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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 6:29:01 PM   
feastie


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Status: offline 		Ugh.  Politics.  Look, if you ask someone upfront what their political views are and you don't agree with them and you're not willing to agree to disagree, then don't go out with them.  If you don't ask and you find out when on the date, there doesn't have to be a second. 

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 6:29:00 PM   
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Any dominant that cannot respect a hard limit is not a true dominant in my personal opinion. As far as politics, I don't understand why so many (especially men it seems) feel the need to convert the rest of the world to their way of thinking because if THEY think it, it just has to be the RIGHT and ONLY way! I respect someone alot more and would be much MUCH more inclined to at least listen to their point of view if they would just act like a grown up and respectfully agree to disagree instead of condesending to everything that does not think exactly as they do. And yes, from my experience, it appears that republicans are the worst offenders.





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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 6:39:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
And yes, from my experience, it appears that republicans are the worst offenders.
 


         I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.  Maybe it is a difference of location but I find the democrats to be FAR more insufferable of opinions other than their own.  Disagree with a liberal and you immediately get slapped with all sorts of labels.  If I don't think people should just walk across the border and recieve every goodie the government has to offer, I'm a rascist.  It's a nice Sunday afternoon and I'd just as soon not spoil my digestion with a litany of examples.

        When I disagree with a conservative, I'm ill informed and foolish.  When I disagree with a liberal, I'm evil and need to be destroyed.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 6:45:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich
There is a long tradition of happily married couples driving to the polls together for the express purpose of cancelling each others votes. Get over yourselves.


LOL, thanks for the reminder, my parents used to do exactly that. I wonder sometimes how much low voter turnout is married couples just agreeing to both stay home

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 7:02:37 PM   
obis


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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Maybe it is a difference of location but I find the democrats to be FAR more insufferable of opinions other than their own. Disagree with a liberal and you immediately get slapped with all sorts of labels. When I disagree with a conservative, I'm ill informed and foolish. When I disagree with a liberal, I'm evil and need to be destroyed.


I suspect it is a location issue. Don't disagree with a neoconservative outside of California or NYC, you'll be called a traitor and told you should be arrested, put to death, sent to guantanamo or deported outright (curious since my family has been here since the 1600s, fought in the Revolutionary War and has a national landmark, you'd think we'd have citizenship by now!). A bit worse than "foolish".

You're right, though, "evil" is an adjective used almost exclusively by the left. "Un-American" and "traitor" are used almost exclusively by the right.

I move back and forth between Texas and NYC, it keeps me grounded

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 7:26:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think location may play a HUGE part in it. I work in Iowa City IA.....cannot get much more liberal and democrat. While most of my friends are from that comunity and fit the common political views I consider myself more of an independent as I don't agree with either 100%. It's not often we discuss politics but when we do, again, its an agree to disagree relationship with all of us respecting one anothers right to feel and think as we do wether we agree on everything or not. Iowa City is unique in several ways and the quality of the people to primarily be very tollerant of differences in others is my favourite one.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 7:27:23 PM   
LostLenore


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Status: offline 		My friends and I had a saying in college after the Iran-Contra affair:  Friends don't let friends fuck Republicans!  My most recent vanilla experience was with a guy who would smilingly play devil's advocate with me on issues like global warming and tease me about my ultra-leftist bumper stickers.  Then one night he told me he was a diehard conservative and hadn't been joking about anything he'd said with his wry little smile.  He'd lied to me for 6 months about his core political beliefs and who knows what else.

How many more dates do you think we had?  Some may view it as prejudicial, but I see it as self-preservation to kick anti-liberal lovers to the curb.  It's not that I'm intolerant of everyone's views that differ from mine, but the radical right's agenda directly threatens the health and happiness of people I care about.  The credo of "family values" is shorthand for hating anyone who doesn't fit (or appear to fit) into a narrow range of sexuality.  I doubt I'll ever understand how someone can proliferate that doctrine by voting for the likes of Bush, all the while blissfully engaging in BDSM where acceptance and exploration of eroticism are key.  Perhaps hypocrisy is the new black?  Too bad it isn't as slimming.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 7:34:32 PM   
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I had a dom email me recently claiming to be a lib, found out  I am an anthropologist and started making comments about the differences in the "races", as though these are inherent and not just stereotypes... well I can tell you, no liberal makes statements like these .... and that is not going anywhere.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 7:38:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		And with the attorney general closing down BDSM sites!  I'm frankly surprised Collar Me hasn't gotten harassed, although I've noticed they are looking for an attorney.  We are VERY VERY lucky with Collar Me and the NCSF fighting for our rights.  We just got BDSM declassified from the physician's desk manual, so we aren't a mental illness anymore, but this hard-won victory isn't guaranteed.  And how many of us would stay here if Collar Me required a credit card to prove we were over 18?  Even if it were free, I wouldn't give my credit card becasue that means they'd know I'd been here.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 7:39:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Basically he wants to control you ALL of you including your mind. Doms like this feel your just a woman and shouldn't worry your pretty little head over something as complicated as politics. Politics is a man's arena and you as a female should be perfectly content serving him and believing whatever he tells you. /ends sarcasm

People like this aren't Dom's they are control freaks and if they cannot respect your right to an opinion and your limits then you are better off without them. A real Dom isn't afraid of you having your opinions and your own thoughts. They realise that in a relationship people aren't going to agree 100% of the time. If that is the type of person they want, let them go find a doormat.

