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Twoshoes -> RE: BDSM is wrong (1/12/2011 10:12:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: steve2011
I have a degree in psychology, i'm pretty sure I mentioned that, currently studying for a phd and numerous hours of experience with clients, although I find the best therapists strangely enough are the ones with little education and the ability to connect to their emotions.

Well, I can connect to my emotions and those of others very, very well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your argument seems to amount to:
BDSM desires come from a bad place => practicing BDSM is wrong
Your subjective judgment has missed all the nuances.

First of all, not everyone who thinks kinky sex or control is fun times has been abused. I know some people who haven't.

In my case, I had a ridiculously perfect childhood and great early adolescence. I was pretty lucky. Flower gardens, affection, candy, early bedtimes and knitting things with my grandma.

I think my highly nonjudgmental and adventurous personality was naturally prone to at least adventurous sex. I've always fantasized about exchanging control in a playful manner (both ways actually). So, I'm completely sure I wasn't damaged in any way I was at least 16.

Now, at that point, I was abused somewhat and I will say I honestly believe that's where the degradation/humiliation desires came from. I don't actually whomever I'm with to be into those things. I'm just honest enough to admit what potentially turns me on.

Developing a new kink or some new sexual desire is a lot easier than trying to remove an already developed network of neurons. You can't wish away neural networks... Something you're repressing for moral reasons can be a very sweet guilty pleasure even if you're a completely well-adjusted human being.

Frankly, I'm plenty sure I can have vanilla relationships with completely dull sex.

As for the dominant thing? Well, I simply am the type of person who's good at close relationships, the same way some people are good at leading groups of people. I simply notice how things are going well or not going well faster than most people and I have great ideas on what to do.

Of course when I phrase it this way, it just doesn't sound too fun or kinky.

Now, some people are not as lucky as I am and cannot even get turned on without BDSM (whereas I can [8D]). What do you suggest they do to have sex? If they find a way to have successful relationships, enjoy sex and feel fulfilled in life, isn't that ultimately a "good thing" if no one is being hurt?

One thing that worries me is when someone is clearly not able to appreciate any type of affection besides sex, but that is a slightly different issue.

If you cannot suspend your judgment and keep focusing on whatever "bad" you're trying to understand until you at least perceive what the adaptation is and whether it's causing major dysfunction or hurt, you may as well choose a different career path.




crazyml -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 6:34:14 AM)

I get you Awareness, c'mon you grumpy old sausage, have a big ole hug!




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 7:14:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

  Christ.  If there's one constant in the universe, it's people's absolute obsession with feeding the trolls.  Give it a fucking rest.

Irony troll is ironic.




LadyPact -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 8:03:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Christ.  If there's one constant in the universe, it's people's absolute obsession with feeding the trolls.  Give it a fucking rest.

I'm not feeding it.  I'm poking it with sticks.  Can't you tell the difference?  [sm=stickineye.gif]




AquaticSub -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 11:12:25 AM)

Sometimes if you poke them enough they turn funny colors. [:)]




steve2011 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 12:52:48 PM)

Evening all.

People with bdsm desries are people who are suffering with emotional trauma.

That may sound harsh and it isn't intended as an insult but it's just how it is. From my experience they would have 3 options.Did you know for example most submissive males who enter therapy for out that their root cause was an over bearing mother, that's not always the case but usually when you scratch beneath the surface you'll find that's the case.


Option 1 would be to repress those feelings which isn't healthy, if she has done this all her childhood then it will come out in the form of an addiction or an anxiety, such as drink etc or even

Option 2 would be to act them out in an unhealthy way such as bdsm ( i've no desire to offend you but that's a strong opinion of mine).

Option 3 and in my opinion the healthiest would be to talk about these feelings with a therapist and deal with them in a healthy and safe manner.



Now if you don't agree with that, that's fine by me, I wouldn't force my opinion on anyone, however, i do strongly feel there is a reason behind why every person is on this site, most will dismiss me or become abusive when I speak up about, on the forum for example, the same why that if I went into a pub at 11am on a tuesday morning and told most people they had a drink problem, they would do the same, but even so I would be right.



Anyway, I wish you luck whatever path you choose.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:07:19 PM)

Steve,

This may sound really harsh but NOBODY and I mean NOBODY is buying into your fantasy that you are a PhD student.

