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kalikshama -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:00:31 AM)

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Really? Has any woman here been the sole breadwinner for years AND been happy doing it? I very, very much doubt it.


I'd have no problem being the sole breadwinner if he were taking care of the kids, but since I have no children, that's purely philosophical.

When dating younger men, I've often made more money than they did. I was once dating an unemployed gourmet chef. I used to bring him bags of groceries, which he'd whip into gourmet meals, and then fuck me all night long. Mmm, mmm, mmm. I paid his phone bill monthly, and paid to get his stove fixed, etc. He was my favoritist fuck buddy ever.

But for a more serious D/s relationship, I would prefer that we were at least equal earners because otherwise for me financial inequality could undermine the power dynamic.




AquaticSub -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:02:02 AM)

(Pst... was that fast reply or in response to me?)




thishereboi -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:11:54 AM)

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I feel like such a gold digger taking his money for reasons like this but I wouldn't need it if it weren't for him to begin with, right? Right?!!


If it is something he wants and you have explained how expensive it is and he still insists, then hell yes, let him pay for it.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:13:06 AM)

I completely feel if a man or a woman expects their patner to have an expensive up keep, like hair and make up and nails and manicures and pedicures and expensive nice new shoes every month,  THEY, not We foot the bill. Other wise I'd tell them yeah right, in your dreams.

But then again, I wouldn't accept a partner who put such high value on things that cost so much money for so little longjevity,, because I am a frugal person and do not believe in spending 50 dollars every few weeks  for my hair or 20 to 30 dollars every few weeks to get my nails done.  Not when there's much more important to me things and values in life that money should be going to, like being able to afford a house with out paying for it the rest of our lives, or affording to maintain and upkeep a junker car, or better yet buy a new car, or have a lifes savings, incase we really wanna splurge when we're in our twilight years and go to jamaca or something super costly.
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ORIGINAL: itsmeinLV

...I'm accepting money to "maintain" myself to way HE likes?

He's always taking (verbal) hits on me because he feels I don't get myself done up the way he likes, but it's expensive to do it!  My hair alone takes about 50 bucks every 2-3 weeks to maintain.  I don't make that much money and I have school/books/equipments to think about first!  Now, I'm not gonna toot my own horn, but I don't think I look like crap when I'm NOT done up...just plain Jane, I guess, but not fugly.  :-/

So this last time he made a comment on my image, I made a deal with him.  If he wants me to "maintain" myself, then give me money to do it.  I told him if he's gonna give me money to get weekly facials to maintain my skin so I can put on make up everyday ("JUST for him"), then I'll do it.  But it's too expensive for me to afford it!  Make up products itself is super expensive!  Not to mention the hair stuff I need and my face is sensitive so, yes, I do need the expensive crap.  Believe me, I don't WANT to need it, but my skin rashes tells me otherwise.  :(

I feel like such a gold digger taking his money for reasons like this but I wouldn't need it if it weren't for him to begin with, right?  Right?!! 

What does E/everybody else think?  Please be gentle, I'm not good with criticism...  :-/





thishereboi -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:28:55 AM)

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I know based on my personal experience the vast majority of ladies I have met here want to be stay at home.


Just for clarification, exactly how many ladies have you met on here?




WolfyMontgomery -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:34:11 AM)

I think of myself the same way, Aquatic. If I made enough money for two people to live comfortably, I wouldn't mind being the one breadwinner. So long as he brings something of equal value into the home, such as keeping the home while I'm busy.

And honestly, does no one believe that keeping home ISN'T a job?! It amazes me how often people forget how much work is put into taking care of your home.

