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What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 2:19:57 PM   
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Hi

I've been checking out quite some profiles lately. One thing that pops up quite often is "I want a strict master."

I have to say that I do not really understand that request because I can't imagine what a non-strict master/mistress/dom is.
* Someone who simply doesn't care if a task is done
* Someone who isn't confident enough to go though with a task, meaning not punishing if it isn't done
* Does it mean something more general. Like when you agreed to turn the sub into a pet but you loose that target and only "play" with your sub.

In all those cases I would say that he/she isn't a master/mistress/dom.

@Subs: If some of you would write something like this I'd like to hear why. Bad experience or do you actually have something particular in mind?
@Masters/Mistresses/doms: Would you define your self as strict and if so why? What feature makes you strict compared to a usual or non-strict master?

Of course a master/mistress/dom should recognize if he/she demanded to much of the sub. I think that is a different story.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 3:07:36 PM   
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Yes, I'm probably seen as strict.  I'm a high protocol person and I run obedience based dynamics. 

Of course, what I would term as strict, somebody might not see in the same way.  I don't feel that other Dominants that are less strict than I am aren't proper Dominants.  They just have a different personal style to their dynamics. 


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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 3:11:59 PM   
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Half of the people that say that, would baulk if they actually had one. The other half likely wants someone to follow-through on all the *talk*.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 3:31:27 PM   
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Yes, I'm probably seen as strict.  I'm a high protocol person and I run obedience based dynamics. 


So in this case strict would mean that you have more protocols in place. So if a sub is referring to this he/she wants to be controlled in more ways than "usual".
So "usual" would be for instance that the sub has to call the Dominant Master/Mistress. A strict would have additional protocols like keep you eyes downcast, speak only when asked and so on.

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color="#9900cc"]Of course, what I would term as strict, somebody might not see in the same way.  I don't feel that other Dominants that are less strict than I am aren't proper Dominants.  They just have a different personal style to their dynamics. 


If I got your definition of strict right I would agree. The amount of protocols isn't really a indicator on the skills if a Dominant.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 3:37:47 PM   
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Half of the people that say that, would baulk if they actually had one. The other half likely wants someone to follow-through on all the *talk*.



That's more or less the reason for my question. I basically want to know how serious this usually is and what the expectation probably might be. Of course I will only learn what they really want by talking to them.

If I read "I am new and looking for a strict Master for a 24/7 relationship" it is quite obvious that they do not really know what they are talking about.


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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 3:59:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Minotauros
So in this case strict would mean that you have more protocols in place. So if a sub is referring to this he/she wants to be controlled in more ways than "usual".
So "usual" would be for instance that the sub has to call the Dominant Master/Mistress. A strict would have additional protocols like keep you eyes downcast, speak only when asked and so on.

That's some of it, but certainly not all of it.  The high protocol part is to say that there is a lot of structure.  You'd be hard pressed to ask clip about anything that's done in My household, including his behavior, that he couldn't tell you what My expectations would be.  Unless there is something out of his control (illness, outside circumstances, etc) he knows that he is expected to meet those standards.

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If I got your definition of strict right I would agree. The amount of protocols isn't really a indicator on the skills if a Dominant.

Correct, but I tend to look at it as a whole package deal.  In My opinion, protocol and ritual are a good way to sent the tone of the dynamic, but it's not the only contributing factor by far.  It's also the amount of obedience that I require, the amount of control, and the authority that I maintain. 

Truthfully, clip wouldn't match as well with someone who is more laid back.  He craves structure and thrives on it. 


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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 4:10:50 PM   
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@Subs: If some of you would write something like this I'd like to hear why. Bad experience or do you actually have something particular in mind?



