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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/1/2006 1:19:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: submisdemeanor

i very much agree with happilymarried.  when women left the house and the role of parenting to daycare givers and the school systems, the family began to fall apart.  look at the number of divorces and the huge number of children who are having behavioral and academic difficulties. everyone is working to exhaustion, but not much is being accomplished, certainly not the nurturing of a happy, healthy family.  no wonder Men walk out of marriages and away from their families.  old fashioned as this will sound, i still believe that the Man/Father should be the head of the household and the woman/submissive should be there to respect, to serve, and to accent His life.  and children need to see the the roles of Man/woman modeled on a daily basis. if a woman wants to have a career, and bless her if she does, then she should think long and hard before bringing children into the picture for society to raise.  just my humble opinion.

Oh dear. I don't agree at all. I'm a very feminine sub and always have been and I've never not been submissive to a man in any relationship but I've always worked and had a family and it worked fine, married nearly 20 years and the divorce was nothing to do with my working. Also I must say most dominant men have enjoyed the fact I worked. In fact I so disagree - I would hate it if girls always just saw mothers in the kitchen.. Anyway best I don't write about it because you get such huge gulfs between people on these issues. Women have always worked in just about all societies.


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/1/2006 1:19:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: submisdemeanor
i very much agree with happilymarried.  when women left the house and the role of parenting to daycare givers and the school systems, the family began to fall apart.  look at the number of divorces and the huge number of children who are having behavioral and academic difficulties. everyone is working to exhaustion, but not much is being accomplished, certainly not the nurturing of a happy, healthy family.  no wonder Men walk out of marriages and away from their families.  old fashioned as this will sound, i still believe that the Man/Father should be the head of the household and the woman/submissive should be there to respect, to serve, and to accent His life.  and children need to see the the roles of Man/woman modeled on a daily basis. if a woman wants to have a career, and bless her if she does, then she should think long and hard before bringing children into the picture for society to raise.  just my humble opinion.
I don't disagree with you and happily married entirely, but you are blaming women's rights for way too much.  I currently sacrifice earning a much higher salary so I can spend lots of time with my unmentionable.   I understand that parents/families ought to spend time with their offspring and guide them if we hope for them to grow up and become strong people in the future.   

I grew up in a strong family structure, and both mom and dad were intermittently out of the house.   Mom was not the home slaving for her man kind of woman, but everything was taken care of, and someone was always home with us.  I have ZERO interest in staying home 24/7 and being someone's obedient little woman, and would sooner hang myself than play that role.   The goal of the feminist movement (or the ERA) is/should be to allow each woman to choose how she wants to live her life, and not have her livelihood determined by the fact that she was born sans penis. 
   
As for men walking out of marriages, I thank the heavens for divorce.   Everyone should feel free to walk away from an unhealthy/miserable marriage rather than stay to kill each other quickly/violently or slowly by morally/spiritually breaking him/her down.
Again the kink of fem supremacy is simply a kink.  No one has to participate in anything withing wiitwd if it doesn't float your boat.    M


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/1/2006 1:49:26 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/1/2006 3:03:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

I wouldnt choose the option if male supremacy was there, but why the double standard? Why is it okay for a woman to be a chauvinist but not a man? To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?

I believe in equally, I believe in fair play. No gender is superior than the other. I just find it stupid. Choose female supremacy all you want, I dont care. What bothers me is, where is the option for men?


Hi Nick,

I asked the very same question some time ago, and even made a suggestion to the powers that be at collarme.com to include that lifestyle interest, but as of yet I have not received any response to that suggestion, either way.

Clearly, there is a double standard and a bias here. The idea of female supremacy is in fashion in our modern times. It's just not politically correct to be so bluntly pro-male; better to make a veiled reference to it with the inclusion of an esoteric term like "Gorean lifestyle". Unfortunately, that doesn't quite cut it with me. But oh well.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/1/2006 3:13:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Happilymarried

I personally would like to find the person who started the woman's revolution and smack them.  Their intent may have been to move women forward, but all they actually did was take women from the home and put them into jobs outside the home.  Oh but wait, we still have the home and the kids to care for.  So, they basically fought for women to have the right to work 2 full-time jobs.  I may take a hit for this; but here goes, women would have been much better off in the home baking cookies and looking pretty for her husband.  I was really born out of my time era.  I should have been born in the 1800's, and I would have fought against feminism.


I agree that you personally would be better off in an at-home role.  I would never want to take that choice away from you.  But human beings aren't all stamped from the same cookie-cutter mold, and there really are both men and women out there who would rather shoot themselves than have to live in that kind of situation.  Many people can be healthy and fulfilled in the "traditional" model of man works, woman stays home and cares for house and kids.  Many people really and truly can't be, and they have the right to make their choices too.

