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steve2011 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 9:38:34 AM)

I've noticed with the replies a lot of people on here seem to have a lot of anger/pain inside of them, a simple look through the replies will show that. I have a rule in life in general which most healthy people do naturally and that's not to argue with people with emotional problems as it's something there not capable of doing healthly until they become aware of it.

If you watch a great leader/debater, say a politician for example they will not argue in this style, it's very obvious to pick up a person with repressed emotional pain by the way in which they argue/debate, they will always try to overpower the other, whereas a great debater won't do that.

Quite interesting that people on here would be overbearing as having an overbearing person close to you is often a big factor in many peoples problems, which sadly a lot of people are not aware of, including myself at one time, belive it or not.



sexyred1 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:19:29 AM)

Wow....24 pages and steve is still delusional.

So far, and I have not read even half of this thread, it seems to me, stevie, that you are the one with the emotional pain/anger inside.

If you were fine, you would never be on a BDSM site complaining that people into BDSM are fucked up and wrong.

See the problem there sparky? Or did you come here to either a). do a book report on BDSM sites or b). this was a cry for help?



Charles6682 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:20:12 AM)

Steve,do you even have a life?I am amazed the Collarme community has given this thread the unneeded attention it does not deserve.To sit here and pick out everyone emotions based on their lifestyle choice,is rather foolish.Spare me your 3 cent psychology degree.Thats if you really even have one.I have known people who do have a REAL psychology who would disagree with your "professional" views.Just like with anything,not all Psychologist and Psychiatrist will always agree on everything.I have taken psychology courses myself in college.I have read alot of the "psychology" of this lifestyle and I asked real questions with those who have a REAL psychology degree.There is nothing wrong with this lifestyle as a choice.I am perfectly happy as a male submissive myself.I still like to enjoy doing "vanilla" male things.I have high self esteem and I view my submission as apart of who I am.

Are there situations where BDSM can become an illness?Yes,there is to a degree.Some people who suffer from low self-esteem may find BDSM as a "cure" for their illness.Those people should be encouraged to seek help from those in this lifestyle.If someone is so obessed with this lifestyle,that they are addicted,they should seek help.If one cant go to work or have a productive life as a result of this lifestyle,then they should seek some help.The DSM-4 as it stands today,gives a rather "limited" idea on when BDSM may be come an illness for some.Of course,as the DSMs become updated through the course of time,many of these "mental illness" are changing as a result of societys acceptance of one lifestyle choice.There was a time when homosexuality was considered a mental illness,now its not.

Your so called "psychology" seems to stem from the 1920s mindset.Put down your Sigmund Freud book and wake up to the 2000s pal.Times change.



Phoenixpower -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:22:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011
If you watch a great leader/debater, say a politician for example


And since when do politician equal with great leader/debater? [8|]

Most of the politicians I have seen talk at least as much bullocks as you do [:D]



LadyPact -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:23:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
This is your mistake.  A troll feeds on attention.  By responding, you give it attention - and thus, you feed it.

Part of the problem here is that people haven't progressed to the point where they dismiss idiotic opinions as irrelevant.  They feel compelled to respond and that lack of discipline becomes a lever by which they're manipulated.

Thus endeth the lesson.


You're not getting this, are you?

Threads like this are funny as hell.  It's like having our own version of a court jester.  Don't you get the comedy value of the possibility that exists that this guy actually believes his delusions of grandeur?  Keeping him going provides Me with additional entertainment.

The fact that so many people have made a fool out of this guy (and he's made a fool out of himself) on so many levels is more than amusing.  The idea that he may not even be aware of it only makes it more so.  The thought that the guy might possibly be so obsessed with this site that he's coming back at all kinds of various posting times that completely concur the office/business hours in his location is freaking hysterical. 

The glimmer of hope that I have as a person who enjoys other forms of sadism than just the physical loves exploring the possibility that this guy is struggling with his own urges.  As a Dominant woman, I absolutely get off on the drives of submissive men.  Especially the ones who have the hunger to be used by a sadistic woman and it kills them to be craving their desires because they are 'wrong'.  Even when it's something that they secretly want so bad that it makes their teeth itch.  That's a playground for Me.  Sadistic women are no different than sadistic men in this aspect. 

Of course, there's also that part of Me that feels sorry for him.  People who crave raw, primal, animalistic sex with the additional play that heightens their senses so the endorphins in their brain are taking them to levels of pleasure that they've never experienced.  The fantasy that they can't quite have when their having the boring, passionless sex (if they are having any sex at all) that fills their beds.  It's got to suck when the fantasies that a person has when they masturbate are more exciting than the sex life that they actually have. I suppose the person I should really feel sorry for is the woman the OP is sleeping with.  She must be bored as hell.





Lockit -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:24:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011

I've noticed with the replies a lot of people on here seem to have a lot of anger/pain inside of them, a simple look through the replies will show that. I have a rule in life in general which most healthy people do naturally and that's not to argue with people with emotional problems as it's something there not capable of doing healthly until they become aware of it.