With someone with little experience "strict" can mean a fantasy idea of a hot dominant. It's not hard to determine whether that is the case by talking to them a bit. Some of us, indeed, have had experience with "laid-back" dominants but personally respond better to a different style. Many dominants advertise on collarme that they are this "laid-back" type (they don't use that phrase, necessarily, but the gist of the meaning is there), and so submissives will sometimes put "strict" into their personal ads to indicate that they would be happier with someone with a more (this phrase is loaded but I don't know a better one) "control freak" attitude. Words like "strict" in a submissive person's personal ad can mean they crave a level of control that is not really that common among the dominants they encounter at sites like this or in real life. When I had a profile up, I believe I used "strict" in that context. I also said the same thing in several other ways, so the point wouldn't be lost. Not all masters or mistresses are interested in being unusually "strict," look at a daddy-dom for instance. The daddy/child dynamic is often very different than the master/slave dynamic. So anyway, it's good form I think to warn those who do read the profile ahead of time that this is a strong need for you.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 4:25:25 PM   
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though i never did the personals/dating/looking for a partner-type thing, when i was brand new to the world of D/s and would describe the sort of Master i longed for (which i never conceived i'd ever actually have, btw), i definitely used the word "strict." i probably also used words like "firm," and "aggressive." that is because being wired the way i am, the type of structure such a man could provide is what would be necessary for me to be fulfilled, not to mention functional, in a relationship. i wanted to be with someone caring and thoughtful, but who would also keep me constantly on my toes because that is the sort of manner and attitude which inspires confidence and security for me.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 4:32:12 PM   
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I never used the word "strict" when I was searching for a partner. Instead I said I wanted a man who kept his word, is honest, attentative, ambitious, dominant in personality.....to me those things mean he's going to be the type that says when he wants what he says and sticks to it, who isn't going to give in to everything at the drop of a dime.

Imo those people who say in their profiles that they want a "strict Master" are either

A: New and not really sure what that means except what they read in bdsm porn
B. not really looking for a long term committed relationship but more of a casual/play type partner with no emotions, no feelings, no caring, who will just whip em and leave em.


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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 5:06:19 PM   
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Interesting question...hmm, I had to think about that for a bit. I also enjoyed reading a few of the other comments. Though, I must be the minority in saying that I never have wanted an overly strict person (when you've lived around it half your life, it's kind of something you don't crave much in a relationship, now...structure is quite a different story.

Ladypact, I totally understand where "Chip" is coming from, but that seems part for the course that most submissives need more ...um, how shall I say, directives than a vanilla person, but on the other hand, subs give way more than a vanilla person ever could, so it really kind of equals itself out (but only with the right person). I'm a little envious that he has so much structure, can I borrow a cup of that for myself haha.

Anyway, Minotauros, I am in the minority when I say I do not want a strict ogre. I want a firm but loving person, authoritative and with a voice yes, uncaring and unfeeling and emotionless, no.
I don't like ungrateful people who never seem to get pleased or satisfied, or that you don't really know what they want (it is good to have clear rules, and boundaries set up, but each party should already go into something knowing what they want and compromising along the way, of course that's assuming a D/s mentality only, I suppose in M/s or fatherly type roles might work quite different, but there should always be some amount of trust and respect.

Littlewonder, now I actually agreed with you somewhat on this post, suppose you have a wide range of feelings on different topics. I think you are right, someone "new" who says I want a strict Master, doesn't really know the meaning of the word strict, and might not ask for it if they really knew what some people were capable of. I know I've never put anything like that on mine. Though, I wouldn't say putting you want a stict Master would mean "love you and leave you types" for that person could have a genuine desire, however...it does show their newness & lack of personal experience would probably fade some of those desires away.

Oh excellent point on noticing that often times, if the Dom or Mistress feels they were a bit harsh, then they probably were...yes, that is a good strategy to employ about self-correcting. It is not just a good tool for subs, but I feel if more Doms self-corrected, then there would be less frustration. A sub should self-correct to prove good faith & a willingness not to be lazy and take responsibility, but at the same time, a Dom/Master should know what to do, the few times issues arise that need to be addressed.

I have time and again, found some many men claiming to be Dom, who were nothing of the sort (it is a real problem), some had characterisitics of Dom, but yet, when faced with real problems and situations, they all just go running away, then you know who the real Doms are in my opinion. Though, while a little more cautious and jaded now than I used to be, I am also still hopeful that eventually something worthwhile will come along. Someone who cannot face the music, is not really a Dom I'd wish to serve, and if he hasn't experienced a few things that I have, then how can I know if he's capable of leading and guiding me, if he has undergone similiar things than I have?

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 5:26:18 PM   
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Dude... It's all about laying down the rules and backing it up!! What is so hard to understand about that??? (Giving you a Puzzled look)

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 6:00:45 PM   
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A couple of you have equated "strict" with being unloving or unemotional, and I disagree.  My last D/s relationship ended because the "dom" had little to no control over me, made almost no effort to provide rules or structure, did not back up his commands, and eventually ended up being submissive to me.  I am with my Alpha because he is the opposite - he tells me what needs to be done, and he backs up his words with action.  He is far from unloving or unemotional.  In fact, he's one of the most emotionally open and loving men I have ever met.  Being strict doesn't make him less human.

