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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 3:26:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: ladychatterley

Is there a reason that some doms seem to not respect a potential sub's political views, even when it is listed as a “lives for” and the other side as a “hard limit?” I’ve had men offer me eletro-shock therapy, counseling and a variety of other ways to get over my liberal views. It seems to me that some want to punish me for disagreeing with them. And it isn’t just one or two men—it seems to me that every neo-conservative BDSMer (which I would have thought was a contradiction in terms, given that the neo-cons seem to be scapegoating us to try to win elections) has approached me about ‘curing’ me of my political views.

My profile is as obvious as I’m capable of being that I’m liberal and only want to go out with liberals. I have two “lives for” checked—political activism and liberal politics and one “hard limit” which is conservative politics. And I talk about it, probably incessantly. And yet, Republican after Republican...

I ended up on a date recently with a guy who spends the first 30 minutes lecturing me on why global warming isn’t happening, then goes into a tirade on Paul Krugman (who is the 2nd thing I mention in my profile as something I like), then takes off his jacket and is wearing a T-shirt with a certain Danish cartoon on it!!!! And it was pretty clear that he went and bought this t-shirt for my benefit (he admitted he’d never worn it before) and yet he still expected me to submit to him that evening!

I have a sense that if I said “I have a huge limit with anal play” people wouldn’t be so in-your-face about telling me why they would not respect that limit. I don't understand why this issue, which to me is an issue of integrity and morality, is totally ignored.

It may be a desire to try to change your mind, and a desire for the challenge. I would suggest that maybe you should take a bit more effort to filter them for political views before a date if that is so important to you.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 4:18:21 PM

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I've heard of politics in the bedroom, but this is ridiculous... LOL

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 5:28:03 PM

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My Master is a liberal and wants the US to stop being a demanding world power and to share things in the US. I do what he wants. Voting is not of any use, but we will win sooner or later.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 5:29:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: ladychatterley

You would not take her out, in public, and humiliate her by wearing a t-shirt with a Danish cartoon on it

*scratches head*

Why were you humiliated by a Danish cartoon?

I thought liberals hated it when freedom of speech was stifled by overt acts of religious fascism....

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 5:53:39 PM

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Freedom of speech doesnt mean nothing if you don't share.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 6:25:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: pollux
Why were you humiliated by a Danish cartoon?

I thought liberals hated it when freedom of speech was stifled by overt acts of religious fascism....

I work with a very diverse population and I tackle very controversial issues, including differences of race, religious, class, gender and ethnicity. I would never want anyone to feel censored about their opinion around me. But if we want to explore whether or not fundamentalist interpretations Islam is linked with terrorism (and I think that is a legitimate issue for public debate, just like I think it is legitimate to look at what fundamentalist interpretations of Christianity are linked with violence), I am more comfortable analyzing that issue with a less broad brush.

I would never try to stop someone else from expressing their views in a public forum or in my work (which involves a lot of expressing views in semi-public forums), but when someone has his arm around me and has a t-shirt implying that Mohammad is synonymous with terrorism, I believe it could make people who I work with who are Muslim feel that I am not open to their point of view.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 6:29:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: ladychatterley

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ORIGINAL: pollux
Why were you humiliated by a Danish cartoon?

I thought liberals hated it when freedom of speech was stifled by overt acts of religious fascism....

I work with a very diverse population and I tackle very controversial issues, including differences of race, religious, class, gender and ethnicity. I would never want anyone to feel censored about their opinion around me. But if we want to explore whether or not fundamentalist interpretations Islam is linked with terrorism (and I think that is a legitimate issue for public debate, just like I think it is legitimate to look at what fundamentalist interpretations of Christianity are linked with violence), I am more comfortable analyzing that issue with a less broad brush.

I would never try to stop someone else from expressing their views in a public forum or in my work (which involves a lot of expressing views in semi-public forums), but when someone has his arm around me and has a t-shirt implying that Mohammad is synonymous with terrorism, I believe it could make people who I work with who are Muslim feel that I am not open to their point of view.

Did you stay on that date? I would have left knowing he had zero respect for me.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 6:42:34 PM

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I guess I'm lucky. Sir and I are both quite liberal, and we can talk politics for hours without ever raising our voices. Then again, that's my idea of polite discourse -- even if he were a neo-con, I'd strive to remain civil and present things in a non-confrontational way.

The idea that someone knows your limits and disrespects them immediately says a lot about someone's character -- and it says that loud and clear. No matter where your leanings lie, if you're going to treat someone's opinion as something worthy of mockery.. ugh.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 6:48:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Did you stay on that date? I would have left knowing he had zero respect for me.

