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Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supremacy? - 4/30/2006 3:47:42 PM   
naughtynick


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Status: offline 		I wouldnt choose the option if male supremacy was there, but why the double standard? Why is it okay for a woman to be a chauvinist but not a man? To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?

I believe in equally, I believe in fair play. No gender is superior than the other. I just find it stupid. Choose female supremacy all you want, I dont care. What bothers me is, where is the option for men?




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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 3:50:16 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 3:53:34 PM   
MDPA1962


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Status: offline 		the short and sweet answer is Political Correctnes, (a term I have Come to despise)... I personally see us as all equal, But its Acceptable to Caucasian Bash, Male Bash, etc because its fair that My great Grandpa, MAY have offended someone a Hundred years ago... what a crock of BS ...... I always was taught that equal Means the SAME, not required to take crap for the Injustices Maybe done to Your Granny

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 3:59:25 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:02:07 PM   
Najakcharmer


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Status: offline 		Er, don't they call that Gorean?  Or for folks who don't like that particular flavor of culture, just "male dominant"?

I think we've all been subjected to male doms who approach females, regardless of whether they are dom, sub, lesbian, straight, etc, and say something like, "I just know you secretly want to sub to me, because all females are really submissive and all males are naturally dominant."  These are the male counterparts to the Dommely Domme who seems to think that her sexual orientation is an automatic Rudeness License to treat other people in the scene with disrespect. 

Folks have the right to believe what they believe.  I just prefer that both female and male supremacists keep it between their consenting adult partners when they are acting out their roles.  I'm quite sure that there is such a thing as male and female supremacists who are capable of treating folks of differing orientations with courtesy and respect, and that may be why these particular folks aren't nearly as visible in our community.  There probably are male dominants out there who truly and sincerely believe in male supremacy, but they're gentlemanly enough not to loudly force their views on all and sundry.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:02:41 PM   
naughtynick


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Status: offline 		Yeah well thats another story. Feminist get their way with bloody everything. Even in BDSM sites.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:07:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well...the reality is that EVERYTHING about women is a double-standard. A minister's wife blows him away and she gets an outpouring of sympathy and support from the nation. A woman gets pulled over for speeding and avoids the ticket. Etc., etc., etc. Women, like children, are miserable when they don't have any accountability or structure. Has anyone known a self-proclaimed "feminist" to be actually happy or content? What they really need are liberal spankings.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:08:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for starting this thread because to be honest I had never even heard the term as it relates to BDSM before I joined this site. I do not like the concept and I hope to never interact anywhere with a female supremacist, it revolts me as much as men that think they are better than women do. Sexists of all stripes are no better than a racist, and if there are women here that think they are better than  men (such as my son) well they can just bite me... thats how I feel about it... they can flame away

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:09:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

because men may have the balls, but women have the brains...LOL


you're almost proof of that.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:10:33 PM   
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Male supremacy is just as valid as female supremacy.
Male Dominants have just as much right to call themselves Gods as female Dominants do to call themselves Goddesses.
Male Dominants should be equally as welcomed to practice patriarchy as female Dominants are to practice matriarchy.
It's just as valid to be a woman-hater as it is to be a man-hater.
One does not have to be Judeo-Christian to engage in male supremacy.
*puts away ye old soapbox*

(I added that last one because inevitably, someone will say "Oh! Male supremist! He belongs in a church, not BDSM!" One of my biggest pet-peeves in this lifestyle is seeing a patriarchal Dominant step forward to proclaim male supremacy, and for some reason, people crawl out of the woodwork to start projecting *religious* attributes to him. It perplexes me to no end. As if everyone believes gender supremacy beliefs are somehow an indicator of religious preference. But then, anytime someone combines illogical correlation along with exaggerated generalization, it's probably going to land in my pet-peeve list. And I know, this had nothing to do with the OP. It's my own personal little rant and here seemed like a nice place to put it.)

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:10:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Political correctness and that was born out of misinterpreting Wittgenstein's Tractatus which was to do with language dealing with philosophical problems so why should we expect anything intelligent out of something born out of ignorance?

