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CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/8/2010 6:03:51 PM)

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BDSM arouses me mentally and physically. Vanilla sex does not. It's that simple.


kk, Well simple and candid......three cheers and thanbks for participating in the boards.

CP




leadership527 -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/8/2010 8:06:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
At times being screwed is ok if the correct result is reached. now me lad, I do know that you have the capacity to have we readers understand the deeper meanings that run through the veins of you and carol! Enlighten us friend.
ROFL.. I didn't mean to imply that there were any SPECIAL meanings between Carol and I. To my knowledge, the only thing I think of as "special" between us is that we are deliriously happy. I have very little confidence that I understand what D/s means to most of the posters here too. I wouldn't even know how to begin the conversation in this venue and format (I make a stab at it below which I believe fails miserably). It's the kind of thing that can be discussed over the coffee table with a great deal of difficulty and becomes utterly impossible in more restricted and combative environments.

At the view from space level, consider the answer that various answers that said, "It gets me hot". I'm not about to argue that that's not dominance and submission -- clearly it is. But it's also incomprehensible to me because the thing I'm thinking of is not sexually linked. So then my answer of "I've always been this way" gets to be muddy... "what way" exactly? Oh, that "dominant" way? What way is that?

I think a lot of the problem I have expressing it in precise words in a short post in an adversarial forum such as a discussion board is that the thing I'm looking at when I personally say "dominance" is primal. The problem with primal things is that they exist below the level of intellectual thought and so aren't really subject to all the words that go along with intellect. My favorite example of this is trying to describe an orgasm. At least me, I just cannot because if I'm having an orgasm, then my brain isn't working at the level of words. It's busy saying "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!" So when I'm being "dominant", my lizard brain isn't dealing in contracts, commitments, obligations, promises, consent, or any of that. That is all WAY too civilized by a few hundred million years. In addition, the thing I'm referring to is not limited to my interactions between myself and Carol. I experience this everywhere in my life. So whatever it is, it's not sexually linked. I don't want to have sex with every man and woman I meet.

So then I end up struggling to say exactly what does happen between us (much like trying to describe an orgasm). Carol obeys because I want her to obey because I am more dominant than her. She never consented to being mine. I took her the moment her life and mine came together (yes, from our very first meeting... not even a date). I had no more choice in that than she did. It happened because I was incapable of doing anything different and she was incapable of responding any other way. On one hand, it is an absolute level of control that is unfettered by the need for justification or agreement. On the other hand, it is an incredibly nuanced dialog between us that has very little to do with "command" and "obedience". Even the word "authority" isn't really right. What is right is "dominance". Now, having said all that, wasn't that a mouth full of self-referential gobble-de-gook? I think it was. Yet for all that, after a good year of chewing on exactly that question... "what is dominance [to me]?" that is the best I've got.

Do I personally think that this viewpoint is any more true, real, good or any other adjective than some other meaning for the word "dominance". No, not particularly. Well actually, I could argue that it was "less true" on a BDSM site than a lot of other views seeing as it isn't drawn from BDSM. Do I think that other people have more spins on this than I can imagine? Yes. Hence, my original statement... it's hard as hell to discuss these things. More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that we are all talking words to each other and very little meaning gets conveyed .... at least on a topic like this.

To make an analogy, this question is a lot like asking, "Why did you become a slave?" You'd get a ton of answers. But the problem is each and every respondent would be meaning something different by the word "slave" and so it's really hard to put those answers into any sort of context. I'd venture to guess that the reasons most people became a [sex] slave are vastly different than the reasons most people became a [service] slave. Probably, each set of reasons looks stupid to the other... or at least so alien as to be unrecognizable. Even worse, it probably wouldn't be hard to get 50 different views of what a [sex] slave is and what a [service] slave is *laughs*.




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/9/2010 6:05:55 AM)

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personally if i was a male Dom id be more likely to look at emily first purely because of that assumption, but thats just me and im not a male Dom -


lally2

The above is an excellent premise and one that I follow. It is the value of the person and mind that comes first and the kink 2nd.
Thanks for your thoughts




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/9/2010 6:09:31 AM)

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I thought of a couple more:

* I like to be thought of or viewed as a possession.

* I love with all my heart being useful, being "in use," used. Even if many of my own desires are not fulfilled, knowing that I'm making someone I care for and admire happy and content by being of service to them provides immense gratification, usually enough not to mind the missing elements.

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CR,

Damn, those are "hot" thoughts!

