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mnottertail -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:42:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: steve2011

Evening all.

People with bdsm desries are people who are suffering with emotional trauma.


so you say, an invalid opinion that has not a whit of fact to back it.

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That may sound harsh and it isn't intended as an insult but it's just how it is.


the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, thats just how that is, but not how this is.

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From my experience they would have 3 options.

you haven't any experience to base it on.  (someone with experience might say 12 or more options).

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Did you know for example most submissive males who enter therapy for out that their root cause was an over bearing mother, that's not always the case but usually when you scratch beneath the surface you'll find that's the case.


First of all, lets mark this as Exhibit A and we will correlate this with Exhibit A' which leads us to your real issue with your self.

Secondly, you haven't any fact to back this either.

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Option 1 would be to repress those feelings which isn't healthy, if she has done this all her childhood then it will come out in the form of an addiction or an anxiety, such as drink etc or even


Oh, I drink for alot of reasons, none of which repress shit.
The above quote is labeled Exhibit A'
So, you have fantasies of being female (little closet panties action, and maybe sucking on a cock or two, maybe some more) and repressing it, you have addicted yourself to saying really stupid shit in as inappropriate a manner as possible, and perhaps you drink overmuch as well.

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Option 2 would be to act them out in an unhealthy way such as bdsm ( i've no desire to offend you but that's a strong opinion of mine).


I've no desire to offend you, but you are as full of shit as a christmas goose.

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Option 3 and in my opinion the healthiest would be to talk about these feelings with a therapist and deal with them in a healthy and safe manner.


I will see and talk to the cunt and healthily kick the shit outta her and make her safely suck my dick. 

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Now if you don't agree with that, that's fine by me, I wouldn't force my opinion on anyone, however, i do strongly feel there is a reason behind why every person is on this site, most will dismiss me or become abusive when I speak up about, on the forum for example, the same why that if I went into a pub at 11am on a tuesday morning and told most people they had a drink problem, they would do the same, but even so I would be right.


If I walked into your house and said you were a fuckhead, and a great many tell you so, and you keep blathering on, but even so, they are right.

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Anyway, I wish you luck whatever path you choose.



I am a fellow with some hellava fine prospects, and thanks.



TNDommeK -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 1:52:36 PM)

I like what you said MisterMonster....about do you want to live or exist.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 2:01:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: steve2011

Many strong independent women secretly desire to be tamed by a strong man. As much as feminism tries it can;t reverse nature.

I am not making assumptions but you can also be one of those nasty cold women who has no respect for men but thinks she is strong and independent. Most strong men with self respect stay away from those types. To me the strongest women I know are also the nicest and kindest. They are strong because they are secure enough in themselves to not have to bring themselves up by bringing men down.

As for the tragic events, i'm doing a phd in pshychology, i guess that is tragic for some people but I enjoy it.


Are you actually believing that yourself?????

Apart from your ridiculous claims that you are "doing" a PhD in "pshychology" - one would assume somebody would know how to spell the subject they are supposed to be studying, especially for an advanced degree....

Now apart from your personal delusions that you are a student of psychology, where on earth does it say that people practising BDSM can't be nice?

Where on earth did you come up with the idea that a strong and independent woman has no respect for men? Ooops, in your personal fucked up world a woman only thinks she's strong and independent. You know BDSM is a sexual preference and that everything we do is consensual, surely I don't have to spell out consensual to a wannabe psychology student...

The strongest woman you know is possibly your mother, because she still lets you live with her and feeds you.



kalikshama -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 2:20:09 PM)

/Skips off to look for poise in creative writings/
/Finds two hits!!!/
/Realizes they are merely responses/
/Haz a sad/


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ORIGINAL: poise

I can just see you now Steve, when and if you ever become intimate with a woman.
You're going to feel this incessant need to want to grab her by the back of her head
and force her to take every swollen inch of you into her warm and inviting mouth.
And when she's done and you find that you are still raging hard, you are gonna position her on
all fours and you're going to be faced with this overwhelming urge to slap her ass.
Not just pat it nice-nice, but spank it so hard that she'll be wearing your mark for days to come.
And when you finally make your entrance, you're going to feel it just isnt enough to quench that
aching thirst in you, so you grab her hair in your fist and you pull back on her head until your mouth
is so close to her ear that she can feel the heat of your breath. And you'll growl "Mine, you are all mine!"

Oh wait...wrong scenario. You'll stick it in, hump a few times, and thank the heavens above
that you found a woman grateful enough for your attempt to please her.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 2:29:17 PM)

Fast reply.  I only made it through about 75% of the thread before multiple hard facepalm moments made it too dangerous to continue without a plastic surgeon readily available.

