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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 8:07:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

As usual virtually the only messages Akasha replies to are anything to do with pro-dommes, money and how she is "real" and few others are. Yet she is also one who makes money from this. One can only surmise that this hostile attitude is pure jealousy as other "money dommes" are making more than her or getting more action, or both. What IS your obsession with money and prodommes? Its all you talk about and for the most part the only messages you reply to.

I like Aakasha and don't quite see her as this limited, but she does have a know-it-all streak and she does tend to project her own irritations and frustrations onto others. She will generalize about male subs. She will generalize about men. She will make unfounded accusations (she'll throw out her own hypothesis of someone, which might be dead wrong, and act very confident about it) without being very conciliatory....

All that said, she usually argues a very good case --- whether one agrees or disagrees with it --- and her core philosophy is that people seeking a BDSM mate should play to their own personal strengths when trying to establish a connection to a Domme or a sub --- to keep things real and personal --- to pay attention to "what is" as opposed to being guided by Kink fantasy, BDSM ideology, or counter productive frustrations. In this sense, I think she makes a positive contribution to the BOARDS.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 8:18:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: vampir2124

thanks for the various messages sent back, just to summarise i havent paid anything as this is clearly not what i want, and from above most of you seem to agree, i have been looking into local muches and there seems to be one about 30 miles from where i am so i will pop down next time there is a meeting.

I have contacted a lot of people on here, half of which havent had photos, in fairness if i just wanted to get hard id go watch a film or something or go out to a club and pull a girl. But again that isnt what i want.

Thanks again, it has made me think more about what i want.

Just some unsolisted advice about attending a munch.

The first time will likely be awkward for you. Munches are easy places for friends to meet and chat -- you can become friends with people there but it will take repeated visits and being yourself many, many times.

While ideally a munch is supposed to be welcoming for anyone whose found out about it on the Internet, small clinques will happen -- I think it might be part of human nature.

It is very easy to attend one, feel so alone at it and so out of place that one gives up.

Don't!

Keep going, talk to folks, ease into and become a regular. That is when the munch starts to become fun and entertaining and you might also start meeting folks for more than just friendship.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 8:19:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

The simple fact is that new subs on collarme make one or both of these mistakes:

1. They write a fetishy, fantasy filled profile that screams desperation and the pro femdoms flock to those subs because their profile reads like a "wish list" and wish lists are easy to accommodate. They come across as needy subs that really have no clue -- easy pickins for women who want to shake down a guy for cash.

2. They search the profiles and get erect and start writing to the women with the hot photos, sexily written profiles, who list out all the fetishy, nasty acts they want to do. These "personals" read like "a dream come true" because they are written to get a man's dick hard so he writes and is ready to open his wallet. These subs skip over the plain jane profiles of normal looking women who write sensible profiles that are not about fucking them in the ass, sitting on their face or locking up their dick.

Of course the reason would never be a plain and simple shortage of FEMDOMs, would it?

Malesubs have to deal with a skewed BDSM market. Dealing with this is no easy or straightforward task. The abundance of prodoms merely piles onto this realization, especially when they so populate a personals site. So, the OP's reaction is perfectly natural, and its the driving reason why this thread theme is so recurring.

In the State of Delaware there are six (6) FEMDOMS at or under the weight of 180llbs. Five of them are non pros and one is a pro.

In the same state there are thirty one (31) MALESUBS under 220llbs.

This equates to about a five (5) to one (1) ratio of FEMDOMS to MALESUBS.

As for another example, Mistress Hathor has said she interviewed over 200 potential malesub applicants when searching for her boy. A malesub would be lucky to get just a simple rapport going with 200 FEMDOMS while expecting/hoping for nothing at all, and it would take him YEARS to hit a figure as high as 200 people.

These numbers explain the abundance of PRODOMS and they also explain the frustration of MALESUBS. Other states of course will bring back different results, but the numbers will still reflect the same findings one discovers in Delaware.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 10:01:59 AM

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What does weight have to do with it, cloudboy?

Is that just a personal preference thing?