If you watch a great leader/debater, say a politician for example they will not argue in this style, it's very obvious to pick up a person with repressed emotional pain by the way in which they argue/debate, they will always try to overpower the other, whereas a great debater won't do that.

Quite interesting that people on here would be overbearing as having an overbearing person close to you is often a big factor in many peoples problems, which sadly a lot of people are not aware of, including myself at one time, belive it or not.


Oh! Oh, oh! Does this mean that because you think we are emotionally unbalanced because of what we do, that you will not argue with us and try to prove your point repeatedly? You seem to be messing with people you don't understand and think are emotionally damaged, thus you could upset us and cause us harm. Thus, you really should leave us alone so that we don't do further harm to ourselves! (By your own take on things of course.)

You see, I also have an opinion on what you are doing. That is, that you think you are correct about things and will continue to insult our emotional balance and continue to argue your point and prove your savior complex which is another mental or emotional disorder. Your continued going's on about it proves that you have your own imbalance to work through and you really shouldn't force it upon us for many reasons. When was the last time you had an appointment with your own counselor? I would recommend it.

If you continue, you don't prove a point other than the point of those calling you a troll or someone who likes attention and to stir things up. You have given your message, it was not accepted, we no longer need your evaluation of what we do or our persons. Your message wasn't received and you continue... so we must consider that you have your own agenda and imbalance, like to hear yourself talk in pride and ego or are here simply to stir. You stir, people play with you and then you call it anger and emotional imbalance.

I personally think you need to repeat psych 101 or make an appointment with someone that can really help you.

Those bad bdsm people will not listen to my wisdom counselor... I'm obsessing about it. Help me counselor!



windchymes -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:25:58 AM)

Okay, so what exactly are you looking for, steve? You have 24 pages of responses, none of which agree with yours. What do you want? Do you have this vision of people suddenly turning and moving zombie-like towards you chanting phrases of adoration and praise for rescuing them from the road to hell and condemnation? Are you the savior? The Great White Light? Did you take a psychology class and decide to hang out a shingle? What?




Phoenixpower -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:26:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I suppose the person I should really feel sorry for is the woman the OP is sleeping with.  She must be bored as hell.



If the OP is old enough to actually being allowed to have sex [8|]



steve2011 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:27:15 AM)

I do have a life, I come on here, once twice a week to reply to any private messages, i'd totally forgotten about this thread but it's obviosuly stirred up a lot of emotions in people.

In fact I won't be on for another week, i'd prefer it if the thread dropped but that won't happen. Sub conciously I beleive a lot of people on here would like to change hence the reason for such an interest in my thread.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Charles6682

Steve,do you even have a life?I am amazed the Collarme community has given this thread the unneeded attention it does not deserve.To sit here and pick out everyone emotions based on their lifestyle choice,is rather foolish.Spare me you 3 cent psychology degree.Thats if you really even have one.I have known people who do have a REAL psychology who would disagree with your "professional" views.I have taken psychology courses myself in college.I have read alot of the "psychology" of this lifestyle and I asked real questions with those who have a REAL psychology degree.There is nothing wrong with this lifestyle as a choice.I am perfectly happy as a male submissive myself.I still like to enjoy "alpha" male things.I have high self esteem and I view my submission as apart of who I am.

Are there situations where BDSM can become an illness?Yes,there is to a degree.Some people who suffer from low self-esteem may find BDSM as a "cure" for their illness.Those people should be encouraged to seek help from those in this lifestyle.If someone is so obessed with this lifestyle,that they are addicted,they should seek help.If one cant go to work or have a productive life as a result of this lifestyle,then they should seek some help.The DSM-4 as it stands today,gives a rather "limited" idea on when BDSM may be come an illness for some.Of course,as the DSMs become updated through the course of time,many of these mental illness are a result of societys acceptance of one lifestyle choice.There was a time when homosexuality was considered a mental illness,now its not.

Your so called "psychology" seems to stem from the 1920s mindset.Put down your Sigmund Freud book and wake up to the 2000s pal.Times change.




steve2011 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:30:47 AM)

The fact that you enjoy being sadistic says a lot.

You do realise you were not born that way? Nobody is. There will be some life event, or perhaps a series of events that will have trigged that inside of you. You can either deal with it or choose bdsm, it may be hard work but that's basically the jist of it.
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
This is your mistake.  A troll feeds on attention.  By responding, you give it attention - and thus, you feed it.

Part of the problem here is that people haven't progressed to the point where they dismiss idiotic opinions as irrelevant.  They feel compelled to respond and that lack of discipline becomes a lever by which they're manipulated.

Thus endeth the lesson.


You're not getting this, are you?

Threads like this are funny as hell.  It's like having our own version of a court jester.  Don't you get the comedy value of the possibility that exists that this guy actually believes his delusions of grandeur?  Keeping him going provides Me with additional entertainment.