A PhD student would know how to do research, one of the first things you learn when working on a thesis, so far you haven't shown any data, you quote obscure websites, stay away from anything that is remotely scientific.

I think you are living in a fantasy world where you actually believe that you are pursuing a degree, get help!




poise -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:11:16 PM)

I can just see you now Steve, when and if you ever become intimate with a woman.
You're going to feel this incessant need to want to grab her by the back of her head
and force her to take every swollen inch of you into her warm and inviting mouth.
And when she's done and you find that you are still raging hard, you are gonna position her on
all fours and you're going to be faced with this overwhelming urge to slap her ass.
Not just pat it nice-nice, but spank it so hard that she'll be wearing your mark for days to come.
And when you finally make your entrance, you're going to feel it just isnt enough to quench that
aching thirst in you, so you grab her hair in your fist and you pull back on her head until your mouth
is so close to her ear that she can feel the heat of your breath. And you'll growl "Mine, you are all mine!"

Oh wait...wrong scenario. You'll stick it in, hump a few times, and thank the heavens above
that you found a woman grateful enough for your attempt to please her.




crazyml -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:13:16 PM)

Oh steve, steve, stevey-steve!

I'm not in the least bit offended. I think you're wrong, that's all!


quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011

Evening all.

People with bdsm desries are people who are suffering with emotional trauma.



I'm absolutely certain that many people within the bdsm community are suffering with some emotional trauma, just as many people within the general population are. Would you mind awfully pointing to some actual stats to support your implied thesis that all people with bdsm desires are suffering with emotional trauma?

And now to this...


quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011

That may sound harsh and it isn't intended as an insult but it's just how it is. From my experience they would have 3 options.Did you know for example most submissive males who enter therapy for out that their root cause was an over bearing mother, that's not always the case but usually when you scratch beneath the surface you'll find that's the case.




This may sound harsh, and it isn't intended as an insult, but this is horseshit. I'd ask you if you could provide any evidence to support this one, but there is none. If you can, I'll apologise fulsomely, but you'll forgive me, I hope, if I write it off as utter jackassedness?








myotherself -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:13:35 PM)

is it possible to fap and giggle at the same time?!

Poise, I thinks I loves you [:D]




poise -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:16:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: myotherself

is it possible to fap and giggle at the same time?!
I'm sure he'd allow it. [;)]

Poise, I thinks I loves you [:D]
*smooches*





Phoenixpower -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:18:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: steve2011

Evening all.

People with bdsm desries are people who are suffering with emotional trauma.

That may sound harsh and it isn't intended as an insult but it's just how it is.


And where do you base your evidence on, troll??? [8|]

quite frankly...the text below is provided from a councelling page where psychologists and councillors can get access to it....and quite frankly the view on their homepage about bdsm is way more healthy than your bitter opinion. I suggest you follow the invitation from this writer which I highlightened and even increased in size for you [8|]


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However for those looking for serious research into the prevalence and experience of people who indulge in BDSM with consenting adults, there is not very much around. And yet these practices seem quietly to be sneaking their way into our consciousness, with a growing stream of articles and documentaries which, while they are not serious academic work, are also not purely porn. The internet, TV and mainstream magazines are providing media for people who are perfectly nice, and ordinary (whatever that means) to reveal that they get off on BDSM activities. In these articles and TV shows, participants generally dont seem to feel theres anything wrong with them, or that they have anything to apologise for about their sexual practices. Having said that, most BDSM-ers feel uncertain about how they might be judged for their activities by, say, employers, friends, health professionals and family. In effect, then, it seems many BDSM-ers think of themselves as not sick, but as having a different sexual orientation.
If we think of BDSM as a sexual orientation then what are the implications of this? The following is a rough list.

People cannot be counselled or otherwise treated out of being into BDSM
People should not be discriminated against for being into BDSM

People are not in some way ill if they are into BDSM
People are not in some way bad if they are into BDSM

Those who do see BDSM as a form of sickness can still find support in the DSM, where activities involving, for example the suffering or humiliation of oneself or ones partner are classified as a paraphilia: a form of mental disorder. But this is a grey area because there is a systematic ambiguity about whether suffering or humiliation within a mutually consensual roleplay situation is what is meant here. The BDSM players who are on our TV screens, or internet sites, or who are running businesses around BDSM are talking about exactly this mutually consensual game, as opposed to real, non-consensual torture or humiliation.

