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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/26/2010 4:49:20 AM   
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BTW you sound like a real cooking connoisseur!


Believe it or not, that inspired me to try bread making again - it's always been a hole in my otherwise competent cooking skills.

Last night I finally managed to make Focaccia that couldn't be used as a substitute for Chobham armour.

I'd like to thank you for spurring me on to give it another bash


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Marco Pierre White's glazed pork belly


Well I'm glad I inspired you. Equally you inspired me (though I will hold you entirely responsible!) to go to my local farm today and buy some belly pork. I have looked up Marco Peirr's recipe and it sounds good.

In the summer I made a mountain of jam, mustard and preserves, as well as canning a lot of fruit and seaweed. I make my own organic pectin from wind fall apples that grow in a local abandoned orchard. I couldn't do any of this without my well serviced old pressure cooker. With my accumulated food supply, I barter for other foods amongst my local community and so always have a supply of gifted bread, fish, honey and tinctures.
Someone gave me a book in the summer which helps you identify wild herbs, edible fungi and seaweed and this has proved to be fun because it gives food a whole different take. Wild herbs are much stronger than the relatives we use.

I think modern man throws away far too much meat. People in this country should learn to hang, cure and flambe meat.

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/26/2010 4:55:08 AM   
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It floors me when they pump meat with water and sell it.

Like why do I want to pay for WATER?



Bacon. It's a fucking disgrace. Here's a little-known fact ... in the UK, regulations state that water can be added. Ok, fine, so long as it's labelled then "whatever". The thing is, the machines that add the water work to tolerances of 0.01%, but the regulations state that the label only has to be "accurate" (a somewhat laughable term in this context) to within 10% of its stated amount. Yes, that's right, TEN PERCENT!

Obviously, the producers aren't stupid. So when you buy bacon that's labelled as containing "5% water", it will actually contain 15%, and one labelled as containing 15% will be one quarter water. It's a flat-out con.

Personally I don't have any issue with battery farming - it's all very well for wealthy, middle-class types to get all frothy about what they feed little Jasper & Jemima, but not everyone has the money to be able to buy free-range or organic (and Organic's the biggest con of the lot), so I wouldn't ban it, but what I do like to see is accurate labelling, so the consumer can make an informed choice. I tend to buy free-range chickens & eggs, only because I think the taste is better. But that's my personal choice, and I wouldn't remove the choice others have to do differently.

I’m also fortunate enough to have not one, but two, proper old-fashioned butchers within 5 mins drive of me, so I can get proper bacon, with rind. And proper pork too. Yum

3 cheers for innumeracy!

2% broth +/-10% = 1.8 to 2.2% broth.


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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/26/2010 6:04:33 AM   
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What I've done a lot of lately (as financial times are not great for me either ATM) is go back to more "traditional", cheaper cuts. For example, shin of beef is like boot leather, but slow cooked with wine & herbs it's one of the best casserole meats ever.

I've also liberated an old item I bought about a decade ago from the back of the cupboard; my pressure cooker... a shin of beef casserole could take up to 4 hours as a simmer on the hob job, but 40-50 mins in the pressure cooker and it's job done, so you're saving lots of energy too, and that's expensive stuff these days.



i think that a lot of wise restaurants and home cooks have started doing this, nowadays. There's a lot to be said for digging up those old braise and stew recipes that make a cheap cut of meat go a long way... and taste fantastic too. Mostly, it just takes good planning.


Exactly. That, and use of offal, is pretty much the basis of French cooking, and most people consider that pretty good

And Italian peasant cooking, and that's delicious.

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/26/2010 6:09:19 AM   
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In the summer I made a mountain of jam, mustard and preserves, as well as canning a lot of fruit and seaweed. I make my own organic pectin from wind fall apples that grow in a local abandoned orchard. I couldn't do any of this without my well serviced old pressure cooker. With my accumulated food supply, I barter for other foods amongst my local community and so always have a supply of gifted bread, fish, honey and tinctures.
Someone gave me a book in the summer which helps you identify wild herbs, edible fungi and seaweed and this has proved to be fun because it gives food a whole different take. Wild herbs are much stronger than the relatives we use.

I think modern man throws away far too much meat. People in this country should learn to hang, cure and flambe meat.


Agreed.

You sound way ahead of me in the preserves department - this was my first year. I've done Sicilian aubergines* in chilli, herbs and olive oil (will be ready in a few weeks), lemon curd (proper, old style lemon curd, but from a Pam The Jam recipe* that includes apples too, and is stunningly moreish), and marmalade.