Master's parents live with the man as the main breadwinner and his mother as the housewife. Most she ever brings in monetary wise is from dance lessons, which she gives dirt cheap to only a few people, and the occasional hula dance show. Usually doesn't add up to even equal the taxable minimum every year (meaning she only brought in $3,000-5,000 for the entire year).  He doesn't seem to mind too terribly bad that he's working full time, other than coming home tired. But she does more than enough to make up for the lack of "monetary value" that she brings to the household.
His mother does all the house work, and I can tell you, she works her butt off.
  • There's the cleaning, which includes bedroom, kitchen, dining room, living room, two bathrooms, the office, and the basement where the laundry room and her dance studio is. Bare minimum half hour each room (vacuum, dust, tidy, mopping, sweeping, etc), that's a good 4 hours of work at least. Granted you may not do this every day, but during the winter months when people track their muddy/wet leafy boots through the rooms you can be sure it'll be done every other day at least.
  • There's dishes, which even with a dishwasher can take quite some time especially when people have cooked a large dinner with a lot of different pots and pans (you can't put shit in those things cruddy, it doesn't come off, gotta handwash first).On nights after a big meal, you could be in there for almost an hour scrubbing tough grease and caked on guck enough to put it in the dishwasher.
  • There's the cooking - and she makes GREAT meals. She makes food from scratch when she can, and spends at least an hour in the kitchen every day preparing meals.
  • There's the laundry - both her's and her husband's, plus their bedsheets, plus towels, plus any other cloth in the house that can and will inevitably get dirty. Think, each load is 40 minutes for a cycle, then about an hour to dry. A load a day is what she tends to do (two hours), or three loads every three days (6 hours).
  • She takes care of the finances, balances the accounts and pays bills. They do it all paper (old folks, go figure), so it takes a lot longer than "click, bill paid!"
By my estimates (which I know are extremely rough but not wholly inaccurate, since I've done that stuff too and know how fast time flies) she's spending a good 4-10 hours each day making sure that house is up to snuff. And I KNOW I'm missing stuff on that list that she does that I didn't think of off the top of my head.
It's a full time job to keep a home looking nice and keeping it sanitary. Even if she were only getting paid minimum wage she'd be making four digits a month. She does the same amount of work he does, the only difference is that his has 'monetary' value. But if she went out to get a job and bring the same amount he does every month, who'd do all the housework?

They've lived that way for like 30 years. I doubt they have any qualms about continuing to live so.

And neither would I, because if I were the breadwinner, I would most definitely appreciate all the hard work Master would be doing around the house as his own job. And I know Master agrees with me on that one (though I also know that he wants to be the breadwinner, and me the housewife, lol).




AquaticSub -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:40:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WolfyMontgomery

And honestly, does no one believe that keeping home ISN'T a job?! It amazes me how often people forget how much work is put into taking care of your home.



I really thought I wanted to be a housewife. Then I realized how much work it is. [;)]

In reality, what happened is I experienced both being one and holding down a job. And ya know what... my personality is just a lot more suited to holding down a job. I enjoy going out every day and interacting with my customers and co-workers. Beyond enjoying it, it's remarkably good for my mental health to get out of the house every day. It's better for me and I'm an all-around happier person and better pet when I'm working.

Whereas Valyraen is a huge introvert and is quite happy being a homebody. He's happiest when he gets to stay home. If our positions were switched, job-wise, we both think we'd be better off overall as a unit.




Elisabella -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:56:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
If I'm good he wears his ren fair gear around the house. [:)]

(Have I mentioned I love garb? And crap... I make a mistake mentioning this thread to him. Now we're making a lot of bad Rennie and gamer jokes involving the game 'Overlord').



lol that's hot. I haven't been to a ren faire but it's something I've always wanted to do. Of course I'd be all dressed like a princess in gold and brocade and stuff XD But at least historically a princess can still be submissive...to her prince lol

If I were going to dress up though, it's too hard to mess around with all the layers of skirts and trying to find a comfortable position in a corset...I'd go for some Cleopatra/Caesar action :D




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 5:08:22 AM)

You're leaving out laundry, and folding an putting away, unless of course you don't wear clothing, the clothing don't need to be washed dried folded and put away, or it's done magically by itself,  the cleaning of said kitchen and dishes to do the food, if you're eating 3 square meals a day, all home cooked, that's a lot of kitchen work, to clean the kitchen an do the dishes after every meal. Being an efficient domestic house lady, isn't busy work.

We have a dark blue carpet, it'd need vaccumed at least 4 times a day  some days of the month to look as clean as some of these men want their homes looking clean, you could vaccume it an the next moment someone came in from outside, or the dog paraded through the house, there'd be another need to vaccume because every time you come in from outside you track in stuff in this family lol..


My mom, has the entire kitchen clean, stove top cleaned off if it was soiled, table wiped, counters wiped, everything put away, not a spot out of place, and the very next time someone wants to cook a home made meal, the kitchen, certainly in respect to dishes and them being dirty, a mess that  needs to be done all over again. It doesn't help that ours is a small kitchen and even 10 plates and pots left out makes it look filthy.

