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Icarys -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 1:51:52 PM)
It was just a joke William. I know you didn't mean short in that way..You were talking about height I believe and not length.

Icarys -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 1:53:59 PM)
quote: Not the d-type for you isn't the same as not a d-type. Hopefully that makes sense. That makes perfect sense. ~ChunkyMonkey

mnottertail -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 1:54:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys It was just a joke William. I know you didn't mean short in that way..You were talking about height I believe and not length. Its height when she is sitting on it, and length when she is sucking on it, and in both cases the girth will probably count more in her private calculations.

Icarys -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 1:56:36 PM)
I agree. ~ThickDick McPrick

AquaticSub -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 2:09:00 PM)
~Fast Reply~ I've been thinking... About what I regard as being in control. And about how much weight completely doesn't even begin to register on the scale of being 'in control'. It's almost something that I can't fathom a person basing their judgment of how in control a person is - obvious eating disorders aside. And I think the reason is that I grew up with a very in-control Father. His job was literally to save people's lives. He went in to work, took cancer out of people, reattached limbs, and brought people back from the brink. He's always been over 200+ pounds in all my memory and for most of my life 350+ but he lifted anything that needed to be lifted, built my swing sets - despite my 'help' - and taught me how to swim. Anytime anyone - be it our family, our friends or even a stranger - was sick or just needed a lift, he was there and he had the situation under control. As long as he was there, everything ran smoothly. Anytime there was a problem, he had an answer, a solution and it was already being taken care of it. Maybe that's why I don't get it. Because nothing strikes me as being more in control than managing a home life, cancer patients, nurses, hospital and HMO bullshit and doing it all with a grin on his face and a "This is just what I do baby girl" attitude. That attitude... that's what I revere. That's what inspires me.

kiwisub12 -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 2:17:04 PM)
If weight equalled dominance, then Gandi was a uber-dominant! By that standard, the skinnier the dominant, the more in control they are, so ultimately, buliemic people would be the winners. Dominance is like any other character trait - different things matter to different doms., and thank god for that. And if you are more domly when thin, then we are more subly when fat....... or so it should seem. [:D]

subkatslut -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 2:21:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Not the d-type for you isn't the same as not a d-type. Hopefully that makes sense. [:)] Now couldn't you have said this back on the first page and saved a lot of time for what so many of us are saying. ;-) That's a sweet story AquaticSub and it sounds like you had/have? an amazing daddy. The real one of course. Those are the types of men to look up to and respect and who can make you feel totally cared for and loved.

leadership527 -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 2:28:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub There is a difference between selecting someone based on what you are attracted to and making baseless assumptions from a picture and a profile that may or may not even have a weight listed. I'm lost. Which baseless assumption? Spacespank was referring to the fact that women are treated very differently when they are 60-80lbs overweight. I agree that this is true... that we all know it is true... and that largely it's been true for a long, long time. The same is true of men and money. You can absolutely bet that I get treated very differently when I go into someplace dressed to the nines versus dressed in ragged blue jeans and a beater tank top. Both men and women are, in general, more attractive when they are doing whatever it is that makes them appear like "good mate material" whether or not the context of the discussion is mating. This directly translates to more likely to be hired, more likely to get sex, more likely to get a favorable outcome for anything which involves another human. If this is something you don't think ought to be true, you'll need to talk to whoever did the "intelligent" design on humans.

