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crazyml -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/3/2010 6:22:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Ok, last hijack post, I promise, but:

Subversive GLASSES?!?

Wtf are you saying is wrong with my glasses?


Actually - "Subversive" was the first thing I thought of when I saw those spectacles.




Zevar -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/3/2010 1:42:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: Zevar

Do some research next time before you present such foolish notions based on gender.




Zevar, did you actually read the op before rushing to such a judgement? The guy was asking a question. He was doing his research. Given the high standards you set when it comes to politeness, I think you owe the OP an apology.


Be Well, crazyml




mnottertail -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/3/2010 1:47:10 PM)

I have been giving this a great deal of thought over these lo.......many pages.

And I think that the greatest difference between male and female Doms is the penis and the vagina (I was going to say toilet seat placement and shaven legs.........but that would seem to be an area that could be considered by some to be too androgynous to be a tautology).

Yup, that's gonna be my final answer.




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/3/2010 7:04:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyRian
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ORIGINAL: Atropos19
Quoting this from another thread:

"I find it interesting that male domination brings with it - more often than not - the expectation of growth, protection and nurture while femdom is almost exclusively about exploitation, denigration and humiliation."

Is this true?  What does everyone think of this?

I know it's not true.

I know you know it's not true, for obvious reasons.

OP,
There's too much perception of what is true and real, words I really hate. Am I submissive because I'm a woman? No, it's who I am at the very core of my being. Are some Doms dingledongs who take advantage of women? Yes. Are some Dommes dinglegongettes who take advantage of men? Yes.

Are there male/female subs who take advantage of Dom/mes? Yes, i know this to be true from a very close friend of mine, not from this site, who went thru that crap for well over 2 1/2 yrs.

Then there are the people who mean what they say and say what they mean. The ones who know who they are, aren't hiding or embarassed by it. Men and women who are the leaders or the followers (for lack of a better word) in their relationships. The very people who manage to sustain real life long-term relationships comfortable in who they are. No labels attached, no titles to be used. Just two people living in harmony and peace within their assigned parameters, the ones they decided worked for them.

'Nuff said.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/3/2010 8:59:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Atropos19

Quoting this from another thread:

"I find it interesting that male domination brings with it - more often than not - the expectation of growth, protection and nurture while femdom is almost exclusively about exploitation, denigration and humiliation."

Is this true?  What does everyone think of this?




Atropos19-
Taken directly from my profile:
I highly value a good submissive; to me, being submissive is not a weakness and we are a team. When a sub is worthy and deserving I am an affectionate, loving Mistress whose interest is in building you up, helping you expand and grow in your personal strength while assisting you in overcoming your fears and limits to set new goals. I want to be part of your journey as you look under your personal rock, greet the demons you find there and reconcile them with the rest of your fundamental self so that you feel happy, excited, whole and fulfilled.

Denigration? Humiliation? Exploitation? NYET! As for sissification: doesn't do a single thing for me; I like males who serve as males.

Who am I in this 'domme' cross-section? You won't find me at munches or events; I'm really busy with my dance and music community for social outlets and prefer to keep my BDSM elements between my partner and me. I'm just your average middle-aged real live garden-variety actually-practicing-with-real-male-submissives domme with 35+ years of hands-on practice in the lifestyle (and I don't mean hands-on-computer-keyboard, I mean hands-on-my-male-partners.)




txurinal -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/4/2010 9:33:27 AM)

i have served female dommes, straight male dommes, and gay male dommes. i can only speak from my experiences so please everyone, i am not making generalizations or trying to stereotype, these are my expereinces.

First of all , i am gay so am more comfortable submitting to males. My experience with female dommes is (and again only my experience) is they tend to be more verbal and use verbal humiliation as part of the scene more than males. Females tend to make fun of you more than the males and the male dominants i have servd seem to take things more seriously.

i have found males restrain you tighter, discipline you harder, and focus more on physical domination than verbal domination. One of the best straight males would rarely speak more than 10 words during a session but was one of the best disciplinarians i ever experienced.