So, it takes a chunk of time change to prep the meal, then a time change chunk to cook the meal, another chunk of time change to serve the meal, and then more time to CLEAN UP THE MEAL. Meal's are not simply " just an hour or so" Specially not if you take a lot of pride in doing them right, or it's a baked good like a pie. Shit "an hour" won't even hardly get you anywhere  near being ready to bake it or eat it with pies or pastries made completely from scratch.

If some inconsiderate twit left the kitchen a mess and you had to clean up before baking or cooking, then that's at least 30 minutes of prep work before you can begin your prep work.

IF you're the ONLY person who does tALL  COOKING AND CLEANING LAUNDRY ECT ECT , that's hard work, and any one who dared  suggest to me if I was the sole person maintaining the home, or hell even doing most it alone,  it was just "busy work" and not that time consuming would be cooking and cleaning his own damned meals and washing his own laundry.
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ORIGINAL: CountrySong

I know based on my personal experience the vast majority of ladies I have met here want to be stay at home.


This is the 21st century. Three bedroom and two bath home take maybe four hours to clean from top to bottom. Food takes maybe an hour a day to prepare so that is five hours out of sixteen. (Yes I have done both professionally so I know what I'm talking about.)

I guess a lot of that is my hispanic background where very defined roles still exist and if the woman is not working outside the home then she is raising a garden and running a business from inside the home (at least in my family.) Personally, I would be ashamed to have a woman who stayed home and sat on her butt or just did "stay busy" work meet my family.

As for the dynamic of being a house husband. When I have financial freedom then maybe but I highly doubt that as I just would not respect myself if I did and no one in my family would respect me if I did; but, having said that this is LIFESTYLE and if it works for you and you are both happy then that is all that matters.





barelynangel -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 5:45:19 AM)

Ummm Jaybeee, i'm not a Man, so yes, i would have an issue with a Man who was a Master living off me, any man..  I am not the Dom or Master in the relationship, so yes, i would have a problem with same living off me.  I don't hold to the current ohhh men and women are equal.   I don't think or believe that's what is good for the woman is good for a man.  I am not a 21st century woman.  Yes, i see a Man who wishes to live off a woman as not a "real" man but a man willing to relinguishe control to be taken care of by a woman.  That is not something i can respect in a Man.

There is no equality between men and women in a relationship, they are completely different so there can be no equality.  So i see no issue with women living off men, but i do see an issue when a man chooses to live off a woman.  To me, its different.

Is it hypocritical, probably, but nothing in life is fair.

angel




barelynangel -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 6:02:26 AM)

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spending 50 dollars every few weeks  for my hair


Damn girl, where do you get your hair done?  That is usually the TIP for me.

angel




petmonkey -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 12:31:17 PM)

i suppose this thread got derailed. Here [sm=2cents.gif]:

i'm too much of a hippy-punk for all that make-up/hairdresser/pedi-mani stuff really :) so honestly my response is "what is this salon you speak of?"

i think what struck me as different between being employed outside the home and being the homekeeper was this--i left my job, when i clocked out and left the building, even when i was "on-call" i was no longer "at work" or "working".  i was officially done for the day. But when i was a homekeeper, i was always "on the job"  even in the wee hours of the morning.  If there was something that needed to be done in the "business" we called "home", i'm the one doing it, it doesn't get delegated to the janitor or the building contractor or the business manager or the lunch-counter lady or the IT department or the mail room or the facilities manager or the advertizing department or whatever.  All those workers, all those departments are me.

But then, i tend to also take on those tasks that some people view as "man tasks".  i'm the one mowing the lawn, taking out the trash, winterizing the house, pruning the tree, fixing the busted sink drain, re-caulking the tub, etc. 

People forgot errand running in their lists, that hour (really? only an hour a day? i must have been doing it wrong!) of cooking doesn't happen after food fell out of a magic cupboard. :p




AquaticSub -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 1:20:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
If I'm good he wears his ren fair gear around the house. [:)]

(Have I mentioned I love garb? And crap... I make a mistake mentioning this thread to him. Now we're making a lot of bad Rennie and gamer jokes involving the game 'Overlord').



lol that's hot. I haven't been to a ren faire but it's something I've always wanted to do. Of course I'd be all dressed like a princess in gold and brocade and stuff XD But at least historically a princess can still be submissive...to her prince lol

If I were going to dress up though, it's too hard to mess around with all the layers of skirts and trying to find a comfortable position in a corset...I'd go for some Cleopatra/Caesar action :D


Hey if you want to get into it, they often didn't have much choice about who they married, etc,  so even the highest ranking women, with a few notable exceptions like Queen Elizabeth, had to be - if not submissive - very selective in when they stood up for themselves.