From an academic viewpoint, the OP's argument is utterly deficient.  Were I his advisor, I would be strongly suggesting that he needed a firmer grasp on the academic process before continuing his education, and recommending he repeat some preparatory classes that would help him understand the basics of good data collection and research.  Scientific method is absent.  Citations and references are absent in the face of unsupported claims and conclusions that are contradicted by extant data which is easily available with minimal research.  This is bad science and poor scholarship, and there is no excuse for it in someone who says he is an academic.

The only conclusion I can reach is that the OP has personal or emotional reasons to hold these views.  They are not supported by the currently available data from either the psychological or sociological field. 

As a scientist, I have absolutely no problem rationally exploring the question as to whether BDSM may be abusive, under what circumstances it may be abusive, and the likely demographics for abuse to occur.  The key word here is rational, and the arguments so far presented here do not come anywhere near to meeting this criteria.  Nor do they have any supporting data, as the OP has utterly failed to provide any.  For someone who claims to be an academic, this is a notable failure.

Cite peer reviewed journals and proper scientific method of inquiry, or go home and learn how to actually be an academic before making such claims.  Rightfully or wrongfully, you may be concerned about consenting adults abusing one another with kink.  I am concerned about idiots abusing science with stupidity.  You have the right to feel any way you feel about the topic, but you don't get to claim that your feelings are science.  They aren't.


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Rule -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 2:42:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
you don't get to claim that your feelings are science.  They aren't.

Quite.

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
Were I his advisor, I would be strongly suggesting that he needed a firmer grasp on the academic process before continuing his education, and recommending he repeat some preparatory classes that would help him understand the basics of good data collection and research.

You ought not to encourage him. He is not and will never be at academic level and he never will be a scientist.

Nor can he ever be a therapist or a teacher; he lacks the innate competency and would endanger everyone in his sphere of influence.




Phoenixpower -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 2:56:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: steve2011
Now if you don't agree with that, that's fine by me, I wouldn't force my opinion on anyone, however, i do strongly feel there is a reason behind why every person is on this site, most will dismiss me or become abusive when I speak up about, on the forum for example, the same why that if I went into a pub at 11am on a tuesday morning and told most people they had a drink problem, they would do the same, but even so I would be right.



Anyway, I wish you luck whatever path you choose.


Holy revelation, Batman!  He finally got something right.

Every person is on this site for a reason.  You're on the site for a reason, yes?  While it may be a misguided reason, you still have one.



And just to educate you in your favourite subject of you phantasy Mr. troll..."every behaviour makes also sense"...thats what I was taught from a teacher in my 2nd profession who is very good in APPLYING psychology and was also part of my degree, which I actually do have...not that I expect you to have any idea what that means, nor the ability to apply it, but its a pretty good technique ....at least, when used by people who have actually a clue, what they are talking about [:D]



agirl -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 3:34:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am a fellow with some hellava fine prospects, and thanks.



nods.........Yeppers, certainly looks that way.

Let's face it, you're fixated on a good pair of lips around your dick. That appears to be a pretty good prospect all round. :)

agirl











Prinsexx -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 3:53:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

Cite peer reviewed journals and proper scientific method of inquiry, or go home and learn how to actually be an academic before making such claims.  Rightfully or wrongfully, you may be concerned about consenting adults abusing one another with kink.  I am concerned about idiots abusing science with stupidity.  You have the right to feel any way you feel about the topic, but you don't get to claim that your feelings are science.  They aren't.



Here here.
And what is it with the hypothetico deductive so-called scientific method anyway?
Any one who is actually seriously within the scientific community knows that science never did, and never will PROVE anything. Only that certain phenomena happen more (or less) than they would by chance at a certain level of probability under a controlled set of conditions.
That one can uphold or reject one of a pair of hypotheses means what? Simply that one can uphold or reject one of a pair of hypotheses.
Now talk to me about my experiences...talk to me about my feelings and you'll get my attention. I'm not that insistent that my feelings prove anything either to be honest but I'd rather bake a cake and eat a cake than publish a PhD about the menu.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 5:22:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx


Any one who is actually seriously within the scientific community knows that science never did, and never will PROVE anything. Only that certain phenomena happen more (or less) than they would by chance at a certain level of probability under a controlled set of conditions.

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Oh dear, and there was me and almost the rest of the world thinking the Daubert test has actually merits and value...

(1) That the theory is testable (has it been tested?)
(2) That the theory has been peer reviewed, (Peer reviewing usually reduces the chances of error in the theory)
(3) The reliability and error rate (100% reliability and zero error are not required, but the rates must be reported)
(4) The extent of general acceptance by the scientific community

I would think science has proved quite a few things, like if you expose cells to radiation it will lead to cell damage, which in turn lead to chemo...