Oh and I’ve developed what I believe to be the best Harissa paste recipe ever, by combining 2 recipes into one. Sneaky, but effective

*they're like normal aubergines, but you hold a gun to the cook's head
** http://www.amazon.co.uk/Preserves-River-Cottage-Handbook-No-2/dp/0747595321/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290780434&sr=8-1

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/26/2010 6:10:58 AM   
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It floors me when they pump meat with water and sell it.

Like why do I want to pay for WATER?



Bacon. It's a fucking disgrace. Here's a little-known fact ... in the UK, regulations state that water can be added. Ok, fine, so long as it's labelled then "whatever". The thing is, the machines that add the water work to tolerances of 0.01%, but the regulations state that the label only has to be "accurate" (a somewhat laughable term in this context) to within 10% of its stated amount. Yes, that's right, TEN PERCENT!

Obviously, the producers aren't stupid. So when you buy bacon that's labelled as containing "5% water", it will actually contain 15%, and one labelled as containing 15% will be one quarter water. It's a flat-out con.

Personally I don't have any issue with battery farming - it's all very well for wealthy, middle-class types to get all frothy about what they feed little Jasper & Jemima, but not everyone has the money to be able to buy free-range or organic (and Organic's the biggest con of the lot), so I wouldn't ban it, but what I do like to see is accurate labelling, so the consumer can make an informed choice. I tend to buy free-range chickens & eggs, only because I think the taste is better. But that's my personal choice, and I wouldn't remove the choice others have to do differently.

I’m also fortunate enough to have not one, but two, proper old-fashioned butchers within 5 mins drive of me, so I can get proper bacon, with rind. And proper pork too. Yum

3 cheers for innumeracy!

2% broth +/-10% = 1.8 to 2.2% broth.



No sorry, I was wrong, but the effect is correct - it's not 10% of the stated amount, it's 10% of the total amount. My bad.

So the maths was right but my wording wasn't, if you follow me.

PS: Good spot!

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/26/2010 1:42:14 PM   
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Well now, are you going to share that Harissa recipe?

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/26/2010 8:30:26 PM   
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and to promote the benefits of a vegan diet and lifestyle



That was the line that caught my attention, too. I'm not saying that the story does not have some merit but the folks who compiled and host it don't strike me as likely to be very objective about it.

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/27/2010 3:04:09 AM   
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Well now, are you going to share that Harissa recipe?


Ordinarily I'd be only too happy to, but I've just looked at my "recipes" folder and realised I did it "on the fly", from 2 recipes I found online, neither of which I can find again with a "light look"

Let the coffee and ciggies take hold and I'll have a rummage through the joy that is the net in a bit and see what gives, ok?

I have to re-create it, if only because I'm down to my last jar!

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/27/2010 9:00:44 AM   
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Well now, are you going to share that Harissa recipe?


Ye gods, what a palaver that turned out to be! On the neg side it’s taken me about 2 hours to not find a fucking thing written down here (I normally write my recipes up in Word format and store them on my trusty PC, but no joy), but on the pos side I've found my recipe for Nam Prik Pao, so it’s not been a wasted afternoon

I’ve done some “shadow cooking” – this is where I stand at the cooker like a lemon and pretend I'm putting things into a pretend pan; it’s the only way I can visualise what I've done. Thankfully the (newly washed!) nets are up or the neighbours would have called a loony wagon by now, and I think I've finally cracked it, so here we go ...

First off, a word about the “sorts” of Harissa; some are merely a blending of chillies and a few spices, others are more of a “jam” or “paste”, made as a preserve. This recipe falls into the latter category, so it’s a bit more involved, but worth the effort (I think, you may not agree of course).

Secondly, the chillies; it’s always a nightmare trying to describe which chillies are which because the names vary country by country, so forgive me if I'm a bit “descriptive”. I experimented with several sorts and, although you're after a fiery paste (well I am at any rate), I found the truly mental strength chillies like scotch bonnets weren’t the way forward; loads of heat (good god the heat!) but not flavour, so they're out. In the end I used a blend of small hot, green chillies (which in the UK I would describe as “Asian chillies” because they're used most often in Indian and Chinese cuisine, and milder (but still hot) fatter, longer red chillies. In the batch I liked the best I also had some mild, fat, green chillies as well.

I started with a Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall recipe as a base, but liked some of the other ingredients I read about, so bunged those in as well. Over the course of 4 batches I then “refined” it until it was where I wanted it.

Ok, so to recipe (at last I hear you cry):

250g tomatoes

1 bell pepper/capsicum (red or green, whichever you prefer)

1 large “sweet” chilli (sometimes called sweet peppers?) You know, long, bulbous things, halfway between a chilli and a capsicum

200g hot chillies

50g medium chillies

Couple of fat, mild chillies

1 tsp caraway seeds

2 tsp cumin seeds

1 tsp coriander seeds

1 tsp fennel seeds

1/4 tsp ground cinnamon (you never get “air cinnamon” do you?)