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/9/2010 10:52:32 AM)

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Greetings CP,

Thank you for the compliment. My road has taken a sharp turn and my path has a spiritual undercurrent that wasn't present in the past, but one I find both gratifying and necessary for the union I seek. In my opinion that is the ultimate connection.

Namaste,

~porcelaine [/quote

porcelaine,

Now that is a unique consideration given that there are so few that have thrit D/s elelments take on a spiritual twist. I am curious as to what cause that......if of course you care to share it.

CP]




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/9/2010 10:55:29 AM)

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Hmm... well I'm not sure I ever "turned to D/s".

I came to my current level of turnage via kinky sex. I had a girlfriend who (it turned out) was sub, she started dropping hints and one evening I spanked her.

And her reaction was amazing.. she was wet, horny, shaking. And the post spanky sex was rocking. We did lots of "kinky" stuff - all of it basically play (We were like two baby lions learning how to hunt). Then something changed - the fulfilment went from my cock to my brain.

Once it got there, there was no way I could give it up.

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crazyml,

but , but, your explaination would seem to indicate that you for sure turned to D/s........albeit with a little help!

CP




ThundersCry -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/9/2010 6:29:17 PM)

Like popeye always said....

I `yam what I `yam...

I will let THE DEEP thinkers figure out your questions...




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/9/2010 8:43:56 PM)

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We think everyone came here by doing the same thing... following their fetishes. How that plays out is as different as the fetishes, the people and all the combinations therein.

Master Fire


MF,

It is agreed that perhaps the need to express different fets may be the draw but it it the primarely draw. I believe there are folks here that truely do not have a fetish at all; yet they are here just the same.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/9/2010 8:48:21 PM)

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For years and years, something was missing in my relationships with men, including in a 24 year marriage. I had no words for what it was. None. It was a "feeling". I responded to a profile on a vanilla site to a "Sir C.."; I had no idea. I thought he was simply a gentleman. : ) Then he sent me some erotic, D/s BDSM literature. First I was outraged. (This all seems pretty amusing now). Then I calmed down and realized it was erotic literature, and not pornography. Then I realized something went "ping". I started exploring. I found Takeninhand.com, which is often maligned here, but it sure helped me to understand the dynamics of dominance and submission, and that was truly helpful. I realized that what was missing in my life was that dynamic; a man in control, who could shoulder the responsibilities in a relationship, direct, lead. I am a strong leader myself and needed someone stronger. A local dominant made himself available to me to answer my questions and dispell some of my fears. I am very grateful to both Sirs. The rest echoes Lally's post.


Firebird,

welcome back with those perfect lips.......you were fortunate to not geting into the net of a horndog as you learned.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/10/2010 5:11:43 AM)

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Ahem... FR stands for "Fast Reply" - which means that you shouldn't presume that the post is a reply to the person who posted last. Surprised that a four batter doesn't know that.

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crazymi,

Well thats what you get with older traditional Dominants...............and I do not text either!

but now I know that QR could mean quick reply

or SO could mean sender only

damn it could go on forever.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/10/2010 5:18:41 AM)

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what brought me to D/s? good fortune. the good fortune to come across someone, very casually, who after hearing me complain about my life for the umpteenth time said these words: "there's something i've been wanting to tell you for a while now. don't take this the wrong way, but i think you're a submissive." that was the first time i had ever heard the term that way "a" submissive. but it instantly rung a bell. one little word explained so many things about my personality, my behavior, and many of the circumstances (unfortunately a great deal of them negative) which had occurred in my life.

from very early childhood, i'd always had a very difficult time saying no to others. it was almost physically painful for me to disappoint anyone. i was always doing the homework of other children, giving away money, etc. i was always extremely quiet and painfully shy. when i became older these qualities only intensified. i found it impossible to take any kind of leadership role, even when i technically had the skills to do so. it was always much more comfortable for me to be far in the background, doing the heavy "grunt work" without recognition. when it came to sex i just didn't say no, no matter what my own personal wishes may have been. so i developed a reputation of being "easy," a slut, etc. once i was singled out as a target, there were even more men approaching me, doing whatever they wished to me, because they knew i would not stop them. i was raped many times. and many more times i just went on autopilot, my mind and spirit leaving the building while whatever went on with my physical self. it led to a lifetime of severe depression and dismally low self-esteem, zero sense of worth.