AquaticSub -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 2:32:29 PM)
Still have. I'm currently having some health issues and he is with me to help us figure out what to do. Go to doctor's visits with me so that Valyraen doesn't have to risk his job by taking off more work - hence him being on my mind. [:)]

AquaticSub -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 2:34:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub There is a difference between selecting someone based on what you are attracted to and making baseless assumptions from a picture and a profile that may or may not even have a weight listed. I'm lost. Which baseless assumption? Spacespank was referring to the fact that women are treated very differently when they are 60-80lbs overweight. I agree that this is true... that we all know it is true... and that largely it's been true for a long, long time. The same is true of men and money. You can absolutely bet that I get treated very differently when I go into someplace dressed to the nines versus dressed in ragged blue jeans and a beater tank top. Both men and women are, in general, more attractive when they are doing whatever it is that makes them appear like "good mate material" whether or not the context of the discussion is mating. This directly translates to more likely to be hired, more likely to get sex, more likely to get a favorable outcome for anything which involves another human. If this is something you don't think ought to be true, you'll need to talk to whoever did the "intelligent" design on humans. I was referring to the OP itself: quote: I've read several Dom profiles and when I see one where they are grossly overweight (or don't give their weight), I question their control over themselves and I question putting myself in their control. Be it a valid theory or just shallow, I don't know. And of course I agree with you that people are treated differently based on their present themselves in public. I'm speaking of the OP's post. Though remember that while larger people have always been treated differently than skinny people, it's already been addressed that skinny used to be highly undesirable. [;)] Time changes all tides. Maybe I'll live to see fat "in" again. Maybe I won't. But it'll change again. [:)]

SpaceSpank -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 2:37:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub There is a difference between selecting someone based on what you are attracted to and making baseless assumptions from a picture and a profile that may or may not even have a weight listed. I'm lost. Which baseless assumption? Spacespank was referring to the fact that women are treated very differently when they are 60-80lbs overweight. I agree that this is true... that we all know it is true... and that largely it's been true for a long, long time. The same is true of men and money. You can absolutely bet that I get treated very differently when I go into someplace dressed to the nines versus dressed in ragged blue jeans and a beater tank top. Yes, I said it was true, but I also said we should try and hold ourselves to a higher standard and try not to judge outright from the beginning. Obviously there are times this sort of thing is not a bad idea. Giving a group of men in a dark alley the benefit of the doubt when walking alone at night is not prudent. Giving a person on with a profile on here that looks like they could stand to lose a few pounds but otherwise looks/sounds appealing? I'd say you could stand to give them a bit more of a serious look.

LaTigresse -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 3:01:32 PM)
Using fast reply based on a thought that Aqua stirred in my brain. I think that a huge part of all of this is, less so the individual issue and moreso the individual having discipline where they feel it is important.........then finding a partner/s that share similar values. Lord knows I am no skinny model, but I am healthy and constantly striving to maintain or improve my health. A submissive/slave that felt being thin was of great importance, would not be for me. Similarly, I've always put people before monetary gain. An s-type that felt a very wealthy person was the dominant/Master/Mistress for them, would obviously not be a good fit either. There are issues I would not tolerate in a slave that another will.

Icarys -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 3:30:39 PM)
quote: buliemic people would be the winners. Kneel before me bitch! (I need something to lean against)

Missokyst -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 3:44:41 PM)
I would love to see that day come around again. Recently I had a health issue that forced me to visit a doctor (first time in a decade). As a result of not having health care in 10 yrs, I have had to face the irritation of having a complete physical. I am overweight! gasp as if I did not know this already. But, even though I am older than many of my friends, I am not diabetic, I do not have high cholesterol, my heart is bordering on fabulous, I have never had the issues which come with being female, I am not plagued by general aches and pains beyond that stupid ripped muscle on my shoulderblade, and my blood pressure is now successfully managed. Fat though I am, I am also fabulous... well, in health at any rate. It pisses me off when people assume that if you are fat you MUST be out of shape. Until I was 40 (and ripped that back muscle) I could still do backflips. Trends come and go, people will strive for that size 0 body, or swoon over a size 16. All it takes is a change in the tide of circumstance. quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub it's already been addressed that skinny used to be highly undesirable. [;)] Time changes all tides. Maybe I'll live to see fat "in" again. Maybe I won't. But it'll change again. [:)]

