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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:15:36 AM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:35:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your are right Rama Llama about Hapchtsup being an amazing woman ruler of Egypt, and it is VERY amaznig that under her rule there were now wars. One downfall to her rule though is that while she was ruling Egypt other countries like Persia were creating armies, and planning invasions of countries that were non-confrentational like Egypt at that time. That is why the Egyptions were invaded and could not even fight for their land. They had no standing army to protect themselves. I guess it was a Eutopia while she was in charge, but things soon crumbled when countries realized the weakness' her country held. Look at it this way, men are good for acquiring land and fighting, women are good at making the country pretty. It is very cool that someone knows about Egyptian History.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:37:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is true that my choice may not be right for every person, but the female movement has helped take away that option from me.  Women are expected to work outside of the home as well as maintain the home.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 8:06:37 AM   
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Why is it then that every female lead government has either faded to the background or become non-existent then?


Umm New Zealand's Labour led government is now in it's third three year term with a female Prime Minister that doesn't appear to be fading into the background or becoming non-existent anytime soon.  ...just thought I'd let you know that not every female lead government has faded away.

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I have always thought that women work better in the home and men work better outside of it.


truesub123 I find that an incredibly archaic statement and extremely unfair to men who by choice or design remain at home with their children and do a damn fine job of it and equally unfair of women who have made their mark in their respective workplaces. 

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Women are expected to work outside of the home as well as maintain the home.


Happilymarried then I suggest women grow some balls in their own personal relationships and NOT PUT UP WITH LAZY ARSE PARTNERS male or female if she is working outside the home as well.  If I work and my partner works he shall know one end of a toilet brush from the other...simple...and if he doesn't I'm certainly not going to insult my intelligence or anyone else's by blaming a movement of the 1960's for my inability to get respect in my relationships.

While you're want to blame feminism for this phenomenon you all seem to be overlooking one fundamental fact!  Women DID work outside the home PRIOR to the feminism of the 1960's.  It was the lack of career opportunity that frustrated women of that era.  A great deal of women were university educated but despite having a degree were only ever offered jobs as secretaries, or cleaners, or girl fridays...unable to move beyong these gendered positions...getting patted on the head and having loads of 'yes dear' or 'its just PMS, you'll feel better tomorrow' when her skills weren't given the recognition deserved man or woman.  And you're all seeming to overlook another fundamental fact ...consumerism and captialism that ya'll all buy into that dictates a family now needs two incomes to survive....which has sweet fa to do with feminism.

And truesub123 who said a man should come home to a good looking woman at the end of the day... the biggest joke of the golden era of feminism was the HOT CHICK, the pin up girl, with legs that went all the way to heaven Gloria Steiman ADVOCATED male hatred and oppression of women and the portrayal of women as victims, yet men and media hung off her every word like she was some demi god ...while Betty Friedan, the frumpy middle aged instigator of the womens' movement ADVOCATED NOT HATING MEN, that they were NOT THE ENEMY was dismissed as a dyke man hating ugly bitch. 

Anyway thats my rant! Peace love and mungbeans all.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 9:21:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Happilymarried

It is true that my choice may not be right for every person, but the female movement has helped take away that option from me. Women are expected to work outside of the home as well as maintain the home.


For most of human history women have worked outside of their home either for income or for goods to support their families or on the family farm or in the family business. The poorer the family, the more likely it was for the mother/wife to need to work; same case for times of warfare or after the death of the father/husband.

This idea that women don't work outside the home is either based on an upper class elite (where women did other "work" outside the home) or a Victorian middle-class model that was supposed to differ them from the upper and lower classes.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 9:26:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Happilymarried

I personally would like to find the person who started the woman's revolution and smack them.  Their intent may have been to move women forward, but all they actually did was take women from the home and put them into jobs outside the home.  Oh but wait, we still have the home and the kids to care for.  So, they basically fought for women to have the right to work 2 full-time jobs.  I may take a hit for this; but here goes, women would have been much better off in the home baking cookies and looking pretty for her husband.  I was really born out of my time era.  I should have been born in the 1800's, and I would have fought against feminism.


Excellent... (Not sure about the "looking pretty" part.. but...) yes yes yes yes I wanted that.. every since I can remember. Kudos!

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 9:28:47 AM   
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Listen up faggott, men write the history, and write it for men. Most of the Women who where lucky enough to reserve a place in hisory, had to alter their identity to be respected, like Joan of Ark, or Hapchetssup who was a Woman Pharo in Egypt. Durinng ther reign of Hapchetsup, there was NO WAR; and the empire thrived. Never heard of her? Maybe thats because you have your head too far up you hyper massculine ass. Read a book cave man!
And give respect where respect is due!