so this is the sort of thing i would complain about to this casual acquaintance. and i am forever grateful to him just for using that one powerful word: submissive. i was subservient, very compliant, driven to please. it fit. then i did some research online and came across some websites which focused on submissive women and Dominant men. sex/sexual expression was not a focus...if it had been i would have clicked off instantly. no, there were people discussing innate personalities and things like the natural order. it was totally fascinating, and totally awesome. all my life i had assumed the way i was signified some sort of horrible defect. and i was certain that not only would i never find love, but that i would never even find a man who would see me as anything more than a series of holes to fuck. i had only had one boyfriend, and it was a long distance relationship so we saw each other rarely. and even with that, he was with me more out of some sense of duty to "fix" me than anything else.

but now i saw that maybe, just maybe, there was a place for me in this world. i wasn't the only woman out there like this. not only that, there were actually men in the world who wanted women like me. who found something valuable and beautiful in us. it gave me hope, hope not just for a relationship but for LIFE. because frankly before then i didn't care a bit whether i lived or died.


daddysprop,

A verytelling and frank story of live that warms the heart for your success, thanks for sharing it with us.

CP




Buzzzz -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/10/2010 5:53:41 AM)

I was trolling a now friend and mentor on aff and discovered "the basement", which is a bdsm room in there.I listened and learned and it was like a big wow.. something I have been waiting for all my live but didn't know existed... Looking back at my nilla life I see all the signs from my behaviors of D/s I just didn't connected the dots... The basement and then later, reallife showed me that I needed it.. It is part of me... I am so much more grounded , now that I am in the lifestyle..

What attracred me the most is the "values"..Honesty, integrity and trust..




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/10/2010 11:21:33 AM)

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D/s is a part of Me. I didn't "turn to" it. It IS me.

Not all of me, but it is a central part- around which everything else fits.


dreamer,

I believe that I get it and understand your premise but it would be fruitfull to kind of explain the me then!

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/10/2010 8:39:35 PM)

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(And I don't know why people can't seem to get that. There's a "why are you on this path?" thread every second day around here!)


witty,

Well perhaps every month!!!!!!

CP




Charles6682 -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/10/2010 11:02:46 PM)

I was basically submissive to girl's even way back when I was in the 1st grade.I didn't know it had a name or what it was until much later.I sometime's still can not explain the full picture.I do know this is who I am and I am happy just being me.




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/11/2010 3:29:20 AM)

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I was actually thinking about it today, about my past vanilla relationships. It would start great and go for a while but they always catered to me. Where do you want to go? What do you want to do? What do you want to buy? Any disagreements they would always give in to what I wanted and just followed along.

And the more they did that, the more bored, frustrated, and uncontent I became. Maybe that's why my first "love of my life" became that. He didn't let me get away with that chit...lol. I'd get the "look". uh oh. We were together the longest, 10 years.... It's was very telling when I thought about it, oh me of little to no experience...lol.

But I think I might have hit on something.


anniezz,

See what and over exposure to vanilla will do for you; happy to see you crossed over.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/11/2010 8:53:31 AM)

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Sheer luck brought me to this lifestyle. A friend pointed me to Alt as a place to check out what we had talked about.

I always thought I was born in the wrong era. All I have ever wanted to do was please others.
Do for them and see that they had all they wanted.
I have always bowed to the choices the men in my life have made.
But I was also always looking for more from my life.
I knew what I was but didn't have a name for it.

This life fits me and what I need and want in my life.
It is like I have finally come home.


subinlife,

At times it takes along time to get to where we should have been; but the important thing is that you arrived.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/11/2010 8:00:46 PM)

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In my case it was curiosity


humpty,

Laughs, and now you can state why you have stayed.

CP




sblady -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/12/2010 8:26:14 AM)

The core attraction is the fact that I prefer dominant men. If the dominant men have a "bit" of kink, that's fine but it isn't a necessity as I'm not very kinky.

When I see names, such as the one in your OP "analsub4you", I assume their main interest is kink.




agirl -> RE: Core reasonings for turning to D/s (12/12/2010 9:30:55 AM)

Following Jeff's post was never going to be easy .......LOL

I didn't really choose *it*. I chose to be with a man that embodied all the basic, pragmatic, sensible things that I thought would suit me. HE was a dom, hence I ended up owned.

It's rare for me to take a stab at why I chose *it* these days, or why I chose the infuriating path of being his. The only answer seems to boil down to * it suits me*..or *it works*.

I'm smiley, I'm happy, he makes me laugh, makes me cry, drives me nuts, he's fun, he's strong, he's unshakeable, he's a leader, he's responsible and I'm still passionate about him and  *it* after a decade of knowing him.

agirl






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