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 4:27:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 I'm lost. Which baseless assumption? Spacespank was referring to the fact that women are treated very differently when they are 60-80lbs overweight. I agree that this is true... that we all know it is true... and that largely it's been true for a long, long time. The same is true of men and money. You can absolutely bet that I get treated very differently when I go into someplace dressed to the nines versus dressed in ragged blue jeans and a beater tank top. Both men and women are, in general, more attractive when they are doing whatever it is that makes them appear like "good mate material" whether or not the context of the discussion is mating. This directly translates to more likely to be hired, more likely to get sex, more likely to get a favorable outcome for anything which involves another human. If this is something you don't think ought to be true, you'll need to talk to whoever did the "intelligent" design on humans. I believe you are wrong. I am an overweight/obese to some female, I have never gone on a job interview that i didnt get offered the position for. Ive NEVER treated someone poorly because they dressed one way or another. I guess Im not human I try my best not to judge or make assumptions and i sure as hell dont count someone out because of their weight..... or their bank account...

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 5:10:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Masterly ability = Having enough power to stop after the 5th twinkie.[:D] Annie..Ya look a little portly yourself...How can you expect to give control over if you don't have it yourself..some shit like that. Joking aside: Show me a person that says they don't have at least one issue in their lives that they have difficulty in and I'll show you a liar. Long live fat bitches. I'm off to make a blackberry pie from scratch..any of you fat bitches want some?[:D] My self being a fat bitch, I gotta say that fucking cracked me up!

porcelaine -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 5:48:32 PM)
Greetings, Everyone has issues. We're merely choosing the flaws that we can deal with. For some people weight isn't a problem and for others it's a real deal breaker. The same holds true for money, education, etc. While breeding might compel us to avoid saying these things aloud it doesn't negate the reality that the ideas may be echoed elsewhere. People judge. It's a fact a life. It only becomes a problem when you find yourself under the microscope. Of course that individual feels justified when he's levying the same judgment upon someone else. Life is neat like that. [:D] Namaste, ~porcelaine

