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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 9:45:28 PM   
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You might want to go back to school and stay awake through class this time. Feminism had nothing to do with making you free and apparently nothing to do with your education. You can thank a man for your freedom. His name was Abraham Lincoln. As for the so called education, you can thank the civil rights movement. Your power still remains to be seen.
 

Actually we didnt get the "right" to vote until about 85 years ago. A tad after Lincolns demise if I can add properly. I think there was quite a few contributing factors of which Abe was one to be sure, but more so a myriad of things that happened in the sixties. Roughly when "feminism" as many know it was in its heyday of sorts.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 9:56:30 PM   
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I asked the very same question some time ago, and even made a suggestion to the powers that be at collarme.com to include that lifestyle interest, but as of yet I have not received any response to that suggestion, either way.



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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 10:09:06 PM   
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Feminism is not about taking choices away from women who want to stay at home.  It's about giving more choices to people who may be single working mothers who are desperate to give their kids a better quality of life but who aren't being paid a decent wage just because they don't have a penis.  It's about giving more choices to men who want to stay at home be a father to their kids because Mom has better job skills and can support the family outside the home with a better quality of life.  I'm sorry you feel the need to fight against something that gives other human beings more choices and more ability to take better care of their families. 


Exactly. 

How nice to read something in this thread that didn't sound like "blah blah blah blah."

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 10:33:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a reply to quite a few people, do you think it's all fun and games to be a housewife?  This is hard work.  If you think it's all baking cookies, reading Better Homes and Gardens, and looking pretty all the time, you are sadly mistaken.  If you're childless you'll have a bit more time, but trust me, when all the responsibilities of running a household come squarely down to you, you're going to laugh that you ever thought it would be easy.

I'm six months pregnant, I do all the cleaning, I cook all the meals, I pack my husband's lunch before he goes to work, I make sure he's up and ready for work, I do laundry, I balance the checkbook, I make sure all the bills are paid, I do our taxes, I run ALL the errands (more than you could possibly imagine), I schedule vehicle maitenance, I write all the birthday cards, I take care of all the nice little extras, I organize family functions, I buy his family's birthday presents.  And usually, I teach a couple of days a week on top of that.  Here soon I'm going to be adding a child and a full-time job to the scope of things because Tyler's going back to school in the fall and still working part-time.  To be honest, there's never a dull minute.  There is ALWAYS something I should be doing.

I'll tell you all something, it's not a fucking cakewalk to be a stay at home wife.  You can only run so long on the whole "honeymoon phase" load of hot air.  Reality's reality.  You can romanticize it, but you'll be disappointed.  It's rarely ever as easy or pleasant as you've made it out to be in your head.

I enjoy what I do because I love my husband and my unborn child, but it is NOT a breeze.

Now I'm going to get off my tangent and go to bed.  Sorry to rant.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 11:17:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the Amazons had the right idea,, they would capture males and cut their achilles tendon  so they couldnt  run away...twice a year they would force them to mate till they could not perform,,, then they would slit their throat and drink blood from the skull... and then go raiding for more male slaves to incarcerate till next mating time,,     sounds like a plan to me...


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/2/2006 11:49:27 PM   
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I think the Amazons had the right idea,, they would capture males and cut their achilles tendon  so they couldnt  run away...twice a year they would force them to mate till they could not perform,,, then they would slit their throat and drink blood from the skull... and then go raiding for more male slaves to incarcerate till next mating time,,     sounds like a plan to me...
 

Nah, thats no good. Who would take out the trash, wash the windows, open jars and warm up the car in between "slave seasons"?

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 12:10:19 AM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 12:31:39 AM   
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Feminism is not about taking choices away from women who want to stay at home.  It's about giving more choices to people who may be single working mothers who are desperate to give their kids a better quality of life but who aren't being paid a decent wage just because they don't have a penis.  It's about giving more choices to men who want to stay at home be a father to their kids because Mom has better job skills and can support the family outside the home with a better quality of life.  I'm sorry you feel the need to fight against something that gives other human beings more choices and more ability to take better care of their families. 