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 11:18:49 AM

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Normally I don't chime into discussions about "pay" or "tribute". I have decided to put in My two cents worth because I do ask for a small tribute for training sub and slaves. Keyword here... I ask for tribute, I don't demand it or request it. It is a sub/slave's choice on whether he wants to train with Me. The reason that I ask for tribute is not due to the fact that I don't have a job outside My home.. I do have a career, which I love and has nothing to do with BDSM (and it pays well). However, My career, submissive husband, lover, pets, friends and family keep Me fairly busy... I ask for tribute because I have several things going on in My life and I don't want to waste My time on a male that just wants to see Me for a training session in order to get his rocks off. If that is what a male wants he can either go see a prostitute or use his hand.... I have no time for this kind of behavior.

Tribute for Me represents how serious a sub/slave is. I only ask for tribute in the beginning of working with a male too... after I have seen him multiple times, I stop asking for tribute altogether. If I find a male is truly serious about training with Me and sticks with Me for some time, tribute is not an issue. However, I do ask for it in the beginning. I have found from experience that by not asking for a small tribute in the beginning I end up wasting My time on game players and wannabes. I just don't have the time or patience for that.

I am not a Pro-Domme, nor am I a prostitute (I have a submissive husband and a lover if I crave anything sexual). The tribute I ask for is paltry... for 1 to 2 hours it is 50 euros.

In no way do I advocate a male going to see a Domme that is "pay" or non-pay"... it is the choice of the male on who he wants to work with. The males I work with have no issues with what I ask for. If they did, they would not choose to train with Me.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 12:00:05 PM

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MsMacComb,

You obviously don't know AAkasha. Like a lot of lifestylers, she did eventually branch out into pro domming to some extent. Got a news flash from the real world for ya: it costs money to maintain a femdom website that gets that many hits, and she ate the cost for years. But she was a lifestyler first and foremost, and still is.

You're missing her obvious point. Pros who come on board services like Collarme, whether "stealth" or not, **deliberately write their profiles for shallow sex appeal**. Sometimes they'll use sexy photos that aren't even of themselves, because a cyberscammer is never going to meet anyone in real life. A real woman may well be a plain Jane, not a glamour queen or a porn star. And they'll be presenting themselves with reasonable honesty (one hopes) because they do intend to meet in real life, and to relax as a real person with the partners they meet. Me, I'm one of those plain Janes. AAkasha is quite the looker, and I'm not surprised that she inspires a lot of jealousy.

PS - nice pay website you're advertising in your sig. Do our palates detect a hint of sour grapes perhaps?

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 12:43:04 PM

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Another plain Jane chiming in here, I did not read aakashas post the way others did, I thought it was simply informative and represented a differing POV.

As has been said, you can find anything you are looking for, but you have to really look, you are really young, and I think you should know to find what you are seeking, self awareness, persistance and patience are the operative words here.

self awareness please know who you are, and why you wish to serve, read lots, talk lots, not just the sexy stuff, but try to find leather sites, learn history, protocols, the mental, emotional, and spiritual aspects of your journey

persistence you must pursue what you want, it shows dedication and as others have said there is a glut on the market of boys.

patience there will so many times that you will not get what you want when you want it, this is a very good lesson to begin to adapt to before you find your one, because you will be so much more attactive to her when you do.

A slave that looks at his search, and what could be a lifetime placement, with these main tenets of focus, not only eventually finds what he is looking for, but through strengthening these attributes he makes himself more desirable, then all others in the que.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 12:49:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: givemyall
Ooooh I think I will become a pro-sub..... I'll bend over and you can blow as much smoke up my ass as you want - for a price of course lol.... I would have said that I was laughing my ass off - but with all the smoke up there, I could get charged with polluting the atmostphere.

You do realize, that has got to be *somebody's* fetish.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 2:07:15 PM

MsMacComb

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

MsMacComb,

You obviously don't know AAkasha. Like a lot of lifestylers, she did eventually branch out into pro domming to some extent. Got a news flash from the real world for ya: it costs money to maintain a femdom website that gets that many hits, and she ate the cost for years. But she was a lifestyler first and foremost, and still is.