Feminism is not about taking choices away from women who want to stay at home.  It's about giving more choices to people who may be single working mothers who are desperate to give their kids a better quality of life but who aren't being paid a decent wage just because they don't have a penis.  It's about giving more choices to men who want to stay at home be a father to their kids because Mom has better job skills and can support the family outside the home with a better quality of life.  I'm sorry you feel the need to fight against something that gives other human beings more choices and more ability to take better care of their families. 

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/1/2006 3:53:51 PM   
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Men are superior to women in some ways and worse off than women in others.

Physically, very few women can stand toe to toe with a man and accomplish the same amount of physical labor in the same space of time.  Why?  Muscle power.  Men are genetically designed, for lack of a better term, to be hunters, gatherers and protectors of the family unit.  We men have the raw, physical power to wage war, as it was done in days long past.  Men will naturally confront aggression with their own aggression and either come to a compromise or defeat the challenge.  Men will naturally try to take the lead in things, either by nature, design or need for ego stroking.  Basically, the things that men are superior in are more physically noticable than those for women, so of course we always comment on the inequities.

Women, however, are much more mentally stable and even as a general rule.  Not that they don't go insane, or anything like that, but they can accept and adapt to more stressful situations than a man will, hands down.  Women are left with the burden of the family, internally.  A mild way of looking at it would be that women are the grease that keeps the cogs of men turning instead of seizing and shattering.  They are the moral, emotional and mental support men need.

Then, along came feminism, which said women should have all the power of men without giving up the power that they, themselves, possess.  I'm all for equal rights and equal pay and all that nonsense, since they are hot topic buttons, not serious issues.  I've never cared, nor has any men I know personally, who was in charge, as long as the work got done.  If you can do the job, then do it and stop stnading on the soap box and proclaiming that you should be allowed to prove.  Do it.  The phrase "Sh*t or get off the pot," comes to mind frequently when it comes to the concept of the male/female power struggle.

The castration of males, and castigation that goes along with it, is a lot of what really fuels the whole issue.

"Knuckle draggers".  That one phrase is at the bottom of this whole sess pool both sexes seem to enjoy wading around in.

If you want to be treated like an equal, then act like you deserve to be called one.  Physically, I have outworked practically ever female that I have worked with, especially when I have worked construction.  Emotionally, and mentally, I have met my betters and respect them for it, until they try to use it like a 2x4 and start bashing me for not knowing what they know.

How about males and females both back the egos down and stop trying to wage a pissing war over the things that really don't matter and are inconsequential in the scope of the human race's existence?  I know it will never happen but it is such a nice thought.

Actually, better yet, how about both sexes stop browbeating each other and start complimenting a bit more?  Be a nice change of pace if nothing else.

Until the mentality changes, social anarchists like me are going to continue to point and laugh at both sides, mainly because the pie that is being fought over went rancid eons ago.


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 12:24:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SweetEscravo

I think it is because the world has been dominated by men for so long, women are now trying to control it.  It's similar to what has happened racially- it's okay to be racist towards white people because years ago they were in control.  It seems to me that feminists act like other "minorities"- claiming to be put down, or victimised.


Very well said. I don't believe feminist want equally, they only want extra privileges. They twist the concept around and call it equally.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 12:26:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

'cause men already had their chance for the last 2006 years, and screwed things up royally.   In fact they're still fucking it up.... after all, the First Asshole wasn't content with making himself a "war" president, now he's just looking for an excuse to be a nuclear war president. 

Do I think women could do better?  HELL yes!  Goddess knows, we sure couldn't do WORSE!



If a male said the same type of thing about women, he would be labeled as a misogynist.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 12:33:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dustyn

Why is the term for strong females feminists, which is supposed to be a compliment of sorts, but chauvinist, which is male most of the time, is regarded as an insult if there is such an equality between men and women?

- Dustyn



Chauvinist are males most of the time? I dont think so. Maybe many years ago but not today.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 4:09:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my lifetime, I have never heard a female being called a chauvinist pig.  Seen dozens, if not hundreds, of men get called that though.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 6:13:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

'cause men already had their chance for the last 2006 years, and screwed things up royally.   In fact they're still fucking it up.... after all, the First Asshole wasn't content with making himself a "war" president, now he's just looking for an excuse to be a nuclear war president. 

Do I think women could do better?  HELL yes!  Goddess knows, we sure couldn't do WORSE!

Wow, this is THE most incredibly idiotic thing I've ever read from anyone. Thanks for the laugh.

Oh, and one question. Why is it then that every female lead government has either faded to the background or become non-existent then? If women do so much better, shouldn't they be in government everywhere? And if what you say is so true, then who are the real fuck-ups? The men fucking things up, or the women that stand by and watch? I think that if women had any real power, they would be displaying it be now. Now don't get me wrong, I don't condone the idiot that is in office right now, but at least he isn't launching a nuclear strike because of a bad bout of PMS, or he is jealous at the way any other government official is looking at his first lady.