I disagree, some feminism has good causes but most of it is really hatred towards men.  It is a free licence to degrade men with an weak exuse of women getting oppressed many years ago. More than anything it's males who are treated as the second class citizens these days.


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 12:46:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I consider myself a feminist and I'm happy.  To me, though feminism is actually about equality in terms or pay, respect and access to services, not about female supremacy as in "women are better than men".  Somewhere along the line, those ideals got mixed up in people's head.  So, actually I agree with you that it is wrong to have the choice to check female supremacy without also having a male supremacy space.  Balance in the world would be great!

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 1:10:14 AM   
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I consider myself a feminist and I'm happy.  To me, though feminism is actually about equality in terms or pay, respect and access to services, not about female supremacy as in "women are better than men".  Somewhere along the line, those ideals got mixed up in people's head.  So, actually I agree with you that it is wrong to have the choice to check female supremacy without also having a male supremacy space.  Balance in the world would be great!


Thanks for your opinion. Not all feminist are idiots and if you believe in equally, you are obviously not an idiot. But I do believe that there is more bad feminism than good feminism. A lot of women abuse the meaning of feminism and use it for the wrong reasons, mostly hatred towards males and chauvinism.

Over the years feminism has made misandry acceptable and misogynist condemned. So it should be condemned but so should misandry. A lot of feminism these days have gave females a license to hate or discriminate males all they like with no consequences but if a male acts the same way, he gets punished.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 1:11:47 AM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 1:20:47 AM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 3:21:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		There may well be bad feminists, just as their are ignorant sexist men, but most simply support what is highlighted on this thread - the vote, equality, equal pay for equal work, things many women in the world still do not have.

Like the housewife comment above - I entirely agree. It is never the easy option. You should be glad you're going back to full time work when the baby's born and see how the husband studying at home and presumably minding the baby for extended periods finds it!

I have never had any difficulties describing myself as a feminist although the word is miscontrued by some people which just displays their own ignorance. I am very submissive too. I don't see why my views on fairness, equality before the law and justice (which is at the heart of feminism) are at odds with my sexual orientation to submit to the man I'm with. I've never been with a dominant man who has wanted me to give up work, my career, my other activities but I would always want to put him first where possible.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 5:32:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Depends on what you consider "fading into the background", Jasmyn. You also don't see New Zealand as a leading world power to be reckoned with.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 5:40:29 AM   
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Every government led by a human becomes non-existant within a few years.  I don't recall Mrs. Thatcher fading into the background. 

No, Mrs. Thatcher didn't fade into the background. But she also is no longer the Prime Minister of England and no other woman has stepped up to succeed in her footsteps. Therefore it is no longer female led.

I also would like to point out that the only sign of Mrs. Thatcher being feminine was the fact she wore skirts. She had more masculine qualities about her then feminine.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 6:17:47 AM   
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You might want to go back to school and stay awake through class this time. Feminism had nothing to do with making you free and apparently nothing to do with your education. You can thank a man for your freedom. His name was Abraham Lincoln. As for the so called education, you can thank the civil rights movement. Your power still remains to be seen.
 

Actually we didnt get the "right" to vote until about 85 years ago. A tad after Lincolns demise if I can add properly. I think there was quite a few contributing factors of which Abe was one to be sure, but more so a myriad of things that happened in the sixties. Roughly when "feminism" as many know it was in its heyday of sorts.