Just one example of how science works, or how certain drugs have certain effects, it doesn't say it is always 100% but if somebody gives me a chance higher than 50% or else I'm going to push daisies, I'd be a damned idiot to not take that chance. If you think that it doesn't prove anything, up to you, but I prefer to trust more in science than in prayer...



coookie -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/13/2011 6:51:09 PM)

steve if you are unable to speak academically about a subject then do not bring up academics. You can simply state that bdsm is wrong in your opinion and that is okay for that to be your opinion. Unless you are able to substantiate your argument farther, take your ass out of the sandbox sunshine.



Awareness -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 3:27:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Christ.  If there's one constant in the universe, it's people's absolute obsession with feeding the trolls.  Give it a fucking rest.

I'm not feeding it.  I'm poking it with sticks.  Can't you tell the difference?  [sm=stickineye.gif]

  This is your mistake.  A troll feeds on attention.  By responding, you give it attention - and thus, you feed it.

Part of the problem here is that people haven't progressed to the point where they dismiss idiotic opinions as irrelevant.  They feel compelled to respond and that lack of discipline becomes a lever by which they're manipulated.

Thus endeth the lesson.



Awareness -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 3:31:33 AM)

  Oh for fuck's sake - Dear God, you people are dim.

A troll's purpose is not to make sense.  A troll's sole purpose is to WIND YOU UP.  Something which he/she/they are accomplishing.

In all probability this account is shared between multiple people and they're killing themselves laughing at how easily they can cause you to froth at the mouth.

The so-called dominants amongst you should be particularly ashamed.  Your lack of security in your own reality betrays you.



VaguelyCurious -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 3:36:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

A troll's purpose is not to make sense.  A troll's sole purpose is to WIND YOU UP. 

Again: irony troll is ironic.

How many times are you going to repeat the same post, Awareness? I've got to admit, your irritation is pretty entertaining. We heard you the first time you said it, we just...dismissed your opinion as idiotic and thus irrelevant.



GreedyTop -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 4:32:02 AM)

not to mention, trollish, VC :)



allnewtome -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 5:26:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Oh for fuck's sake - Dear God, you people are dim.

A troll's purpose is not to make sense.  A troll's sole purpose is to WIND YOU UP.  Something which he/she/they are accomplishing.

In all probability this account is shared between multiple people and they're killing themselves laughing at how easily they can cause you to froth at the mouth.

The so-called dominants amongst you should be particularly ashamed.  Your lack of security in your own reality betrays you.



Ah but you never know, we might even educate the troll/s [:D] 
Highly unlikely but stranger things have happened

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Awareness -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 5:39:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

A troll's purpose is not to make sense.  A troll's sole purpose is to WIND YOU UP. 

Again: irony troll is ironic.

How many times are you going to repeat the same post, Awareness? I've got to admit, your irritation is pretty entertaining. We heard you the first time you said it, we just...dismissed your opinion as idiotic and thus irrelevant.
  Stupid poster is stupid.

I'm find stupid people irritating.  On the whole, I'm immensely irritated by the stupidity of the average human being.  You've managed to distinguish yourself by demonstrating your idiocy, in public, without an appreciation of the irony that implies.

Congratulations on the scale of your epic fail.  If Guiness cared, they would no doubt award you a record.



Twoshoes -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 8:11:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
I'm find stupid people irritating.  On the whole, I'm immensely irritated by the stupidity of the average human being.  You've managed to distinguish yourself by demonstrating your idiocy, in public, without an appreciation of the irony that implies.


How can "distinguishing oneself by demonstrating idiocy" imply irony?



VaguelyCurious -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 8:44:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

How can "distinguishing oneself by demonstrating idiocy" imply irony?

I think he means because I called his suggestions about trolls idiotic.

So his post called my post irritating, idiotic and ironic (in the cosmic sense) for calling his previous post idiotic in an ironic sense (well, technically in a sarcastic sense, but this sentence flows better if we pretend they're the same thing) and talking about the irony of a troll's irritation that other are posters discarding his opinion that a different troll's opinions should be discarded because said different troll's posts are 'obviously idiotic'.

Hope that was clearer [8D]



Phoenixpower -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (1/14/2011 8:49:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Christ.  If there's one constant in the universe, it's people's absolute obsession with feeding the trolls.  Give it a fucking rest.

I'm not feeding it.  I'm poking it with sticks.  Can't you tell the difference?  [sm=stickineye.gif]

  This is your mistake.  A troll feeds on attention.  By responding, you give it attention - and thus, you feed it.

Part of the problem here is that people haven't progressed to the point where they dismiss idiotic opinions as irrelevant.


This ain't a fact, this is purely your assumption about the posters...[8|]

Some of us enjoy the stick games from time to time and have the luxury to do so....that doesn't mean that we didn't get it that we feed that troll[8|]

Nothing wrong with enjoying some entertainment sometimes in life [8|] after all...Holly isn't always available to take our sticks, so we need other folks sometimes [:)]



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