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:16:38 PM   
Najakcharmer


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TakingYou1

Well...the reality is that EVERYTHING about women is a double-standard. A minister's wife blows him away and she gets an outpouring of sympathy and support from the nation. A woman gets pulled over for speeding and avoids the ticket. Etc., etc., etc. Women, like children, are miserable when they don't have any accountability or structure. Has anyone known a self-proclaimed "feminist" to be actually happy or content? What they really need are liberal spankings.


This would not be a good case in point of a male supremacist who is capable of treating people of differing orientations with courtesy and respect.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:16:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't find that either one is "accepted," but there's plenty of male supremacy around.  Just go look at the Gor forum.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:18:38 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		I do not like the Gor view of the world either.... and dont want to be involved with them in real life either. I know people have a right to believe what they like about the sexes, but that does not mean they are not as bad as racists. I think the KKK has a right to exist too, as long as they do not break laws people have a right to think their "group" is superior to others.

edited because I hit the enter key too soon.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:19:57 PM   
Najakcharmer


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ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

because men may have the balls, but women have the brains...LOL


In my experience, sexists of any stripe have neither. 

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:20:37 PM   
puella


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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

Er, don't they call that Gorean? 



Actually no, though it is a common misconception.  I am going to slip in a quote from myself here from another post:

'The ethos of Goreanism does not promote the idea that women are inferior to men.  It does however promote the concepts of natural selection and natural order.  Women , it proposes, in their most natural and simplistic states, will generally be found to be both physically weaker and  (and to some degree therefor) submissive to men, as well as acknowledging a difference in temperament and behavioral patterns between the sexes... However, another tenet of Goreanism also proposes that many men  (mainly Earth men, due to their societal conditioning...the books do work out of a sci-fi structure, of course) do not take up the reigns of natural order, and if they can not claim (not necessarily by He-man like means exclusively, either) what Norman labels their 'birthright', then there is every chance they will be subjugated by women who can prove themselves stronger.  That scenario however, shows the dominance of a woman as an aberration not of the woman, but of the man. 

Throughout the books there are both examples of men falling into this self imposed  subjugation (as well as the eventual 'righting' of the naturally dominant sex) as well as examples of women not only surpassing men in certain tasks (some which we would think to be assigned to men, in what most conceptualize as Gorean ethos) such as the slave luma who was the brilliant accountant and eventual estates-comptroller, for all intents and purposes, of Tarl/Bosk, as well as the Tatrix of Tharna, who was quite Dommie in her dominion, and of course, the rebellious and often quite ferocious jungle-trackers/female huntress-fighters, the Panther Girls. 

I will grant however, that it is not necessarily only a non-Gorean misconception that Gor is all about the inferiority of the female sex.  Many who call themselves Goreans, seem to miss several rather important concepts set forth by the creator of that ethos, as stated above (probably as they did not take the time to read all the books). '

...and blah blah blah.. that was a bit long winded on my part, sorry!


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:21:15 PM   
naughtynick


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Status: offline 		I just find sexism or superiority over another gender is as bad as racism. It's like me saying white people are better than black people. Women are allowed to hate the other gender but males are not. Women are allowed to shoot a male but a male is not allowed to shoot a female. Thanks to feminism, this crap is acceptable.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:27:46 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:29:02 PM   
Badkitty0810


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Status: offline 		All you have to do is look around you to find male supremacy.  Most governments and major corporations are headed by men.  It goes way back to time immorial.  In my limited knowledge, one of the last societies that was matriarchially based was the old Celtic societies.  Family lineage was passed down from the mother because you can always prove someone's maternity.  The ancient Romans invaded what is now England and forced their patriarchal religious believes on people who practiced a polytheisitic, Earth-centered, Goddess based religion and the people were forced to conform to a monotheistic, male-dominated religion.  I blame the ancient Romans for the current mess. 

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 4:29:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

...Women are allowed to shoot a male but a male is not allowed to shoot a female. Thanks to feminism, this crap is acceptable.



Er... I am not sure of your nationality, but the last time I checked, in the United States,women were still punishable by law for homicide, man slaughter, reckless endangerment, assault, etc...? 

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