Hmmmph, interesting. I didn't say Lincoln gave her the right to vote. I said Lincoln gave her the freedom she attributed to feminism. And as far as I know, feminism had nothing to do with the civil rights movement. Feminism gave "white" women the right to vote and equality. For those of color, feminism really did nothing. It was the civil rights movement that gave those of us with color the equality.  If it weren't for these two factors, Rama might still not have had the "rights" she misguidedly loves.  I was addressing Rama's obvious racial heritage and the fact that if it wasn't allowed, supported or fought for by men, she'd not be here making a fool of herself.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 8:35:31 AM   
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 I didn't say Lincoln gave her the right to vote. I said Lincoln gave her the freedom she attributed to feminism. And as far as I know, feminism had nothing to do with the civil rights movement. Feminism gave "white" women the right to vote and equality. For those of color, feminism really did nothing. It was the civil rights movement that gave those of us with color the equality.  If it weren't for these two factors, Rama might still not have had the "rights" she misguidedly loves.  I was addressing Rama's obvious racial heritage and the fact that if it wasn't allowed, supported or fought for by men, she'd not be here making a fool of herself.


A valid point, indeed.

What many proud, militant feminists who would write out herstory sometimes fail to aknowledge is the constitutional republic bled for and constructed by males which gave them a forum in which to speak. Recognizing the importance of women in history is well to do, but it is likewise important to not forget those armies of soldiers, scholars and statesmen who have built a place in which one's voice of dissent can be heard—and tolerated.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 12:48:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		What the topic of this thread was on about before how women have an excuse for being allowed to have female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy because it's a male dominated world or the other lame excuse because women used to be oppressed. If it's a male dominated world, like the old saying goes, if men have all the power, why do women make all the rules?

About the oppression which apparently happened or maybe it was exaggerated by feminist lies to gain more privileges? who knows. I am not going to say yes they were or no they were not. I did not exist back than and either did most women today. Was the oppression of women really as bad as they say it was? This link is interesting, for a little history. This points out that nothing much has changed in the past 111 years :-)

http://marxists.anu.edu.au/archive/bax/1895/07/woman.htm



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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 12:59:22 PM   
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I think the Amazons had the right idea,, they would capture males and cut their achilles tendon so they couldnt run away...twice a year they would force them to mate till they could not perform,,, then they would slit their throat and drink blood from the skull... and then go raiding for more male slaves to incarcerate till next mating time,, sounds like a plan to me...



I'm sorry but I study Amazons legends in the Greek and Roman world -- where exactly did you get the above information?

And sorry, but Amazons aren't real, they are a legend. May or may not be based on female warriors (history evidence of these in several different peoples do exist) but if so that is evidence that has been destroyed by time.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 5/3/2006 1:09:04 PM   
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You might want to go back to school and stay awake through class this time. Feminism had nothing to do with making you free and apparently nothing to do with your education. You can thank a man for your freedom. His name was Abraham Lincoln. As for the so called education, you can thank the civil rights movement. Your power still remains to be seen.


Actually we didnt get the "right" to vote until about 85 years ago. A tad after Lincolns demise if I can add properly. I think there was quite a few contributing factors of which Abe was one to be sure, but more so a myriad of things that happened in the sixties. Roughly when "feminism" as many know it was in its heyday of sorts.

Hmmmph, interesting. I didn't say Lincoln gave her the right to vote. I said Lincoln gave her the freedom she attributed to feminism. And as far as I know, feminism had nothing to do with the civil rights movement. Feminism gave "white" women the right to vote and equality. For those of color, feminism really did nothing. It was the civil rights movement that gave those of us with color the equality. If it weren't for these two factors, Rama might still not have had the "rights" she misguidedly loves. I was addressing Rama's obvious racial heritage and the fact that if it wasn't allowed, supported or fought for by men, she'd not be here making a fool of herself.


You're partly right here on several things.

In the beginning most of the feminism movement was led by and appealed to white women because they tended to have better educations and more time/income to devote to political concerns. It is difficult to get involved in any sort of political or social movement when one is just making it - this is how it tends to go from the most ancient times to now. Even when you think the average person is taking a stand you'll find that well-educated and fairly well-off individuals are the ones organizing and creating the rhetoric.

But during the 1950s when the Civil Rights movement and the then in the 1960s with the anti-war movement, new feminists developed and used tactics from these other movements. They found themselves and their concerned pushed to the back and called "women's issues" so they decided to stand up for themselves. If these were "women's issues" then way not have a separate movement to address them?

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