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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 9:43:48 AM

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Picking brains and getting perspectives is one thing, Tazzy. Having a previous President come to that microphone to clean up his mess just looks weak, and maybe a little bit gunshy.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 9:45:59 AM

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"maybe a little bit gunshy."

Shit. Gunshy. How about "wordshy"?

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 9:59:01 AM

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Well, consistent you are, even if it means finding new appreciation for president Clinton. I don't much care for Obama at present, simply because he has acquiesced so readily to the powerless, illegitimate, figurehead the Republicans set out to make him. My impression, is that he needed the impromptu conference to appease the Democrats who want to skin him alive, and why stand around longer than one is needed or wanted.

I haven't been around a while, and beg your pardon, if wrong, but as I recall, and in my impression, you never thought the Harvard law professor could do anything, but a buffoon. M

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 10:03:41 AM

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Well, consistent you are, even if it means finding new appreciation for president Clinton. I don't much care for Obama at present, simply because he has acquiesced so readily to the powerless, illegitimate, figurehead the Republicans set out to make him. My impression, is that he needed the impromptu conference to appease the Democrats who want to skin him alive, and why stand around longer than one is needed or wanted.

I haven't been around a while, and beg your pardon, if wrong, but as I recall, and in my impression, you never thought the Harvard law professor could do anything, but a buffoon. M

No, you are confusing me with someone else, I believe.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 10:08:19 AM

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Oh heaven forbid! He called it a "Christmas" party.

Heaven???

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 10:28:31 AM

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what did you think of his screed about " some say it's unwise to negotiate with hostage-takers... unless the hostage is being harmed"? (That's from memory, but it's close. I suspect you heard/saw it). I thought it was flabbergastingly stupid. Wonder how many terrorists are looking for hostages?

He did step on his boy-bits with that comment, didn't he? I hate to think how over the top his demonization rhetoric is going to get as we move towards him having to deal with a Republican controlled House, and the '12 campaign.

Two for one.

Truck, I imagine there are a few somalians that are not looking for them from this fuckin country.

Rich, I don't think if unintended consequences is a reality that any republicans much will be worrisome, I think just like they traded out bluedog democrats this round, those boys are headed for the refuse pile in 2012. Just revolving doors on the nowheres villes.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 10:30:27 AM

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Oh heaven forbid! He called it a "Christmas" party.

Heaven???

Yes, heaven. You have heard of "expressions" before, yes?

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 10:54:59 AM

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"Truck, I imagine there are a few somalians that are not looking for them from this fuckin country. "

Which is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that 0bama0 gave reason for Al Queda to discuss, say,: " What would this spineless infidel do if we took over the American Embassy in Soalia and sent a few infidels to Allah by cutting off their heads on the internet?" And reason for Muhammed Mohammed Hussein Muhammed to wonder what concessions he could get if he persuauded a few of his homeboys at the WTC Victory Mosque to take a grade school hostage and... you got it... send a few young infidels to Allah by cutting off their heads on the internet. Slowly.

His statements were an invitation to our enemies to take hostages and engage him as he negotiates from a position of apology.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 11:07:45 AM

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I, personally, have no problem with a leader facing a problem and looking for brains to pick who have "been there, done that".

Neither do I. However, sometimes Marshall McLuhan's "The medium is the message" needs to be considered.

It is apparent that this event was an unscripted, seat-of-the-pants event, conceived of during their 90 minute talk just prior to the event.

Again, no problem with that, other than combined with the execution (primarily by Obama's giving Clinton the "control" of the message) and absenting himself from the event. This seems to reinforce some of the claims of Obama's tendency to vote "present": an propensity to avoid direct responsibility. This propensity was also seen in how Obama basically turned over the responsibility of directly drafting laws to advance his agenda to his Congressional supporters.

Again, you can make the argument that this only makes sense, but it seems to be a pattern, and a pattern that can be argued isn't one that we wish our President to have.

As well, he left because (apparently) he didn't want "to make his wife mad" by his absence. Now, I love my wife, and I do not wish to make her mad, either. But as an American citizen, when his responsibilities to the citizens of the country are weighted against the desires of his wife: I want the wife to lose. He belongs to the American people first, while he holds the office. I have not offered criticism to him other times when it seemed that he had placed his wife above his duties, because it can sometimes be debated either way. But he does seem to do this much more than I would consider "responsible" in the world's most powerful leader.

Another reason that I believe it wasn't prudent to simply absent himself is that it makes him appear weak in planning department, and in anticipating how his actions may be seen by others: a poor sense of the the affects of his actions in other words. Not very political astute, and a bit "tone deaf" to political realities. Clinton, on the other hand, was and is a master in these two areas.

Dunno. Perhaps we see what our positions and biases lead us to believe, but I'm not sure that this event will be overall helpful to Obama's future or his creditability.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 11:43:58 AM

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What is relevant is that 0bama0 gave reason for Al Queda to discuss, say,: " What would this spineless infidel do if we took over the American Embassy in Soalia and sent a few infidels to Allah by cutting off their heads on the internet?" And reason for Muhammed Mohammed Hussein Muhammed to wonder what concessions he could get if he persuauded a few of his homeboys at the WTC Victory Mosque to take a grade school hostage and... you got it... send a few young infidels to Allah by cutting off their heads on the internet. Slowly.

His statements were an invitation to our enemies to take hostages and engage him as he negotiates from a position of apology.

Hmmm............so we need tough talk.

The Cowboy-in-Chief said "bring 'em on."

Here's his position of strength that you seem to like so much.

President George W. Bush Says "Bring 'em on"

How well did that work for us?