(Okay, I admit, it was a few questions and a statement)

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 6:33:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Happilymarried

I personally would like to find the person who started the woman's revolution and smack them.  Their intent may have been to move women forward, but all they actually did was take women from the home and put them into jobs outside the home.  Oh but wait, we still have the home and the kids to care for.  So, they basically fought for women to have the right to work 2 full-time jobs.  I may take a hit for this; but here goes, women would have been much better off in the home baking cookies and looking pretty for her husband.  I was really born out of my time era.  I should have been born in the 1800's, and I would have fought against feminism.


I would love to be a housegirl. I have recently tried to sell my owner on this concept. I have finally been allowed to cut down from 48-60 hours a week to 24-32 hours a week at work. My owner refuses to see slave as the leisure class but I'd do pretty much anything to be able to stay home and take care of the house. It it my dream..lol. I'd bake cookies, I'd look good all the time, heck there isn't much I wouldn't do. I don't want equal rights, I want to stay home and bake cookies damn it. It is very unlikely to -ever- happen but I can dream.

This is a new thing for me, for years I was adamant that I would never want to be a housegirl. In fact when I met my owner, one thing I asked for was that he allow me to work full-time, that he use me as an income source...oh how the worm turns.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 6:49:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Women should always have the right to chose how to direct their lives, and a right to lend  those controls to the hands of whomever they wish. The femnist revolution began because it HAD to. The dam  finnaly broke. The only reason we ever know about a feminist movement, is because there have been hundreds of thousands of Women throughout history who have stood up to be heard. Women who demand the right to dictate how they wish to lead their lives, free of oppression. Not every Woman wants children, not every Woman want's a man; and thanks to the brave Women who took and continue to take a stand for equality, I will have neither. So thank you feminism! For creating the oppertunity for me to live as an educated, powerfull and FREE WOMAN!!!



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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 6:51:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gorean Masters are not chauvinistic???? oh me

this one isnt living in a male dominated society
goes after more coffee and ponders this

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 6:55:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me there are good and bad points of the so-called "feminist revolution".

It seemed to both free and enslave at the same time.  Yes,  women appeared to be more "free" to choose their own destiny,  but also seemed to be enslaved to follow the path set by the purveyors of the "revolution."  Great if you want to be a single career woman.  Not so hot if you want to be a house girl or stay at home mom.

It also seemed to spawn the same hypocrisy that it claimed to fight.  If a male is mysogynistic,  well that's BAD,  no matter if the females involved approve or not - if a female follows that path,  well that's "ok" regardless..  Uh-uh - not by me.  Either play by the same rules or leave the game.  I have no problem with polyamorous relationships,  if all involved are cool with what's going on,  but "equal" means just that.



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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:00:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

I wouldnt choose the option if male supremacy was there, but why the double standard? Why is it okay for a woman to be a chauvinist but not a man? To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?

I believe in equally, I believe in fair play. No gender is superior than the other. I just find it stupid. Choose female supremacy all you want, I dont care. What bothers me is, where is the option for men?







Uhm ... The option is there for either sex. There are some people who *hate* female supremecists ... There are some people who *hate* male supremecisits.

There are also some people who love either group and think they've died and gone to heaven when they find someone like that.

And then there are people who really don't care one way or the other.

Perhaps you met someone or several someones who don't care for male chauvinsim, but thats hardly everyone. I guess I just don't see the point of these kind of posts.

Sit down and think about it and you'll go, Oh, ok *that* person didn't like it. Ah well, lets find one who does!

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:06:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Listen up faggott, men write the history, and write it for men. Most of the Women who where lucky enough to reserve a place in hisory, had to alter their identity to be respected, like Joan of Ark, or Hapchetssup who was a Woman Pharo in Egypt. Durinng ther reign of Hapchetsup, there was NO WAR; and the empire thrived. Never heard of her? Maybe thats because you have your head too far up you hyper massculine ass. Read a book cave man!
And give respect where respect is due!

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:10:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very nice treatise. I am a woman and I agree with you!

I have always thought that women work better in the home and men work better outside of it. Always liked the idea that a hardworking man deserved a good-looking woman waiting for him when he got home. But I also enjoy working part-time outside the home. I am a fitness instructor, so my job is my hobby. I'm lucky that way. But I never turn down my man for any sexual favors he wants/needs.

I feel a woman should care for her man's needs, as he should care for hers. But nowadays, women want to be supreme without also taking care of their men's needs, in other words, bitches. I can't respect anyone, woman or man, who wants power but won't assume the responsibility that goes with it. A good man/Dom will take what he needs from his woman/sub, but also give back. A good woman/sub will always be at the ready to give whatever she can in return. It should be mutual, no matter who is the main breadwinner, no matter who is in charge. True love of one another, respect for each other's humanity, and acknowledgement of our place in the universe, demands mutual care and service.
-truesub

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:13:28 AM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:13:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Woman have Female supremacy ...
Men have Gor...

yes there are Free Woman on Gor .. but only because Men allow it ...

else who would have the Free Male children LOL ...



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