Now my first female MISTRESS was great so i guess it depends on the personality of the dominant




Buzzzz -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/7/2010 4:53:52 PM)

A friend of mine told me that she noticed that when she played with dommes, they were more "in your face" kinda persons. I , as a male dom, always have the tendency to take it ultra safe, as I don't want to be the "evil dom" that did this and that to a poor subbie and so and so...




cloudboy -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/9/2010 7:21:40 AM)

By simply reading the femdom profiles on CM "looking" for malesubs you'd think there's a lot of truth in that enunciated statement. But if you read lesbian femdom profiles, they read almost the same as the maledom ones. So, I think the difference in the two is largely driven by malesubs.

(1) Professional dommes who want to sound racy are catering to the clientele.

(2) Guys looking for quick sexual excitement respond hotly to extreme profiles.

(3) The huge disparity in numbers between femdoms (too few) and malesubs (too many) means that the femdoms can be especially discriminating about what they want.

Within all the above contexts "exploitation," "humiliation," and "denigration" are really no more than games played between Fs and Ms who are not and don't intend to be engaged in LTRs.

Sidenote: Social norms still expect men to provide for women -- and its interesting to see how D/S incorporates this bias.

Parting shot: What I would stress to someone on the outside of D/S looking in is: BDSM is there to make life fun and more interesting -- its not a code for relationships, its not a set of absolutes, and its often a sexual side show. The rest is regular life and two people doing the largely "normal" thing. If you see anyone posturing on extreme lifestyle choices and expectations, put your antennae up.

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WOW! I just got a profile view from LIMITSDESTROYER, a sexy 22 year old from NY. I wonder what that means.........[8|]




hausboy -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/9/2010 6:37:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I have been giving this a great deal of thought over these lo.......many pages.

And I think that the greatest difference between male and female Doms is the penis and the vagina (I was going to say toilet seat placement and shaven legs.........but that would seem to be an area that could be considered by some to be too androgynous to be a tautology).

Yup, that's gonna be my final answer.


I tried so hard not to reply to this thread. 

But I just have to add my personal hijack to the mix--I hate to break it to all the fine folks here that believe that the difference between men and women hangs between their legs, but the real truth: it's between the ears and in the pituitary
I've played with male Doms and female Dommes--they each had their own stylistic differences that had more to do with them as individuals, and less with gender biases.




MarcEsadrian -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/10/2010 2:51:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
If you see anyone posturing on extreme lifestyle choices and expectations, put your antennae up.


Like you're doing now?

Of course there is a lot of mythology and predation on the internet surrounding BDSM, D/s and M/s (the respective terms not to be conflated, mind you). That fact alone does not trump the reality some are, by all measures of social norms, living very "extreme" and unorthodox lives that happen to be very real.

Cynical and sweeping generalizations from "four-paddlers" are other forms of posturing newcomers should be wary of as well.




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/11/2010 12:07:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Atropos19
exclusively about exploitation, denigration and humiliation."

Is this true?  What does everyone think of this?
"Exclusively" about any group, you know is an erroneous statement to make in just about any human situation.

As to exploitation, denigration, and humiliation, while they may not be your cup of tea, there is an overabundance of men who are into that...   In fact, I wish I were more into that.     M




xssve -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/11/2010 7:25:47 AM)

"Bad Apple"syndrome probably applies - i.e., anything good tends to be done quietly, while "bad" things tend to generate a lot more noise.

It could also be, that given that any normative definition of a dominant woman is a relatively recent development, and still not entirely accepted, may motivate some female dominants to overcompensate, i.e., they feel they have to be more aggressive than their male counterparts to get respect - simple repression could account for it too - i.e., along with the institutional notion of male supremacy inherent in the paradigms of most major organized religions, including Christianity, there are also some responsibilities implied, i.e., it's not just license to do whatever you want there are some implicit limits, that men, after a certain age, after they've sown their "wild oats" are expected to conform to if they desire social respect, and this matrix of social expectations, formal and informal, is what comprises a "value system", and is instilled essentially from birth, including gender roles, i.e., Boys get Blue, Girls get Pink, etc.