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Nor war during the reign of Hatshepsut? That might depend on how you define a war I guess. Her funeral reliefs certainly show her leading armies and accepting gifts from those whom Egypt conquered.

Of course what we know about her is limited because Tuthmosis III had most of her images mutilated and accounts rewritten to make the line from his father to him more clear.

We do however know that she had to assume many "masculine" accessories during her reign as a means to protray herself as a rightful ruler including a fake beard and downplaying the feminine nature of her body.

Sorry, I know I feel a lecture coming on and most of you probably are content with pop history so as you were....

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 9:38:26 AM   
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Listen up faggott......


This usually isn't a very effective tactic to use as an opening to present one's argument. It kind of translates to "Let's insult one another rather than present evidence to support our individual points of view."
Not to mention, it's derogatory and quite probably offensive to some in this lifestyle.
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 9:46:45 AM   
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I wouldnt choose the option if male supremacy was there, but why the double standard? Why is it okay for a woman to be a chauvinist but not a man? To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?

I believe in equally, I believe in fair play. No gender is superior than the other. I just find it stupid. Choose female supremacy all you want, I dont care. What bothers me is, where is the option for men?






Hello There,
If you look back less than 200 years ago women could not vote, have their own bank accounts or own land in their own name.
I think the point you're missing is this is a mans world and most use to consider the male species supreme to woman. Woman supremacy came about as a rebelion against a patrilineal society that discriminated against women.

Of course womans lib has changed a lot over the past 50 years so the male supremacy is not as society driven as it once was. I just think men supremacy goes without saying overall and does not need to be voiced as it's still the more accepted aspect in society.
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 9:57:18 AM   
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I've never seen a  man completely freak out at work and have a break down. I've seen women do this. I've never seen a man leave work, because of girlfriend problems, I've seen this mental breakdown several times. I've never seen a man ask for help as a general course of action, but it seems some women do this as par for the course, though don't even think about how it interfers with others work. I've never seen a man complain he can't wear shorts to work that let his ass hang out, either. These are just examples from the workplace I've noticed.

Of course, generally the men and women that are rational and competent dislike these women and there male counterparts equally.


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 10:13:52 AM   
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Why is it then that every female lead government has either faded to the background or become non-existent then?



Every government led by a human becomes non-existant within a few years.  I don't recall Mrs. Thatcher fading into the background. 

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 10:24:24 AM   
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Durinng ther reign of Hapchetsup, there was NO WAR; and the empire thrived. Never heard of her? Maybe thats because you have your head too far up you hyper massculine ass. Read a book cave man!
And give respect where respect is due!



If, during the reign of Hapchetsup, there was no war and the empire thrived, it could only have been due to the empire becoming so powerful, both economically and militarily, that nobody dared to threaten or invade it.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 10:27:05 AM   
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I wouldnt choose the option if male supremacy was there, but why the double standard? Why is it okay for a woman to be a chauvinist but not a man? To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?

I believe in equally, I believe in fair play. No gender is superior than the other. I just find it stupid. Choose female supremacy all you want, I dont care. What bothers me is, where is the option for men?



I, for one, do not believe in equality.
Men and women are different. Period.
Men tend to be the aggressive gender, and females tend to be passive one.
We have different genetic make-ups, different attitudes and different hormones.
As to one or the other being superior, ahhhhhhhhh nope. Neither one is .... just as being a "dominant" does not make one better than the "submissive". This is an elitist type of attitude that Hitler had .. and I find that those who expound the supremast views are as selfish and self-centred as he was.

I do however believe in equity .. that each has its own strengths and weaknesses .. and together we are stronger than separate.

As for making male supremacy a choice ... well, it seems that it is the default. But yes please make it a choice ... for then I will know which self-absorbed creeps to avoid =)


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 12:39:17 PM   
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First of all, I believe neither male nor female is inherantly superior, but that everyone views the world differently.

For instance, to those I rule and to those I own, I am considered superior. Is that because I said I was superior? No, but rather because I have proven to be so over a period of time and my actions, knowledge and behavior. Is it because I am a woman? This I cannot say, because I'm sure being blessed with a beautiful body, plus a bit of brains, and some commonsense has helped me out a great deal in many of the things I have done in the past.

