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RCdc -> RE: Where is God ? (12/9/2010 4:56:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
And as I said, total nonsense. Your claim that being able to name/place something in any way diminishes it is horseshit whether you are god or an imbecile.


Whatever you label, you place a limit on it, unless you name it like Mr Gates, in which case it becomes god.
'Sorry' you cannot grasp that concept.Heyho.




pyroaquatic -> RE: Where is God ? (12/9/2010 5:29:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RCdc

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Anyway of the believers in the God3 as I call them, the different interpretations, God, Yahweh and Allah may I ask those who believe, quite simply where is the god you believe in, where does it reside ?


If you can pin down a god to a place and name, then you limit that god and also place yourself of a par if not above said god, which makes you infinitely more powerful than said god - in which case said god would be pointless to you.

Unless you are god.


This would be true if our pin/language was complex and accurate enough to push all the way through.

It is not for these words are simply placeholders and rather limited. For example the word 'infinite' or the concept of 'zero'.

well thank you anyway god but god has some god things to do. God? Good.

I wonder what God's name for God is and if we could ever attempt it with our feeble tongues.

:P




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Where is God ? (12/9/2010 8:12:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RCdc


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
And as I said, total nonsense. Your claim that being able to name/place something in any way diminishes it is horseshit whether you are god or an imbecile.


Whatever you label, you place a limit on it, unless you name it like Mr Gates, in which case it becomes god.
'Sorry' you cannot grasp that concept.Heyho.


The only thing to grasp is that you dont know wtf youre talking about.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Where is God ? (12/9/2010 8:15:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

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ORIGINAL: RCdc

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Anyway of the believers in the God3 as I call them, the different interpretations, God, Yahweh and Allah may I ask those who believe, quite simply where is the god you believe in, where does it reside ?


If you can pin down a god to a place and name, then you limit that god and also place yourself of a par if not above said god, which makes you infinitely more powerful than said god - in which case said god would be pointless to you.

Unless you are god.


This would be true if our pin/language was complex and accurate enough to push all the way through.

It is not for these words are simply placeholders and rather limited. For example the word 'infinite' or the concept of 'zero'.

well thank you anyway god but god has some god things to do. God? Good.

I wonder what God's name for God is and if we could ever attempt it with our feeble tongues.

:P



Infinite and zero are quite precisely defined and limited only by those who dont bother to learn what they are.

Gods name for god? Charlatan.




Brain -> RE: Where is God ? (12/9/2010 8:38:32 PM)

I think she's having fun riding her unicorn like that song wildfire. You know, we'll be riding wildfire... We're gonna ride him...


Wildfire- Michael Martin Murphey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc3OnSQc48s




Kirata -> RE: Where is God ? (12/9/2010 9:19:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Infinite and zero are quite precisely defined...

Well unh, actually, infinite is "quite precisely defined" as something indefinite: unmeasurable in extent, duration, etc. [:D]

K.







RCdc -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 12:43:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
The only thing to grasp is that you dont know wtf youre talking about.



Thank you for your rather good examples.[:)]




Kirata -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 12:50:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

I think she's having fun riding her unicorn...

What a unique idea! Can we presume that that's what you would do if you were God? [:D]

K.











domiguy -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 1:15:39 AM)

Wilbur is a cunt. I am a God. However, wilbur is still a cunt.




lickenforyou -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 2:23:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Interesting how you avoided the article written by Einstein

Here is the link

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/einsci.htm

But, i expected you already knew that. [:D]


I think that you and Kirata are missing what he is saying. He repeats it over and over. The religious FEELING which inspires art and science. The sense of the mystical and the sheer awesomeness of everything. And, it was a very turbulent time as far as religion vs science. He didn't want the religious FEELING to be dismissed because it is what inspires people to seek the truth.

My original post to you was in that vein. People (not you, I don't know you) will often accept that it is God who has done everything and  there is no need to question it.






SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 2:25:52 AM)

What did cunts ever do to you, to deserve such comparison and denigration?!  
You're a fake, as no God would ever offend cunts that way.   M




lickenforyou -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 2:44:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hertz


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ORIGINAL: lickenforyou

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

So instead of having an intelligent conversation about the location of god you would rather have a pissing contest concerning the effectiveness of insults??

Then you turn around and call someone immature.

Aggravating is the gall and guile of man in a circumstantial maelstrom of  chance.

I have no need to insult or demean you. You will continue to do it to yourself.

have a nice day.



Did you read the whole thread? I responded to a statement that came after the OP, not the OP. And, The comment on the quality of the insult was tongue in cheek. Sorry I should have put LOL after it. I am beginning to realize that people are incapable of discerning deeper meanings on their own. And the, tongue in cheek insult came after Hertz posted a portion of a  study with no explanation of how that helped his view.

You should really know what you're talking about before you jump into a conversation.



You're doing it again. Are you incapable of making your argument without insulting others?