The point here is, that feminine traditions provide a lot of instructions on how to be properly submissive, but tend to provide very little guidance in terms of how to be dominant with anyone but children, so the tendency will be to mimic whatever behaviors they observe in masculine domination, which might be the high points, and not the subtleties - again, primacy effect.

This is a phenomena associated with repression and strict external controls - when the external controls are suddenly removed, there are no internal controls to compensate; it takes time for internal controls to develop, and it's mostly through trial and error, on a largely individual, person by person basis.

Presumably, as women dominants become more accepted, some of those excesses will get mediated, as "mainstream" female dominants will no more wish to associated with female abusers than mainstream men wish to be associated with wife beaters, and some combination of internal and external social controls will develop.




kalikshama -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/13/2010 4:55:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

How many of these interactions are you seeing at your local BDSM group?
Is this perception coming across at the munches or discussion groups that you attend? I can't say that I've seen much of this in My personal experience.


Why? Because femdom only shows its true face at local events? Don't be stupid.

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ORIGINAL: Isabella

No, because there is much higher percentage of scam artists and professional Dommes on the internet than there would be at a munch.


I saw this on another thread and thought it hilariously illustrates LadyPact and Isabella's point that internet posturing does not hold up to the light of Real Life:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7083569/




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/13/2010 5:14:55 AM)

OMFG I don't know what thread you found that on, but it's farkin hilarious. Thank you so much, you just made my day. [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]




81song -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/13/2010 8:05:00 AM)

I would have to agree with LadyPact in REAL when one does meet a Dom or a Domme they are 1st a human being with wants and desires just like everyone else. And most of the Domme I have met ar not like one would think. Some Dom's I know are not very loud and can be very quite laid back and the same goes for the Domme. So it goes back to the online thing to the real life thing.




cloudboy -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/14/2010 10:47:33 AM)

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That fact alone does not trump the reality some are, by all measures of social norms, living very "extreme" and unorthodox lives that happen to be very real.


I think "LTR" tends to nullify extremes, and then to lead into a relationship from an extreme is risky, especially for someone inexperienced.




MamaJiggles -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/14/2010 12:15:41 PM)

I do think that some may fall into that area, But I am Femdom and I love my sub, and we have a very caring relationship !!! It all depands on the people and what they want from each other.




MarcEsadrian -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/15/2010 2:06:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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That fact alone does not trump the reality some are, by all measures of social norms, living very "extreme" and unorthodox lives that happen to be very real.


I think "LTR" tends to nullify extremes.


What is a long term relationship? A year? Three? Five? Ten? I think everyone has their own definition where that's concerned.

Many and probably most relationships do indeed peter out over time, but that doesn't make what was shared within them less real because they ended within a few years or six months, and to assume relationship dynamics that involve degradation or exploitation are doomed to transience, while correct no doubt for a large piece of the pie, is not correct for all. Those of us who profess to take this "thing" seriously know good Mistresses and ideal slaves are rare, and by virtue of that rarity, so are their unions.

Some people can choose to only focus on the pouting, finger flipping Bratz Doll dominas and the codswallop of their clientele as presented online, or they can dig a little deeper past their cynicism and intellectual laziness to engage real people who really do want to keep slaves or be kept as slaves. The assertion it's all just BDSM to make life "fun and interesting" is pathologically myopic, considering what can and could be with compatible individuals.




cloudboy -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/15/2010 2:14:01 PM)

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What is a long term relationship? A year? Three? Five? Ten? I think everyone has their own definition where that's concerned.


Let's age qualify this one:

18-25 years old: 2 years or more.

25-35 years old: 4 years or more

35-45 years old: 6 years or more

Entering an "extreme" BDSM relationship for one (1) year --- isn't really extreme. Its trying something out for one year. There's also the psychological backdrop of being uncommitted to the other person or knowing things are going to run out.

In a backhanded kind of way, you are suggesting that my initial premise is correct: LTRs tend to weed out extremes.




hausboy -> RE: Difference btw Male/Female Doms... (12/15/2010 2:22:44 PM)

Oh man, Kalikshama....

that was ABSOLUTELY HYSTERICAL! thank you thank you thank you for posting that link.

I feel like I should now owe you $5.




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