Should women be forced to take care of the House - No. Should men be forced to work in the work force outside the home with no chance to raise the children - No. No one should be forced period. It should be a matter of free will, and of personal strenghts and preferances. Do I want to remain home, barefoot and pregnant -- heck no. Would anyone I know want me to be that way? No.  Because they know that is not my strenght and not my talent. Are men inferior to women by nature -- no, they only are naturally inferior to a women when they are children and ruled over by their mother. Are women naturally inferior to men? No not really, while men may be stronger than most women, I can get plenty of men to use their physical strenght for my needs simply by asking. Are women inherantly smarter? No not really, because men and women both have their forte's and both have their talents in various areas. Should we finally work together and accept that everyone sees the world differently -- you betcha!

As for women in Government, this is something that sadly has not been seen so much as of yet, and especially not on a very large scale. If it occured in history (Such as the female pharaoh as mentioned) we cannot see what really occured by our own hands as we were not alive back then. I'd personally would like to see a few more women getting chances for Government leadership, but only if they were indeed suited for such. Will we see more of it in the future -- probably not for a while.

I was also going to mention that a woman in power with access to a nuke would probably be more of an encouragement to world peace than most other things tried before. This might actually lead to a complete agreement to disarm all nukes on the planet before her next time on PMS. Simply because, people would know -- beyond shadow of a doubt -- not to mess with her or do anything that might make her upset during that PMS phase.   After all, how many men would bring discord around a woman while she was in that phase, and let her have access to something that could destroy a good chunk of the world?

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 12:44:02 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 1:48:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: plantlady64

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

I wouldnt choose the option if male supremacy was there, but why the double standard? Why is it okay for a woman to be a chauvinist but not a man? To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?

I believe in equally, I believe in fair play. No gender is superior than the other. I just find it stupid. Choose female supremacy all you want, I dont care. What bothers me is, where is the option for men?






Hello There,
If you look back less than 200 years ago women could not vote, have their own bank accounts or own land in their own name.
I think the point you're missing is this is a mans world and most use to consider the male species supreme to woman. Woman supremacy came about as a rebelion against a patrilineal society that discriminated against women.

Of course womans lib has changed a lot over the past 50 years so the male supremacy is not as society driven as it once was. I just think men supremacy goes without saying overall and does not need to be voiced as it's still the more accepted aspect in society.
Suzanne



So you are saying what happened many years ago, (most males of today were not even born than either were most females in this generation) men of today should be punished for what happen back in that time? Does that mean all Germans should be punished today for what Hilter did in WW2? Nothing personal, just curious. I just find this concept that many women have to be illogical.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 2:24:41 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 4:58:36 PM   
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You have taken my thoughts and put them into the ideal words necessaryto convey the proper message!  Bravo!  Well done!  And VERY impressive!

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 5:06:02 PM   
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Listen up faggott, men write the history, and write it for men. Most of the Women who where lucky enough to reserve a place in hisory, had to alter their identity to be respected, like Joan of Ark, or Hapchetssup who was a Woman Pharo in Egypt. Durinng ther reign of Hapchetsup, there was NO WAR; and the empire thrived. Never heard of her? Maybe thats because you have your head too far up you hyper massculine ass. Read a book cave man!
And give respect where respect is due!

Quite the interesting opener for someone that claims to be an expert at intellectual discourse on her profile. And the typos. The powers that be in CM has graced you with a spell checker. Learn to use it, sweetheart.

The ladies name was Hatshetsup and if you follow religious history at all, you can't help but see her name and know who she was. Others that don't most likely don't because she is ANCIENT history of a foreign, 2nd world country. And although there was no war during her reign, there was also no expansion of her kingdom. She did not make it better then the king that ruled before her. And of course, the king after her made religious history. I wouldn't say her kingdom thrived so much as it merely continued to exist until her death. To her credit though, it also did not decline.

Look, I'll make you a deal. I'll read a book if you learn how to properly spell. Oops, it seems I have a head start on you already.

Oh, and by the way, about this statement:
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So thank you feminism! For creating the opportunity for me to live as an educated, powerful and FREE WOMAN!!!

You might want to go back to school and stay awake through class this time. Feminism had nothing to do with making you free and apparently nothing to do with your education. You can thank a man for your freedom. His name was Abraham Lincoln. As for the so called education, you can thank the civil rights movement. Your power still remains to be seen.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 7:21:13 PM   
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I've never seen a  man completely freak out at work and have a break down. I've seen women do this. I've never seen a man leave work, because of girlfriend problems, I've seen this mental breakdown several times. I've never seen a man ask for help as a general course of action, but it seems some women do this as par for the course, though don't even think about how it interfers with others work. I've never seen a man complain he can't wear shorts to work that let his ass hang out, either. These are just examples from the workplace I've noticed.

Of course, generally the men and women that are rational and competent dislike these women and there male counterparts equally.


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That's funny, I guess maybe I've just been fortunate in my workplace experiences. LOL.

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