You're missing her obvious point. Pros who come on board services like Collarme, whether "stealth" or not, **deliberately write their profiles for shallow sex appeal**. Sometimes they'll use sexy photos that aren't even of themselves, because a cyberscammer is never going to meet anyone in real life. A real woman may well be a plain Jane, not a glamour queen or a porn star. And they'll be presenting themselves with reasonable honesty (one hopes) because they do intend to meet in real life, and to relax as a real person with the partners they meet. Me, I'm one of those plain Janes. AAkasha is quite the looker, and I'm not surprised that she inspires a lot of jealousy.

PS - nice pay website you're advertising in your sig. Do our palates detect a hint of sour grapes perhaps?

Oh my God you mean people might actually use someone elses photo and misrepresent it as themselves? Lol, good job Sherlock. I have no knowledge of your obviously healthy palate but you seem to be behind on a few things. Akahasa has railed for years against others that are prodommes or have websites all the while doing the SAME thing. That would be my whole point. Hypocrisy. I never denied having my two little hobby sites and am proud of them. Her point is to draw attention to herself so people will join her website so she will make money, the same as all the other "pros" to make money. If others can't see that thats not my problem.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 2:10:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
I forgot to mention the other scam artist type -- the femdom that is the "champion" of the poor, oppressed submissive and makes sure she tells them there is nothing wrong with their approach, no matter how crass it is. She makes sure she never offends any poor, helpless sub online, making sure he will go to her web site and pay for her brand of domination. You think she is dominating these guys for free?
I don't hide the fact that my site is a pay site (after being free ten years); but I don't come here and blow smoke up subs' asses just to win more subcriptions. You blow so much smoke up their asses it's hard to read your posts.
They can always visit below to also see your true colors:
http://www.collarchat.com/Why_So_Many_Dommes%2FDoms_Self_Esteem_Issues_%28Repost%29/m_334864/tm.htm
Akasha

Oh yes. I forgto about that thread. You never did answer the question did you? So whats your problem with someone "championing" for the poor, the oppressed and the submissive? Someone has to take a stand against the likes of you.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 2:17:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

quote:

ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

MsMacComb,

You obviously don't know AAkasha. Like a lot of lifestylers, she did eventually branch out into pro domming to some extent. Got a news flash from the real world for ya: it costs money to maintain a femdom website that gets that many hits, and she ate the cost for years. But she was a lifestyler first and foremost, and still is.

You're missing her obvious point. Pros who come on board services like Collarme, whether "stealth" or not, **deliberately write their profiles for shallow sex appeal**. Sometimes they'll use sexy photos that aren't even of themselves, because a cyberscammer is never going to meet anyone in real life. A real woman may well be a plain Jane, not a glamour queen or a porn star. And they'll be presenting themselves with reasonable honesty (one hopes) because they do intend to meet in real life, and to relax as a real person with the partners they meet. Me, I'm one of those plain Janes. AAkasha is quite the looker, and I'm not surprised that she inspires a lot of jealousy.

PS - nice pay website you're advertising in your sig. Do our palates detect a hint of sour grapes perhaps?

Oh my God you mean people might actually use someone elses photo and misrepresent it as themselves? Lol, good job Sherlock. I have no knowledge of your obviously healthy palate but you seem to be behind on a few things. Akahasa has railed for years against others that are prodommes or have websites all the while doing the SAME thing. That would be my whole point. Hypocrisy. I never denied having my two little hobby sites and am proud of them. Her point is to draw attention to herself so people will join her website so she will make money, the same as all the other "pros" to make money. If others can't see that thats not my problem.

I'm one of the most pro-positive women on this or any of the boards I have posted on for ten years and have never changed that position. What I do not support are women with pay sites that kiss ass on newsgroups in order to play mother hen to the submissives that are desperate and misguided rather than giving them a little "tough love" and having them re-think their approach.

