income" was more than their minimum requirement, they gave me a 200 dollar ebt/food stamp card, a hearty "fuck you very much, and have a nice day" and sent me on my way. Now.. keep in mind.. in the SAME building, I saw TONS of people... DRIPPING with gold, driving beemers & Benz's and they walked out of there with a helluva lot more than 200 in assistance. Go figure. The irony is.. if my last name was Gonzalez, Morales, Guerra, Huong, Fuaong, or Cho, I'd have every benefit in the book tossed at me, PLUS getting my happy a** THROWN into school.. courtesy of the U.S. Gov't. I have to concur on this. I've been working since I was 8, and on my own since I was 15. When I developed medical problems at 19, I was working as a nanny with no insurance benefits, earning room and board in a 3-bedroom mobile home with 2 adults and 4 kids, all under 3 (1 set of twins), plus myself. I got $20 cash a week. When I got ill, I went to apply for medicaid benefits and was -denied-. The reason... my PARENTS made too much money. I hadn't lived with them for 4 years, and had been supporting myself for all that time, and yet, because my parents were middle-income, -I- wasn't eligible for benefits to keep me alive... and yet, the illegal immigrants who frequented our area just had to walk in the door to be provided with a place to live, food, medical care and school... OH.. and I also didn't qualify for financial aid for school... for the exact same reason. My parents made too much money. Even though i was trying to pay my own way through school, and hadn't asked my parents for a DIME! I survived, but I have to admit that there is a measure of unfairness in the way we treat people. If you've been here a while, hunkered down, pushed, pulled, and driven yourself to become something, you are -penalized-, while individuals who haven't done anything to benefit the community OR themselves are given every assistance. If this sounds bitter, I'll be the first to admit that it is. I am also a Texas resident now, and spent 2 years unemployed when I arrived here, with an excellent resume and 15 years experience, because I didn't realize when I moved here from the East Coast that every job that I applied would require that I not only KNOW a measure of conversational Spanish (which I do know a bit of, having worked as a midwife in El Paso for a couple of years), but that I be _FLUENT_ in Spanish and considered completely bi-lingual, which I am not. I'm not talking about fancy jobs, either. I'm talking about working as an AA, secretary, or filing clerk! Lady Zephyr

FangsNfeet -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 10:53:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Saratov If singing them in their country of origin we would do it in the language of origin. Just like their national anthems, or should we translate other countries anthems to english so as to be easier for americans living there? It's nice to sing things in my language first so that I know what I'm singing when I switch over to the new language.

caitlyn -> RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem (4/30/2006 11:10:58 AM)
Oh well ... we will have to agree to not agree. To me, you are bothered by the outsourcing of jobs by American businesses, and the impact that has on your employability ... and in the save breath, advocate a system that ensures greater and greater outsourcing. I would never want to be the sort of person that would tell someone else that their opinion was wrong, but would like to point out that a system of limited protectionism is now in place, and for whatever reason you still had a difficult time quickly finding a job. Perhaps it might be time to give another system a chance ... nothing radical, just a return to one that has a proven track record of providing industrial growth for the nation.

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