For therapists who may encounter clients who present with BDSM-related issues, I invite you to consider the bullet points above, and to see if any of these statements conflicts with attitudes you may have held about BDSM. I invite you to entertain the idea of BDSM as a sexual orientation.


source:

http://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/counselloradvice10076.html





tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:21:37 PM)

Jackassedness?  My new favorite word.  [;)]

Of course being one means that it must be spread amonst the masses.  We being the masses.  Sorry, no trauma in my childhood, but I'm still submissive.  Mental health issues?  Yup.  But it still doesn't take away from the fact that I'm submissive to the very core of my being. 

Spent 3 yrs in psycho-therapy with a jewel of a man  who was in his 60's, orthodox Jewish, had never heard of BDSM or D/s and I did all the educating.  He was fascinated by that facet of my life and the Lifestyle itself.  He learned something new and was quite thrilled.  He made no judgement, as this was in his job description, and never put me down or tried to change my mind.  The sign of an excellent psycho-therapist. 

So please don't tell me you're even thinking of entering the world of psycho-therapy, counselling of any type or are going to be in contact with any actual patients.  THAT just scares the hell out of me.  You can do so much damage and you don't even realize it.  Or maybe you do, and don't care.  

I had the misfortune of running into 2 psychiatrists who did more damage than good.  To this day I wouldn't trust a psychiatrist as far as I could throw one, and I couldn't pick one up to throw.   




allnewtome -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:25:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: steve2011



People with bdsm desries are people who are suffering with emotional trauma.

Anyway, I wish you luck whatever path you choose.



I think you'll find us poor emotionally traumatised souls are happier and more content than you will ever be.
We know who we are.
We know what we are.
We know what makes us tick.

Maybe you should do proper research into what it really means to be submissive or Dominant.
If you do that you will then be able to accept what you are.
Acceptance is the key to freeing your soul and being truly happy.

I wish you luck in your future. As previously said, something brought you here. I have a feeling you will keep coming back until you accept you.




allnewtome -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:27:31 PM)

Either that or you really are just a troll [:D]




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:32:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: poise


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ORIGINAL: myotherself

is it possible to fap and giggle at the same time?!
I'm sure he'd allow it. [;)]

Poise, I thinks I loves you [:D]
*smooches*



Dat's why I love my Sweetpea, she's just a loveable and helpful Poise. [:)]




LadyPact -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:35:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011
Now if you don't agree with that, that's fine by me, I wouldn't force my opinion on anyone, however, i do strongly feel there is a reason behind why every person is on this site, most will dismiss me or become abusive when I speak up about, on the forum for example, the same why that if I went into a pub at 11am on a tuesday morning and told most people they had a drink problem, they would do the same, but even so I would be right.



Anyway, I wish you luck whatever path you choose.


Holy revelation, Batman!  He finally got something right.

Every person is on this site for a reason.  You're on the site for a reason, yes?  While it may be a misguided reason, you still have one.

Here's Mine.

Beating people with their consent is fun for sadists.  I like talking about it with other people who enjoy it.

It occurs to Me that for all of the attempts that you have tried to make about your position as a "therapist", you are skipping something that must have missed you in your education.  It's the definition of insanity.  "Doing the same thing over and over again (i.e. your posting) and expecting a different result."

Anybody else remember the guy from a couple of years back who ran this same tired line?  I'm thinking it's just a screen name change.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:35:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear



So please don't tell me you're even thinking of entering the world of psycho-therapy, counselling of any type or are going to be in contact with any actual patients.  THAT just scares the hell out of me.  You can do so much damage and you don't even realize it.  Or maybe you do, and don't care.  



I don't think there is much danger of that, he's got to get a degree first and they don't hand them out like candy on Halloween....




Rule -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:36:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyml
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ORIGINAL: steve2011
Did you know for example most submissive males who enter therapy for out that their root cause was an over bearing mother, that's not always the case but usually when you scratch beneath the surface you'll find that's the case.


When one looks for a Roman coin and scratches the surface, one will find a Roman coin, even when no Romans ever were at that location. What one fails to see, are all the other non-Roman coins that were thrown aside whilst scratching; that selective blindness is the consequence of obsessively looking for what one expects.




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:36:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: allnewtome

Either that or you really are just a troll [:D]

DING DING DING....Methinks we haz a winner!!!!!

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