~Lashra

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 7:49:00 PM   
ladychatterley


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Status: offline 		The funny thing, though, is I've yet to have a smoker say "I'm so great--you'll change your mind!"  I say "non-smoking" on my profile, but a couple of times someone came up that said "I smoke, but I won't do it around you and ..." and I considered it.  It didn't work, but it wasn't a deal breaker.  It is like smoking is something that people take seriously as an issue.  But this issue, which to me is far more important, is something that a lot of Doms think 'shouldn't be important.'  It is a worldview and values and all that jazz.  Everyone has things that are important to them whether it is a specific activity, a body part that terms them on or music they love or hate; I just don't understand people saying not only 'it isn't important to me' but 'it shouldn't be important to you.'

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 8:14:47 PM   
LostLenore


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Status: offline 		Oh hey, conservatives do refer to liberals as evil, usually in a blaze of religious righteousness.  Among those labeled this way are homosexuals, pagans, drug users (except Rush Limbaugh), feminists and MOST CERTAINLY the kink community.  A Baptist congregation with nothing better to do has been trying to shut down Beat Me in St. Louis for years.  I'm sure those of you in other cities have wrestled with censorship or protests when promoting events too.  Who was it raising the fuss?  Would they turn your state red or blue if they had their way?

I've no doubt that many Republicans are in great need of a beating or otherwise yearn to dabble in BDSM.  What I don't get is why they align themselves with a cause that seeks to restrict sexual freedoms and access to erotic information.  I guess projecting a certain public image and hiding their "perversions" is more important to them than protecting the rights of their playmates.  Underlying their contradictory actions and attitudes is a deeply rooted shame about who they really are.

Yes, my heart bleeds for Republicans too, but not enough to stop fighting narrow-mindedness.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 4/30/2006 9:25:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		My political views and spiritual belifes are essential components of who I am. My first wife and I used to drive to the polls and happily cancel out each other's votes and this caused no friction in our relationship. This, however, was more than thirty years ago, back when the two parties were not all that different, and the country wasn't ripped in half by moral issues as it is today. If it were like that today, I could easily be with someone who considered herself conservative and we could just 'agree to disagree'. It's different now, polarized, with much less willingness to compromise. My political views are definitely liberal...quite left-wing, in fact. The "No Republicans" in my profile narrative and the listing of conservative politics as a hard limit serve as excellent pre-filtering devices. I am not interested in converting anyone to my views. Well, that's not quite true...I'd love to do just that but I am not into fighting battles that can't be won. So, people can believe what they want, but I choose to spend as little time as possible with Republicans. I would never try to have a loving relationship with one whose views were diametrically opposed to my own. For me, there are other core value issues that are similar deal-breakers, and these include, but are not limited to, religious beliefs (no fundamentalist Christians or any other kind of 'One True Path" types), racism, and treatment of animals.

Bob

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 12:49:34 AM   
Dollbecky


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Status: offline 		Well as an non americian (thus avoiding the republician/democrat thing) I personally would not have a partner (vanilla or bdsm) who's world view (politically or sprirtual or morally) conflicted with my own,  this doesnt seem like a unusual hard limit...?  so what the problem ?
This (to me at least) seems commonsense.
I realise many people are looking for the kinky fantasy of their dreams in which humdrum things like in-laws, PTA meetings and local council elections will never touch however having a happy realationship in this dull real world with someone whos views are so different and at odds would be ,well ... really stupid.
Person A  "Homos and their ilk are EVIL"    
Person B " Yes dear..just off to my pansexual leather love submissive worshop on strength via pain  dont forget to call your Mum about lunch"
DUH!


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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 1:45:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		So how many voted the last election?

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 1:55:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm proud to say that the state in which I live had one of the highest turn outs, if not the highest turn out of voters in the country in the last election.

Himself and I were among those who were proud and honored to cast our votes.

::we also vote in all local and state elections as well just for the bitching rights that go along with it:: ;)

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 2:08:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

So how many voted the last election?


I've voted in every one since I was of voting age.

Bob

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 2:20:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LostLenore

My friends and I had a saying in college after the Iran-Contra affair:  Friends don't let friends fuck Republicans!  My most recent vanilla experience was with a guy who would smilingly play devil's advocate with me on issues like global warming and tease me about my ultra-leftist bumper stickers.  Then one night he told me he was a diehard conservative and hadn't been joking about anything he'd said with his wry little smile.  He'd lied to me for 6 months about his core political beliefs and who knows what else.

How many more dates do you think we had?  Some may view it as prejudicial, but I see it as self-preservation to kick anti-liberal lovers to the curb.  It's not that I'm intolerant of everyone's views that differ from mine, but the radical right's agenda directly threatens the health and happiness of people I care about.  The credo of "family values" is shorthand for hating anyone who doesn't fit (or appear to fit) into a narrow range of sexuality.  I doubt I'll ever understand how someone can proliferate that doctrine by voting for the likes of Bush, all the while blissfully engaging in BDSM where acceptance and exploration of eroticism are key.  Perhaps hypocrisy is the new black?  Too bad it isn't as slimming.


One of the things that make some shake their head is how some liberals can go on and on about tolerance and acceptance and in the same paragraph be intolerant and unaccepting.... at least a lot of conservatives are upfront about being close-minded.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 2:57:55 AM   
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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 3:10:07 AM   
Kendra


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Status: offline 		Absolutely agog at the passion that  I'm reading in  these posts.
I am Australian  , proud of it and  still  thunderstruck that people can be so outspoken about their  politics.  All Aussies have their political views ,. and all views are respected. but you guys just bug out when someone says republican or George Bush...I don't mean to be flippant or denigrate your opinions  but since when does politics become an issue ,, wouldnt grown ups agree to disagree and leave it at that?
I'm not sure I would like my Dom to paddle my ass for voting for the fool who increased the national debt? that kinda just wipes all the passion out of life for me,. maybe,  I know I'm not particularly expressing myself well..
but  life is too damn short
you take yourself too seriously.
find someone you can  rock the world with
and let the idiots take care of themselves

Kendra............. freedom through submission.....

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