4 fat garlic cloves, peeled and roughly chopped

100g shallots, peeled and roughly chopped

1/2 tsp sea salt

olive oil

1. Skin the tomatoes using boiling water. Halve and bung in a food processor. Get the bell pepper and sweet chilli/pepper and apply heat to char the skins – I usually just chuck them on a hotplate, but some people prefer a grill. Loosely flake off the burnt skins (but leave a little coz it adds flavour), then roughly chop and into the food processor they go.

2. Remove the stalks from the chillies. Roughly chop and into food processor.

3. Put the seed spices in a dry frying pan and toast for a couple of minutes, shaking the pan to make sure they don’t burn. Then grind up using a mortar & pestle (if like me you like a little texture) or if you’d rather it was smooth then grind them in a coffee grinder. Or keep going with the mortar & pestle for a while longer

4. Add everything else except the olive oil into the food processor and blitz until well blended. Tip into a small saucepan and heat until boiling then simmer for about 10-15 minutes until reduced and starting to thicken – a bit like a thin jam consistency. Leave to cool. Pack into warm, sterilised jars (remember to use vinegar-proof lids and sterilise them too), leaving a 1cm gap at the top. Gently pour olive oil over the paste to completely cover it and seal it from air. Seal the jars. Store in the fridge. Hugh says use within 4 months but I think that’s conservative (heh). I reckon with good storage you could store for up to a year, but so far no jar has lasted longer than a few weeks

Once opened it seems to be fine for about 6 weeks in the fridge – I think germs have a hard time living in anything that is so full of chilli oils

Enjoy.



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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/27/2010 11:13:05 AM   
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Thumbs up for the pork recipe RapierFugue..... very fattening......very unhealthy.....absolutely delicious

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/27/2010 11:16:28 AM   
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Thumbs up for the pork recipe RapierFugue..... very fattening......very unhealthy.....absolutely delicious

Glad you liked it!

And yes, it's a shame that so many of the utterly delicious things in life are "bad" for us.

I used to fret and worry, and now, frankly, I don't give a fuck anymore

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/27/2010 12:07:00 PM   
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Thanks for the recipe RapierFugue, it sounds delicious, I am pretty sure I was able to identify all peppers and chillies, your descriptions nailed it.
I am going to make a batch next week, to be used in African stew and couscous next sunday.

And the pork belly has made it onto next weeks menue plan too.


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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/27/2010 12:56:05 PM   
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Thanks for the recipe RapierFugue, it sounds delicious, I am pretty sure I was able to identify all peppers and chillies, your descriptions nailed it.
I am going to make a batch next week, to be used in African stew and couscous next sunday.

And the pork belly has made it onto next weeks menue plan too.


You're so welcome. I love sharing recipes and cooking stuff.

Just be aware it's a bit ... spicy. Although since that's the whole point of Harissa paste I dare say you gathered that

The Marco glazed pork belly is a stone-cold killer, and I recommend it without hesitation, to everyone - it's also so little hassle to do. Just be aware it may require more time (or even less, thinking about it) time and/or temperature; it seems to be very oven-dependent. "Cook til yummy" would seem to be a good phrase Oh, and if you cook it for longer make sure you top up the water under the pan ... I didn't the first time, it evaporated, and the smoke alarm doubled as a cooking timer I also tend to make a separate gravy with some of those juices added, as I don't like to consume too much pork fat.

Still, you can see the video now so at least you know what you're aiming at

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/27/2010 4:15:46 PM   
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And ask your butcher for the broader side of the belly.
I cooked mine in a temperamental aga and it did get fairly smokey but I don't have fire alarms and so that wasn't a problem!

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/28/2010 2:19:35 PM   
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Thanks for the tips, I will report back after the next weekend.

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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/29/2010 12:13:34 PM   
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Cook a free range egg and a not free range egg together in a pan.
There's no differance!


There is a huge difference. When I still had chickens (pre chicken chasing dog) I was always amazed at the bright, almost orangish, yellow colour of the yolk.


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RE: The myth of 'Free Range' - 11/29/2010 12:18:18 PM   
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From the upc-online front page
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and to promote the benefits of a vegan diet and lifestyle



That was the line that caught my attention, too. I'm not saying that the story does not have some merit but the folks who compiled and host it don't strike me as likely to be very objective about it.



Agreed and no vegetarian here. I was more interested in sharing the 'myth' of free range and the additional price people pay for that versus......a nearly identical chicken down the isle, for less.


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