The fact that so many people have made a fool out of this guy (and he's made a fool out of himself) on so many levels is more than amusing.  The idea that he may not even be aware of it only makes it more so.  The thought that the guy might possibly be so obsessed with this site that he's coming back at all kinds of various posting times that completely concur the office/business hours in his location is freaking hysterical. 

The glimmer of hope that I have as a person who enjoys other forms of sadism than just the physical loves exploring the possibility that this guy is struggling with his own urges.  As a Dominant woman, I absolutely get off on the drives of submissive men.  Especially the ones who have the hunger to be used by a sadistic woman and it kills them to be craving their desires because they are 'wrong'.  Even when it's something that they secretly want so bad that it makes their teeth itch.  That's a playground for Me.  Sadist women are no different than sadistic men in this aspect. 

Of course, there's also that part of Me that feels sorry for him.  People who crave raw, primal, animalistic sex with the additional play that heightens their senses so the endorphins in their brain are taking them to levels of pleasure that they've never experienced.  The fantasy that they can't quite have when their having the boring, passionless sex (if they are having any sex at all) that fills their beds.  It's got to suck when the fantasies that a person has when they masturbate are more exciting than the sex life that they actually have. I suppose the person I should really feel sorry for is the woman the OP is sleeping with.  She must be bored as hell.







Lockit -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:38:17 AM)

Is it a professional counselor's position to force treatment upon people that never asked for assistance? How does it work to force something on someone? How is it productive to force an opinion or anything else on someone?

Just like Stevie says it is wrong to force sadism on people and to be sadistic or wish to play with a sadistic person... his force is equally as wrong (according to his type of evaluation) and I think he is getting some sadistic pleasure in forcing his will and personal assessments upon others.

Stevie... go look in the mirror and have a long discussion with yourself. Sooner or later people are going to get tired of your game and that is all you will have left, so you might as well get it over with and just go talk to yourself.

Stevie, you are such a sadist!



Lockit -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:41:26 AM)

Don't worry folks... Stevie will get hit with words and will have to run again. I just can't decide if he wants to be sadistic or masochistic. I think he's a switch.



LadyPact -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:53:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011
The fact that you enjoy being sadistic says a lot.

You do realise you were not born that way? Nobody is. There will be some life event, or perhaps a series of events that will have trigged that inside of you. You can either deal with it or choose bdsm, it may be hard work but that's basically the jist of it.

Yes, I realize it stevie.  See, I'm a later in life Dominant and sadist.  The life event that happened was I started having the most amazing sex on the planet.

I'd have to wonder about any man who doesn't know how to tap into his sexual drives.  Let Me guess, steve.  You've never had any thoughts of having a sexual encounter with a woman who wanted to use you as a sexual object to satisfy her desires.  You haven't had a woman attack you in bed because she wanted to devour your body in such a way sexually that it blows your mind.

Damn shame, that.



Phoenixpower -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 10:56:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011
for such an interest in my thread.


huhu...do we show signs of narcissm in your personality [:D]



myotherself -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 11:10:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Yes, I realize it stevie.  See, I'm a later in life Dominant and sadist.  The life event that happened was I started having the most amazing sex on the planet.




Very similar to myself, LadyP. I'm a later in life submissive and masochist. Same life event - sex was always crap.

Now I have the most amazing sex ever, and feel an emotional bond with my partner that thrills, amazes and astounds me every time I think of it. Which is a lot, lol




allnewtome -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 11:40:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Yes, I realize it stevie.  See, I'm a later in life Dominant and sadist.  The life event that happened was I started having the most amazing sex on the planet.




Very similar to myself, LadyP. I'm a later in life submissive and masochist. Same life event - sex was always crap.

Now I have the most amazing sex ever, and feel an emotional bond with my partner that thrills, amazes and astounds me every time I think of it. Which is a lot, lol




Me too. Me too [sm=line.gif][sm=line.gif]


Do you see a pattern here Steve. We are all having the most amazing sex.


Are you?



GreedyTop -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 11:43:23 AM)

~FR~

has anyone else noticed we get 2 trolls for the price of one in this thread?



Lockit -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 11:48:09 AM)

You're all now a bunch of sex addicts and need counseling!

[sm=Groaner.gif]  I can hear it now! [:D]



LadyPact -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 11:58:57 AM)

Pffffttt!!!

I can't tell you how many vanilla people who have run across My path who wished they had My sex life.

I will never forget the gal who was the hotel clerk late one night years ago when I was checking in with both pet and MP in tow........

"Those guys are both with you?"

"Yes."

"And you only need the one room with the king size bed?"

"Yes.  Oh, and if it's possible, could you give us a room with some space between us and the other guests?  I wouldn't want to disturb anyone unintentionally."

"I think we can arrange that.  We'll put you down the hall."

"Thanks."

"I see a lot of people come through here, but I think you're my hero."

[sm=champ.gif]



Lockit -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 12:02:01 PM)

ROFLMAO! I think you are my hero too! [:D][:D][:D]



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