You posted a reference to a study with the suggestion that bright people are more likely than average to be atheists. I posted a reference to a study showing that bright people are more likely than average to have mental illnesses. Your atheists are crazy. Look, this isn't complicated - it's been shown in study after study that 90% of all studies are inaccurate nonsense. The remaining 10% are made up. I wasn't convinced by your argument, and I remain unconvinced. But rather than seeing my reply as an opportunity to debate, you took the easy option and reached for an insult. That's why I think you fail.

LOL.




Sorry, but telling someone that they don't know what they are talking about is not an insult. The fact that he quoted the title of the OP showed that he didn't read what was before it. Hence, he did not know what he was talking about.

As far as your post is concerned, I don't believe that it was meant to spark a conversation. It came across as snarky, to me. I could be wrong




Moonhead -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 8:25:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Wilbur is a cunt. I am a God. However, wilbur is still a cunt.


Reminds me of that old t shirt slogan:

"Jesus loves you: everybody else thinks you're a twat"




Kirata -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 10:43:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lickenforyou

I think that you and Kirata are missing what he is saying.

You seem to imagine that what Einstein actually says should be disregarded in the light of your mind-reading abilities. You claim he was not religious. But he himself claimed to be deeply religious. You insist he was only talking about "religious feelings," not something he actually considered to be real. But he speaks directly of the God of his belief, "the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality."

In short, you are just making shit up.

K.




pyroaquatic -> RE: Where is God ? (12/10/2010 11:34:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lickenforyou
I am beginning to realize that people are incapable of discerning deeper meanings on their own.


I believe that people of all walks of life are very capable of discerning deeper meanings on their own.

Yes, I did read the thread in its entirety.

I was simply bemoaning the fact that some like to display some sort of imagined superiority over others in regards to their use of tasteless insults. Not really a matter of if you are or are not wrong in your assumptions of the location of God.

This banter and yes, even that of Einstein is completely speculative and is in the realm of theory. I do not see how anyone can be completely RIGHT or WRONG on this subject.

As long as it gets people through the day and onto the next.... so be it.

No part is more important than any other part. Each part is unique and equally important. Said parts form wholes greater than the sum of the parts.

ah

as I said before,
whatever delusions get you through the day.





lickenforyou -> RE: Where is God ? (12/11/2010 3:31:41 AM)

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the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: lickenforyou

I think that you and Kirata are missing what he is saying.

You seem to imagine that what Einstein actually says should be disregarded in the light of your mind-reading abilities. You claim he was not religious. But he himself claimed to be deeply religious. You insist he was only talking about "religious feelings," not something he actually considered to be real. But he speaks directly of the God of his belief, "the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality."

In short, you are just making shit up.

K.



Ha ha, nice try. Here's the full quote...

"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance-but for us, not for God."      - Einstien






SleazeMerchant -> RE: Where is God ? (12/11/2010 3:56:14 AM)

Where is god? Good question.

If something is unseen, unheard or untouched, and does not occupy a space of its own, and does not interact with reality in any detectable fashion, what would this mean? Well, there are a number of answers to this it seems. Some would say that it exists outside of time and space. Ok, I guess that probably would match the attributes we gave this thing. But then others would say that it doesn't exist. Which also matches these attributes. Now what I would like to know, how do you determine whether something exists or doesn't exist? What if this object I was talking about was a suitcase with $1 trillion in it? Would you be willing to accept payment? What about my girlfriend? (Which, incidently does match those criteria, lol) You would say I was making it up probably. You can't prove that it doesn't exist though... Which is why things that actually do exist make them selves evident in some way.

And an appeal to authority is a logical fallacy; smart or not, people can be wrong and people can make mistakes. Huge mistakes. Take the cosmological constant Einstein incorporated into his model of general relativity. He made a huge mistake in doing that, and why? Because he didn't like that his theory said that the universe should be expanding, so he made it so it said that it didn't.

*shrugs*




tazzygirl -> RE: Where is God ? (12/11/2010 8:13:23 AM)

“I am not a family man. I want my peace. I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” ~ Albert Einstein

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. ~ Albert Einstein




SleazeMerchant -> RE: Where is God ? (12/11/2010 9:01:19 AM)

Whats your point? Are you trying to point out more examples of Einstein being wrong or what?




Real0ne -> RE: Where is God ? (12/11/2010 9:08:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

For the sake of seeking a label to define, I am not a believer in God,Yahweh or Allah in their holy scripture forms, yet I do believe in something I cannot describe that combines everything as an interpretation of and that which resides in the self and others and the enviroment at the same time, not pagan for feeling is there and not any of the god3 as they divide mankind not bring it together. Perhaps spiritual but not religious, that is me, but I will carefully hear and consider wise words where I may find them, wherever they are hidden in whatever ideology. Am I an atheist, agnostic, pagan or what all encompassing term, you now, just for the filling in forms thing ?

Anyway of the believers in the God3 as I call them, the different interpretations, God, Yahweh and Allah may I ask those who believe, quite simply where is the god you believe in, where does it reside ?



The way you framed it you are trying to build a stove out of boards.

God resides in the soul.

The soul in you.

God is not something you can hold in your hand and pet like a kitten and to try and construct God in that manner is like mixing water and oil




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