My position on things here or anywhere else surely won't win me more subscriptions to my site; I could post ass-kissing, erotic and tantalizing threads until the cows come home. I'd rather post realistic opinions and let the non-fiction on my site speak for my character.

If I wanted to "draw" attention to my site, I'd kiss the ass of every sub with a misguided opinion who thinks his dream domina is just waiting for him to pop up. It's not worth my time, and it's not what my site is about.

If you think I am into posting here for cash, I'll remind you again my site was free from 1995 - 2005. I have a normal career that pays my bills.

Akasha

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 3:04:10 PM

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this is my leather family

can i be the rubber loving, black sheep, distant cousin of this family?

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 3:39:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb
Akahasa has railed for years against others that are prodommes or have websites all the while doing the SAME thing.

Horse puckey. Criticizing frauds, rip-off artists and scammers is not "railing against prodommes". Since the 1990's on Usenet, Akasha has been quite vocally pro-friendly, though like everyone else in the BDSM community, not hugely tolerant of spammers or bullshit artists.

quote:

That would be my whole point. Hypocrisy. I never denied having my two little hobby sites and am proud of them.

*snicker* Yes, the whole point does seem to be hypocrisy. If your position is that every domme who has a pay site is only posting to the boards to promote themselves, and they should consequently be run out of town on a rail covered with hot tar and chicken feathers, what exactly are you doing here? Other than perhaps looking for a unique spa treatment?

quote:

Her point is to draw attention to herself so people will join her website so she will make money, the same as all the other "pros" to make money. If others can't see that thats not my problem.

No. Posts like this are made with the point of drawing attention to a domme's pay-for-play website. "Hi, I'm a hot horny young domme ready for action, cum stroke it for your Mistress." Akasha makes intelligent, thought provoking comments that are not designed to attract the wankers. Instead she seems to have attracted some sour grape pickers. LOL

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 7:08:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyMedhbh

Normally I don't chime into discussions about "pay" or "tribute". I have decided to put in My two cents worth because I do ask for a small tribute for training sub and slaves. Keyword here... I ask for tribute, I don't demand it or request it. It is a sub/slave's choice on whether he wants to train with Me. The reason that I ask for tribute is not due to the fact that I don't have a job outside My home.. I do have a career, which I love and has nothing to do with BDSM (and it pays well). However, My career, submissive husband, lover, pets, friends and family keep Me fairly busy... I ask for tribute because I have several things going on in My life and I don't want to waste My time on a male that just wants to see Me for a training session in order to get his rocks off. If that is what a male wants he can either go see a prostitute or use his hand.... I have no time for this kind of behavior.

Tribute for Me represents how serious a sub/slave is. I only ask for tribute in the beginning of working with a male too... after I have seen him multiple times, I stop asking for tribute altogether. If I find a male is truly serious about training with Me and sticks with Me for some time, tribute is not an issue. However, I do ask for it in the beginning. I have found from experience that by not asking for a small tribute in the beginning I end up wasting My time on game players and wannabes. I just don't have the time or patience for that.

I am not a Pro-Domme, nor am I a prostitute (I have a submissive husband and a lover if I crave anything sexual). The tribute I ask for is paltry... for 1 to 2 hours it is 50 euros.

In no way do I advocate a male going to see a Domme that is "pay" or non-pay"... it is the choice of the male on who he wants to work with. The males I work with have no issues with what I ask for. If they did, they would not choose to train with Me.

I completely respect and appreciate the fact that you ask for tribute. You have the right to expect to be compensated for your time and energy, and you have the right to filter your subbies based on whether or not they are willing to contribute materially to your lifestyle and prove that they are serious by offering tribute.

You are certainly not a prostitute, but you are a pro domme. There is no shame in being a pro domme. It is a shame to deny that you are one when you do, in fact, ask for money in exchange for slave training.