WolfyMontgomery -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 8:19:23 PM)
Using Fast Reply =) Funny story on being overweight.... I know I'm not fat - my pictures are recent, I'm a mite bit chubby but I know I sure as hell ain't fat - but when I worked at Starbucks (yes, kill me now) I had plenty of folks commenting sometimes to my FACE why I wasn't as skinny and good looking as the other girls. Some people wanted the other girls to make the drink, because they thought I would be 'dirty' or something. They judged me because I happened to have an extra 25-30 pounds than the skinny twigs that were your regular Starbucks Barista girls. I didn't fit the 'proper image' of being a Barista, so I wasn't seen as a capable one - even though I also had plenty of customers (who weren't biased on how they viewed Baristas) who said that my lattes and mochas were much better tasting than several of the other more 'Barista' looking Baristas, because I actually used the shots fast without letting them sit and get cool and sour tasting like the other girls did. Not to mention I was a flying fuckload nicer. Humans will always be judgmental, it's something that I noticed from a very young age and continue to notice to this day. People say they aren't, but we all do - even I'm judgmental, so much as I try not to be. We humans like our stereotypes, Starbucks Baristas are supposed to be skinny bitches, Nerds are supposed to be skinny dudes with large rimmed glasses, Artists are always supposed to look 'eccentric', eat organic food, and not fit into society. Dominant men are supposed to be powerful and masculine and fit, Dominant women sultry and seductive and whatnot (that I don't really know, but from the random Dominatrix jokes in any cartoons and they're always leather clad evil women, I figure that's what a lot of society expects to see - whether we do or not), submissive girls are supposed to be shy and soft spoken, submissive boys are supposed to be sissies. Yeah, harsh, and no I don't really agree with them, but it's what I always see whenever I see that sort of thing pop up in conversation or in chat rooms, comics, public commentaries, etc... And Fat people - according to those commentaries and stereotypes - are lazy and eat too much. All that being said though, I have to both agree and disagree with them. Obviously for a stereotype to be created a good majority of people who follow a specific trend need to be similar to that stereotype, otherwise no one would say it (after all, you usually don't see an artist type being looked to to program a computer, do you? It's a stereotype that artists are bad with computers - one that is joked about often, and I know fits me lol). Which means that for the stereotype of fat people being slothful, eating too much, and having a lack of control over themselves - there has to be some basis for that stereotype to exist. It does NOT mean that ALL overweight people are such, hell no. But it does mean that there are a good portion of overweight people that meet that criteria to keep the stereotype alive. I will also say that that stereotype HAS been faltering this past decade or so - since what.... 60% of the American population is considered at least overweight? Or was it more? I was just reaching blindly, but also pulling from the fact that usually at least 3 out of every 5 people I see are big, and at least one out of those three are big as whales (not scientific, merely observant). I know - and society knows - that a lot of it is starting to stem from the fact that our society has been built around leisure and sitting around eating very rich food, we have stuff to do our chores easier or not at all (like those little robot vacuum cleaners), the most advertised food is processed, high calorie high fat high simple carb foods - the cheapest food is that too. We HAVE become a nation of lazy people. So nowadays you can't just blame the person (with or without medical conditions) for being overweight - they may just be stuck with a sit-down job and only enough time to eat at drive thrus. But at the same time, when I see someone who is overweight, I do question whether it is life's circumstances (medical or otherwise) that threw the condition on them, or if there are underlying issues that would make him not a good match/lack of self control/sloppy/overeating/whatever that could disqualify them for any sort of serious relationship. Though I wouldn't immediately believe such, but it would tell me to keep my eyes open and look for other signs of such behavior - such as a messy room in his photos, food stained clothes, how often they take care of daily needs (do they shower? how many times did they wear that shirt?), etc... They may still have a Dominant personality, sure, but they may not have a... "Together" or Responsible personality - which is another thing that I would want in a Dom so that I could know that not only could he control me, but control me well. All that said, Master's a little overweight just like me (HE says not me - I think he's HAWT), but he has no other qualities that cause one to think of laziness or not being responsible. And that's why he can manage me so well, because he's responsible and manages all aspects of his life - including me. We just happen to not have time for regular meals, and so we get fast food like three days out of the week. Edited to say sorry for the length, didn't realize how much I said - but I don't want to unsay any of it.

DesFIP -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 8:47:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Thank you, Des. I've seen this attitude quite a bit, and I have come to believe it's held by women who have no understanding of how common being submissive really is. The attitude is basically, "I have all these things wrong with me, but I am a sub/slave, so if you are a strong enough dominant you can fix me and we'll be happy forever after." As if being willing to sub is some sort of golden treasure (or gift) that outshines everything else. Well, frankly, every woman I have ever been serious about, vanilla or otherwise, submitted to me in certain ways. It's not that hard to find women who have their shit together who enjoy a man who is strong. In fact, my single female friends most often complain to me that men tend to be too afraid to take charge when dating, or are assholes. A non-asshole dominant man is a rare find, even in vanilla. Going the other way, men eventually meet that skinny gym chick who is batshit crazy, and the fat girl who is supernice and great in bed. I don't think it takes long for most guys to figure out that they'd rather have a food-loving nympho than a neurotic biatch. Thing is, the OP of this thread has no experience other than reading forum posts. It is physically impossible for you to change her mind, about anything, because it is literally all in her head. I've seen this in vanilla women also, a teacher in her 50's insisting that she wouldn't date anyone who wasn't a partner in a top law firm earning 7 figures. And literally not understanding why she hadn't had a date in three years. Personally, when I see people doing things like this I assume that they're actually sabotaging themselves. They are deliberately unrealistic and making unreasonable demands so that they don't get into a relationship.

Twoshoes -> RE: Weight and Master/Dom control (11/30/2010 10:04:02 PM)
In terms of 'Master/Dom weight', being skinny can potentially be the biggest problem a man can face. I just figured I'd mention that, while we're accusing people of being presumptuous.

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