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FirmhandKY -> Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 10:51:16 AM)


Wednesday, Dec 15, 2010 02:15 ET
The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention
By Glenn Greenwald

Bradley Manning, the 22-year-old U.S. Army Private accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has never been convicted of that crime, nor of any other crime.  Despite that, he has been detained at the U.S. Marine brig in Quantico, Virginia for five months -- and for two months before that in a military jail in Kuwait -- under conditions that constitute cruel and inhumane treatment and, by the standards of many nations, even torture.  Interviews with several people directly familiar with the conditions of Manning's detention, ultimately including a Quantico brig official (Lt. Brian Villiard) who confirmed much of what they conveyed, establishes that the accused leaker is subjected to detention conditions likely to create long-term psychological injuries.

Since his arrest in May, Manning has been a model detainee, without any episodes of violence or disciplinary problems.  He nonetheless was declared from the start to be a "Maximum Custody Detainee," the highest and most repressive level of military detention, which then became the basis for the series of inhumane measures imposed on him.

From the beginning of his detention, Manning has been held in intensive solitary confinement.  For 23 out of 24 hours every day -- for seven straight months and counting -- he sits completely alone in his cell.  Even inside his cell, his activities are heavily restricted; he's barred even from exercising and is under constant surveillance to enforce those restrictions.  For reasons that appear completely punitive, he's being denied many of the most basic attributes of civilized imprisonment, including even a pillow or sheets for his bed (he is not and never has been on suicide watch).  For the one hour per day when he is freed from this isolation, he is barred from accessing any news or current events programs.  Lt. Villiard protested that the conditions are not "like jail movies where someone gets thrown into the hole," but confirmed that he is in solitary confinement, entirely alone in his cell except for the one hour per day he is taken out.

In sum, Manning has been subjected for many months without pause to inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions of isolation similar to those perfected at America's Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado:  all without so much as having been convicted of anything.


So ... if you define this as "torture" ... and Obama is the President ... does this mean that Obama condones torture?

Firm





mnottertail -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 10:53:20 AM)

I do not define it as torture, and have you ever been to Mannheim, Leavenworth or Ft. Riley?  That sort of military treatment is common shit.




KenDckey -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 10:59:12 AM)

I don't see a problem with his conditions.   You put him in general population and that is a risk to his life.   Most of the guys there, I believe based upon those that I have known, are patriotic and believe that dispersal of classified information is both treasonable and should be punished by death.  I would love to put him in general population, but you sure you want him with guys that would love to get at him?   My opinion.




servantforuse -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 11:01:56 AM)

Did he get waterboarded ?




KenDckey -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 11:04:39 AM)

Hey Servent   I like that idea    [:)]




KenDckey -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 11:10:17 AM)

quote:


AR 380-5 Chapter VI Compromise of Classified Information


AR 380-5 6-100. Policy
Compromise of classified information presents a threat to the
national security. Once a compromise is known to have occurred,
the seriousness of damage to U.S. interests must be determined and
appropriate measures taken to negate or minimize the adverse
effect of such compromise. When possible, action also should be
taken to regain custody of the documents or material that were
compromised. In all cases, however, appropriate action must be
taken to identify the source and reason for the compromise and
remedial action taken to ensure further compromises do not occur.
The provisions of DoD Instruction 5240.4 and DoD Directive 5210.50
(references (jj) and (kk)) apply to compromises covered by this
Chapter.




FYI  This is the Army's policy on the release of classified material.   You can find the entire reg online.




DomKen -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 12:34:55 PM)

I don't consider reasonable periods of solitary confinement as torture. 7 months is a long time though. His lawyers should be finding a judge and reminding the prosecutors of his right to a speedy trial.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:13:25 PM)

You lose a lot of so-called 'rights' when you join the military.




wittynamehere -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:16:11 PM)

FR

The fact that America tortures and condones torture is old news. I don't mean old rumour, I mean old news. Confirmed and admitted, at least a year ago, and several times since. This latest tidbit isn't really news, sorry!




FirmhandKY -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:23:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

The fact that America tortures and condones torture is old news. I don't mean old rumour, I mean old news. Confirmed and admitted, at least a year ago, and several times since. This latest tidbit isn't really news, sorry!

hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like "It torture when Bush and the Republicans do it, but not when Obama and the Democrats do it."

Firm




DomKen -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:24:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

The fact that America tortures and condones torture is old news. I don't mean old rumour, I mean old news. Confirmed and admitted, at least a year ago, and several times since. This latest tidbit isn't really news, sorry!

hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like "It torture when Bush and the Republicans do it, but not when Obama and the Democrats do it."

Firm


Because solitary confinement is exactly the same as drowning and beating prisoners.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:34:06 PM)

quote:

hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like "It torture when Bush and the Republicans do it, but not when Obama and the Democrats do it."

Firm


No, that sounds suspiciously like that's where you'd like to steer the discussion.




CerVeza -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:35:46 PM)

what a doofus. Prison time and dishonorable in his future. he can be a dickhead in iran or better yet, san francisco.




servantforuse -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:40:31 PM)

They never drowned a prisoner. They just made them think they were drowning. Besides that, it only was done three times. They could have had their heads chopped off like they do to their prisoners.




rulemylife -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:51:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like "It torture when Bush and the Republicans do it, but not when Obama and the Democrats do it."

Firm


No, that sounds suspiciously like that's where you'd like to steer the discussion.


Steer it?

More like the only reason he posted it.








rulemylife -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 3:56:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They never drowned a prisoner. They just made them think they were drowning. Besides that, it only was done three times.


It was only done three times, did you just misspeak or is that what you seriously believe?




Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 4:07:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

The fact that America tortures and condones torture is old news. I don't mean old rumour, I mean old news. Confirmed and admitted, at least a year ago, and several times since. This latest tidbit isn't really news, sorry!

hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like "It torture when Bush and the Republicans do it, but not when Obama and the Democrats do it."

Firm



Cherry picking the facts yet again Firm ?  It sounds suspiciously like you are clutching at straws.




Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 4:09:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They never drowned a prisoner. They just made them think they were drowning. Besides that, it only was done three times. They could have had their heads chopped off like they do to their prisoners.


They even admitted doing it 183 times to one guy..... Dont you even read your own newspapers ?




DomKen -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 4:31:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They never drowned a prisoner. They just made them think they were drowning. Besides that, it only was done three times. They could have had their heads chopped off like they do to their prisoners.

It was most definitely drowning just not drowned to death. And it was many more than 3 times.




servantforuse -> RE: Obama Admin Responsible for Torture? (12/16/2010 5:19:53 PM)

Correction.. They only did it to 3 guys..not 3 times.. I really don't care either way though.




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