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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
2.  It is the left's hypocrisy that is being pointed out, not the right's (yeah, we have some too, I'll admit).

Funny it was your silliness in trying to bait everyone into your BS we were all pointing out.

When you come back with evidence of torture get back to me.  When they start water boarding or beating him then we'll talk.

When you come back with a Presidential finding that put him in solitary or rulings by the US Attorney General giving reasons to hold him in solitary we can discuss it.

I never cared if they held anyone is solitary, so why should I care now?

But trying to troll with the writings of someone you don't have any respect for just to try and create drama is rich.

Take a cue form the US and all of the times we jumped into bed with shady operators because we thought it would make a point. 

Has that ever ended well?

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Extended solitary confinement is far more damaging and long lasting psychologically than waterboarding.

I'll be waiting right here by my computer for the studies that you are basing that claim on.

You do have those studies and research papers available, right Willbeur?

I mean you must.  How else would you be able to state it with such certainty?  And we all know you have too much integrity to just make something up.

So, I'll be looking forward to you posting them.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
2.  It is the left's hypocrisy that is being pointed out, not the right's (yeah, we have some too, I'll admit).

Funny it was your silliness in trying to bait everyone into your BS we were all pointing out.

When you come back with evidence of torture get back to me.  When they start water boarding or beating him then we'll talk.

When you come back with a Presidential finding that put him in solitary or rulings by the US Attorney General giving reasons to hold him in solitary we can discuss it.

I never cared if they held anyone is solitary, so why should I care now?

But trying to troll with the writings of someone you don't have any respect for just to try and create drama is rich.

Take a cue form the US and all of the times we jumped into bed with shady operators because we thought it would make a point. 

Has that ever ended well?

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Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU said of the decision: “Eric Holder’s Justice Department stood up in court today and said that it would continue the Bush policy of invoking state secrets to hide the reprehensible history of torture, rendition and the most grievous human rights violations committed by the American government. This is not change. This is definitely more of the same. Candidate Obama ran on a platform that would reform the abuse of state secrets, but President Obama’s Justice Department has disappointingly reneged on that important civil liberties issue. If this is a harbinger of things to come, it will be a long and arduous road to give us back an America we can be proud of again.” Ben Wizner, a staff attorney with the ACLU, who argued the case for the plaintiffs said, “We are shocked and deeply disappointed that the Justice Department has chosen to continue the Bush administration’s practice of dodging judicial scrutiny of extraordinary rendition and torture. This was an opportunity for the new administration to act on its condemnation of torture and rendition, but instead it has chosen to stay the course. Now we must hope that the court will assert its independence by rejecting the government’s false claims of state secrets and allowing the victims of torture and rendition their day in court.”

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Just what I love to see...a cartoon that could have just as easily been called "The Liberal Conundrum" simply by...
a.  Having a conservative president

b . Putting a picture of whoever the conservative president is on the T-Shirt and putting a statement like "No more tax hikes" on the other T-shirt

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Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU said of the decision: “Eric Holder’s Justice Department stood up in court today and said that it would continue the Bush policy of invoking state secrets to hide the reprehensible history of torture, rendition and the most grievous human rights violations committed by the American government. This is not change. This is definitely more of the same. Candidate Obama ran on a platform that would reform the abuse of state secrets, but President Obama’s Justice Department has disappointingly reneged on that important civil liberties issue. If this is a harbinger of things to come, it will be a long and arduous road to give us back an America we can be proud of again.” Ben Wizner, a staff attorney with the ACLU, who argued the case for the plaintiffs said, “We are shocked and deeply disappointed that the Justice Department has chosen to continue the Bush administration’s practice of dodging judicial scrutiny of extraordinary rendition and torture. This was an opportunity for the new administration to act on its condemnation of torture and rendition, but instead it has chosen to stay the course. Now we must hope that the court will assert its independence by rejecting the government’s false claims of state secrets and allowing the victims of torture and rendition their day in court.”

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Firm,

Just a quick note- the link I posted back on post 42 refutes some of the claims your article states.

It provides a clarification on the suicide watch issue, explains about his bedding (no pillow but there is a cover that is soft but non-shreddable) and explains he does have access to news both during his hour of less restriction when he is allowed TV as well as print news.

Most of the information is provided by his attorney.

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CAVEAT: I am not vouching for the veracity of these citations nor am I stating that I am in support of what is said in these or NOT in support of these.

Then just what ARE you doing?

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Backpeddling?

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So ... if you define this as "torture" ... and Obama is the President ... does this mean that Obama condones torture?
Firm

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Crap, CD, I thought you'd at least make a comment about my "Liberal Conundrum" modifications!  [8D]

Firm