How many heads were cut off during the Bush administration?

Do the names Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg bring anything to mind?

How about the burned, mutilated bodies of Blackwater contractors hanging off a bridge in Fallujah?

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 11:50:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

What is relevant is that 0bama0 gave reason for Al Queda to discuss, say,: " What would this spineless infidel do if we took over the American Embassy in Soalia and sent a few infidels to Allah by cutting off their heads on the internet?" And reason for Muhammed Mohammed Hussein Muhammed to wonder what concessions he could get if he persuauded a few of his homeboys at the WTC Victory Mosque to take a grade school hostage and... you got it... send a few young infidels to Allah by cutting off their heads on the internet. Slowly.

His statements were an invitation to our enemies to take hostages and engage him as he negotiates from a position of apology.

Hmmm............so we need tough talk.

The Cowboy-in-Chief said "bring 'em on."

Here's his position of strength that you seem to like so much.

President George W. Bush Says "Bring 'em on"

How well did that work for us?

How many heads were cut off during the Bush administration?

Do the names Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg bring anything to mind?

How about the burned, mutilated bodies of Blackwater contractors hanging off a bridge in Fallujah?

So, if they were willing do those things when there is an obviously "strong" President at the helm, ready and willing to take the battle to them, do you think it would be better or worse when they perceive the President as weak, vacillating and apologetic?

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 11:53:16 AM

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"Hmmm............so we need tough talk."

We need someone who does not voluntarily, spontaneously say he is open to negotiating with terrorists if they harm hostages.

Our Presidents have throughout our history "talked tough" to prepare the citizenry for war. You are aware more men are dying in Afghanistan under 0bama0 than under Bush?

I completely disagree with our strategy in Afghanistan, but I cannot bring myself completely to blame Obama0, btw. Our strategy there is a result of weak thinking throughout our culture, including the military.

A free clue: Booosh!!!!! Booooosh!!!! Evil evil Boooooosh!!!!! is not an intelligent affirmative defense of 0bama0. Not now.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 11:54:26 AM

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So, if they were willing do those things when there is an obviously "strong" President at the helm, ready and willing to take the battle to them, do you think it would be better or worse when they perceive the President as weak, vacillating and apologetic?
Firm

Yes I can't wait for the next beheadings to prove the west has strong leadership.

The number of beheadings per month is the best opinion poll on strong leadership.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 11:55:20 AM

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So, if they were willing do those things when there is an obviously "strong" President at the helm, ready and willing to take the battle to them, do you think it would be better or worse when they perceive the President as weak, vacillating and apologetic?

That would be assuming they share your obviously partisan perceptions.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 11:57:42 AM

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Like it or not, there is now an easy way to pool the blood of American hostages at 0bama0s feet.
That way will be taken if, God forbid, the terrorists act on his invitation to negotiations.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 11:59:52 AM

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You have to separate the Taliban from the terrorists and stop insisting that every enemy you've ever had is a terrorist.

People join the Taliban for all kinds of reasons, some of which boil down to simple economics.

You aren't going to annihilate your way to victory. In every war there has ultimately at some point been negotiation. I believe humans talking is better than humans killing, I'm old fashioned like that.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 12:16:17 PM

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We need someone who does not voluntarily, spontaneously say he is open to negotiating with terrorists if they harm hostages.

You guys honestly crack me up.

I really can't take this discussion seriously.

After the Seals rescued the captain of the Maersk Alabama nearly every conservative on this board was criticizing Obama for assassinating those poor, helpless teenagers.

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Our Presidents have throughout our history "talked tough" to prepare the citizenry for war. You are aware more men are dying in Afghanistan under 0bama0 than under Bush?

I completely disagree with our strategy in Afghanistan, but I cannot bring myself completely to blame Obama0, btw. Our strategy there is a result of weak thinking throughout our culture, including the military.

You shouldn't be disagreeing with it at all if you supported the surge in Iraq, a country we never should have been in.

We wouldn't have more dying in Afghanistan now if Bush and Rumsfeld had committed the troops that were necessary from the start instead of diverting the focus to Iraq.

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A free clue: Booosh!!!!! Booooosh!!!! Evil evil Boooooosh!!!!! is not an intelligent affirmative defense of 0bama0. Not now.

Well thank you, clues are always helpful.

Let me return the favor.

That was a comparison to show you that Bush's tough talk didn't work either.

Now I know you conservatives are embarrassed by Bush and I feel your pain, but it's a little ridiculous that you expect him not to be talked about when we are still dealing with many of his policies.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 12:34:28 PM

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" In every war there has ultimately at some point been negotiation."

I am sure that is untrue, but what is easily apparent is that most wars have been ended by surrender under terms dictated by the victors. Those terms may or may not have included the most meaningless and perfunctory of negotiations.... but the idea that you cannot kill (I assume "annihilate" was your little euphemism) your way to victory, however pleasant and sweet it may be, is both weak and false.

Of course talking is better. But Islam wants its worldwide caliphate....
And I don't.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 12:37:39 PM

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"After the Seals rescued the captain of the Maersk Alabama nearly every conservative on this board was criticizing Obama for assassinating those poor, helpless teenagers."

Back that up.Please.
Start with me, pls. Find, what.... 6 more? 5? 2?
However many you think "nearly every" means.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Clinton-Obama Impromptu Press Conference - 12/11/2010 12:41:57 PM

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"You shouldn't be disagreeing with it at all if you supported the surge in Iraq, a country we never should have been in."

I invite you to try to find my support for nation-building anywhere.
Islam is incompatible with democracy.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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