I do agree that many people don't really understand what they're asking for when they add that to their profile.  The fantasy of a "strict master" is very different than the actual feeling of whip on skin.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 6:22:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Minotauros

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ORIGINAL: agirl
Half of the people that say that, would baulk if they actually had one. The other half likely wants someone to follow-through on all the *talk*.



That's more or less the reason for my question. I basically want to know how serious this usually is and what the expectation probably might be. Of course I will only learn what they really want by talking to them.

If I read "I am new and looking for a strict Master for a 24/7 relationship" it is quite obvious that they do not really know what they are talking about.




Clearly.

If I wanted a *strict* Master, I certainly wouldn't be advertising the fact in such a broad manner. In fact , I wouldn't say anything of the kind ......I'd just *know it when I saw it*.

But I'm not new, I'm not interested in being a *naughty girl* to get my arse reddened and I'm not looking , nor am I likely to be.

My comments were a bit "tongue in cheek"...I've seen it , heard it..many, many times.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 6:36:35 PM   
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 Well, it tends to have mixed connotations. Depends where you come from.

Strict, M/s wise, certainly holds all good things for me. Strictly keeping to your word, being strictly fair, being strictly consistant .... etc, etc. 

Glad I'm held in a "strict" relationship...it's had me smiling for more than a few years.....lol

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/24/2010 11:16:23 PM   
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Strict? not sure.

What i need is consistancy...clear expectations..boundaries and rules that remain constant..

Sometimes, in a long term relationship the D/s part waxes and wanes, real life gets in the way..distractions happen.

There does not have to be a lot of rules, or a lot of structure, but i do better when there are at least a few things always required.. expected...

It is a a secure feeling for me, knowing that no matter what, there are some things always expected.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 7:25:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Minotauros

Hi

I've been checking out quite some profiles lately. One thing that pops up quite often is "I want a strict master."

I have to say that I do not really understand that request because I can't imagine what a non-strict master/mistress/dom is.
* Someone who simply doesn't care if a task is done
* Someone who isn't confident enough to go though with a task, meaning not punishing if it isn't done
* Does it mean something more general. Like when you agreed to turn the sub into a pet but you loose that target and only "play" with your sub.

In all those cases I would say that he/she isn't a master/mistress/dom.

@Subs: If some of you would write something like this I'd like to hear why. Bad experience or do you actually have something particular in mind?
@Masters/Mistresses/doms: Would you define your self as strict and if so why? What feature makes you strict compared to a usual or non-strict master?

Of course a master/mistress/dom should recognize if he/she demanded to much of the sub. I think that is a different story.

Minotauros



I see the logic of your position and I can't say that I instinctively disagree. In fact, I am more incline to agree. But, this makes the assumption that strict applies to a person holding another accountable to the rules in place with certain and immediate action. Stict for some may be the volume of the rules in place that one must be accountable to and maybe it's a combination of both aspects. Regardless, initially the descriptor has as much value to me as "I am a Master". It's only through understanding of the definitions of such labels that one truly gains the information necessary to make an informed choice of action.


Editted to add:

My two girls consider me Strict.... in that they have a significant number of standards (rules, protocals & conduct) that I hold them accountable in a certain and immediate fashion. To me... nothing worse that having a rule that is not followed... in fact.. I would say it's a suggestion not a rule. Nothing wrong with suggestions... but I see no Dominance of the relationship if all I do is provide suggestions for the s-type to consider following or not following.

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 12/25/2010 7:34:55 AM >


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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 7:37:05 AM   
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strict can be anything from pouting to beating the crap out of you if they don't get their way

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 8:04:15 AM   
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interesting topic

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 8:59:31 AM   
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Strict to me just means a shorter leash, figuratively speaking. Less deviation from the established rules/procedures allowed. It doesn't have anything to do with the emotional connection, except that he doesn't allow himself to be swayed by emotion in enforcement.
It sounds hot in the abstract (again, to me), but it's probably not practical in my life. I would imagine a lot of new people think it sounds hot too, but haven't necessarily tried to live it, so don't know if it is practical for them.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 9:20:35 AM   
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But I'm not new, I'm not interested in being a *naughty girl* to get my arse reddened and I'm not looking , nor am I likely to be.

I know this isn't quite what you meant, but this struck a chord with me.

In general (with several very specific exceptions) I don't want to have to be strict. I want my partners to do as I say because they want to please me, not because I'm holding consequences over their heads. And in general (those specific exception excepted ) they do. If I want thing x done and thing x happens, where's the need for strictness?

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