Being a pro domme, even part time, is cool. And it's lots of fun. There is nothing at all wrong with it. It's a title that you can wear with pride. Nothing says that a pro domme can't also play privately and have personal slaves as well as clients. Sometimes clients end up becoming personal slaves. It's all good. The only thing that isn't good is denying what you are doing.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 7:50:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
I'm one of the most pro-positive women on this or any of the boards I have posted on for ten years and have never changed that position. What I do not support are women with pay sites that kiss ass on newsgroups in order to play mother hen to the submissives that are desperate and misguided rather than giving them a little "tough love" and having them re-think their approach.

My position on things here or anywhere else surely won't win me more subscriptions to my site; I could post ass-kissing, erotic and tantalizing threads until the cows come home. I'd rather post realistic opinions and let the non-fiction on my site speak for my character.
Akasha

Well then what is the problem? You state your opinion, I state mine. My opinions are that when someone is new to a forum or to their S/M lifestyle people could be a little nice to them. Some may be a little confused or even afraid. Your approach is to lash out and tell them how everything about their profile, their needs and desire is wrong unless it fits YOUR agenda. Then you immediatly jump into the whole "pro-domme, website" spiel which often has no relevance to anything they are asking. You are entitled to your opinions but as others have alos pointed out that doesnt mean you are right, it doesnt mean anything you say is factual or correct, just simply YOUR opinion. News flash for you, you are NOT God. Thats the only thing I have ever tried to point out. Whatever, I will leave you to get back to your never ending diatribe about paysites, prodommes and how subs need your guidance.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 7:56:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer
Horse puckey. Criticizing frauds, rip-off artists and scammers is not "railing against prodommes". Since the 1990's on Usenet, Akasha has been quite vocally pro-friendly, though like everyone else in the BDSM community, not hugely tolerant of spammers or bullshit artists.

quote:

That would be my whole point. Hypocrisy. I never denied having my two little hobby sites and am proud of them.

*snicker* Yes, the whole point does seem to be hypocrisy. If your position is that every domme who has a pay site is only posting to the boards to promote themselves, and they should consequently be run out of town on a rail covered with hot tar and chicken feathers, what exactly are you doing here? Other than perhaps looking for a unique spa treatment?

Its interesting how only Hacksha is qualified to decide who is a scam artist or fraud in your and her opinion. What I am doing here is trying to undo the lies and false claims of people like you and her. This one size fits all mentality that some have is pure and simple bullshit. There are as many ways to be submissive or dominant or to fuck or suck as their are people on this planet. Why is it so hard for some to believe that? Oh, perhaps because they have an agenda they are promoting? Yes, that it. If you see people posting the types of profiles you mentioned by all means bring it up with them. I dont do that, never have and never will. So, besides being a lacky for your love what are you doing here?

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 8:01:41 PM

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Might I suggest a thermos, and provisions for three days.

make sure he eats his wheaties too :D

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This isn't a freebie "MacDommes" dudes

DAMMIT.. wheres my extra large whip? how about supersized cuffs? wtf.. this is false advertising... im gonna see you in the peoples court... and yeah.. im bringing big bad johnny cochran with me too :D

*Bp*

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 8:03:05 PM

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Hmm all that good fibre ... Vamp, may I suggest taking a portapotty too :P

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 8:10:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb
What I am doing here is trying to undo the lies and false claims of people like you and her.

Eg, you're here to promote your own pay site, and you're quite annoyed because Akasha has the better one. LOL

I'm curious exactly as to what you think my "lies and false claims" are.

quote:

This one size fits all mentality that some have is pure and simple bullshit. There are as many ways to be submissive or dominant or to fuck or suck as their are people on this planet.

Er, I've only been saying that in the BDSM community for the last decade or two.

quote:

Why is it so hard for some to believe that? Oh, perhaps because they have an agenda they are promoting? Yes, that it.

Now I'm really curious. What agenda? What am I promoting? Other everyone's general amusement in this thread.

quote:

So, besides being a lacky for your love what are you doing here?

I don't have a BDSM website. I don't do pro sessions. I'm here to socialize and meet interesting new folks. And occasionally to laugh at them.

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RE: Pay? - 4/30/2006 8:11:48 PM

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I swore this horse was just a blood stain on the ground by now.

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