Corsets are actually remarkably comfortable - provided you are properly fitted and spend the cash on a good one. And you are taught how to wear it! I can wear several of mine for hours and hours without a problem. [:)]

You should definitely check out a ren fair though. They are TONS of fun. Lots of men in very tight leather pants, armor, getting sweaty, bawdy jokes... It's like home. [:D]




MissAsylum -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 1:31:07 PM)

I second this. I WISH that was all I paid to get my hair done.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

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spending 50 dollars every few weeks  for my hair


Damn girl, where do you get your hair done?  That is usually the TIP for me.

angel




subinlife -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 1:34:16 PM)

I agree with PetMonkey on this one.
Work you leave, your done.
Housework is all the time.




AquaticSub -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 1:52:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

I second this. I WISH that was all I paid to get my hair done.



Shop around. My grandmother did hair professionally for most of her life so my Mother and I have certain expectations for when we get our hair done. Still, I've found that if I poke around and call the various hair places - keep in mind I'm doing it knowing exactly what products I want used and specifically inquiring what they use and how much they charge for it - I can keep my bill around 70 or 80 or a cut and color with processing and a HD developer that adds to the price. I like my color to be intense...[:)]

I used to pay a lot more till my favorite hairdresser skipped town and I got wise to price doesn't equal a good result as I had to salon hop till I found someone else! [:D]

Depending on what she is actually getting done (she didn't say), how smart she is being with her salon selection and her location... 50 can go a long way.




wandersalone -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 3:32:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: itsmeinLV

So this last time he made a comment on my image, I made a deal with him.  If he wants me to "maintain" myself, then give me money to do it.  I told him if he's gonna give me money to get weekly facials to maintain my skin so I can put on make up everyday ("JUST for him"), then I'll do it. 


You have had a lot of good answers about your main question so I just wanted to add a comment about weekly facials.  Even wearing makeup every day I think having a facial weekly at a salon would be overkill.  But it is important to cleanse your face every evening to ensure you take your make up off.  I have masks that I use at home when I feel like it (it usually works out to once a month or so and I always cleanse at night if  have been wearing makeup and put on a moisturiser most days (when I remember).  Also make sure to drink lots of water to hydrate your skin.




pahunkboy -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 3:47:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

I second this. I WISH that was all I paid to get my hair done.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

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spending 50 dollars every few weeks  for my hair


Damn girl, where do you get your hair done?  That is usually the TIP for me.

angel



Amazing.    I am glad I don't have to.   Wow.




Jaybeee -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:49:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Ummm Jaybeee, i'm not a Man, so yes, i would have an issue with a Man who was a Master living off me, any man..  I am not the Dom or Master in the relationship, so yes, i would have a problem with same living off me.  I don't hold to the current ohhh men and women are equal.   I don't think or believe that's what is good for the woman is good for a man.  I am not a 21st century woman.  Yes, i see a Man who wishes to live off a woman as not a "real" man but a man willing to relinguishe control to be taken care of by a woman.  That is not something i can respect in a Man.

There is no equality between men and women in a relationship, they are completely different so there can be no equality.  So i see no issue with women living off men, but i do see an issue when a man chooses to live off a woman.  To me, its different.

Is it hypocritical, probably, but nothing in life is fair.

angel


Well I'm more a man of my father's generation than my own. What I haven't said so far (because out of general habit of not wanting to attract gold-diggers) is that I'd absolutely LOVE to support a woman utterly.

(All right, stop looking so damn shocked, all of you.)

The difference between you and them is, you freely admit the lack of equality. I just want THEM to do likewise. I also don't want to be a victim of a cunning financial predatress, and it's almost a full-time job trying to keep ahead of their tactics.

As for being a househusband, I could pull it off so long as I pursued all my other passions throughout the day, which do not entail sitting around watching soaps or gossiping on the phone, there's a world out there and I'm not NOT going to be enjoying it!




WolfyMontgomery -> RE: is it gold digging if... (12/5/2010 4:57:32 PM)

Eww, soap operas and talking pointlessly on the phone? I'd rather be doing housework!




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