Yes--and the feeling was mutual. But I can never bear to be rude on a date. No matter how much I say after I should have just left, I cannot stand being rude to someone's face.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 6:58:32 PM

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Why does every conservative get labeled Neo-con? There are plenty of us conservatives who don't care for the administrations policies. I don't consider myself a republican, but I vote for them much more often than democrats.

I'm guessing it's due to growing up on the south side of Chicago, and hating the corruption, & nepotism observed in the Mayor's own ward.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 7:02:14 PM

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I don't think all conservatives are neo-cons; hell, I don't think all neo-cons are conservative. It just seems that, when it comes to disagreeing with liberals, neo-cons are the loudest.. and sometimes nastiest.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 7:04:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: pollux

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ORIGINAL: ladychatterley

You would not take her out, in public, and humiliate her by wearing a t-shirt with a Danish cartoon on it

*scratches head*

Why were you humiliated by a Danish cartoon?

I thought liberals hated it when freedom of speech was stifled by overt acts of religious fascism....

Interesting point, pollux.....

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 7:05:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Blkmastersgirl

Freedom of speech doesnt mean nothing if you don't share.

Sure it does.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 7:08:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Blkmastersgirl

My Master is a liberal and wants the US to stop being a demanding world power and to share things in the US. I do what he wants. Voting is not of any use, but we will win sooner or later.

Just a question:

If you don't vote, how can you possibly expect things to change?

One of my household's requirement is "YOU VOTE" in every election and you vote informed -- get your ass off the couch and do some background reading on candidates and issues. My daddy may have only had an 8th grade education (he quite school to support his mom when his brothers all went to fight in WWII after his dad died) but he taught me "If you don't vote, don't bitch" and I live by it politically.

This isn't Australia and you can chose not to vote but I am very curious as to how you change things if you don't do at least that.

(we do other political things in my household too but voting is the thing I insist upon at least)

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 7:19:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
Why does every conservative get labeled Neo-con? There are plenty of us conservatives who don't care for the administrations policies. I don't consider myself a republican, but I vote for them much more often than democrats.

I do not label all conservatives as Neo-cons. But when someone starts advocating the importance of the war with Iraq for establishing a democratic middle east that will inspire other countries to follow suit, I tend to think "neo-con" even if other views are libertarian or religious conservative because this is a point of view that has been very identified with the neo-conservative agenda. It is probably sloppy, and I apologize if I've offended.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 7:47:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
My point is that someone who believed in peace as opposed to someone serving in a war is not going to be a good match.

I am both an advocate of peace, and a supporter of the military. If it weren't for an eyesight problem, I would have been a career navy officer. And a fiscal conservative, and a social liberal. And faithful, and rational.

But, specifically on "serving in war" vs "believing in peace", there's an old quote some where that I never seem to be able to directly remember, but it expresses that veterans tend to be the most deeply committed to peace. The belief in service to the community (through the military in this case), and in a need to have strength even when you desire peace, do not conflict with a value for peace.

To me, seeing a conflict in these positions means that the person doesn't understand the opposite point of view, not that the points of view are in actual conflict with each other.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 7:50:11 PM

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And yes, from my experience, it appears that republicans are the worst offenders.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Maybe it is a difference of location but I find the democrats to be FAR more insufferable of opinions other than their own. Disagree with a liberal and you immediately get slapped with all sorts of labels. If I don't think people should just walk across the border and recieve every goodie the government has to offer, I'm a rascist. It's a nice Sunday afternoon and I'd just as soon not spoil my digestion with a litany of examples.

When I disagree with a conservative, I'm ill informed and foolish. When I disagree with a liberal, I'm evil and need to be destroyed.

In my experience, the right and left are just as bad as the other.

For liberals: Disagree with amnesty and you're a "racist". Disagree with the status quo of welfare and social security, then it's obvious you want to hurt poor and old people.

For conservatives: Disagree with trickle-down economics and you're a "commie" (or a "socialist"). Disagree with the Iraq War and you're obviously a filthy hippie living in la la land.

And so on.

Each of them have their vitriol for opposing views and neither of them use any less spite in launching such labels.

*meow*

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 7:58:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom

In my experience, the right and left are just as bad as the other.

In my experience as well. If I were to take one of the other poster's perspectives and say "I don't want X because I want someone who can think rationally/logically", that would rule out both extremes. I have yet to meet an extreme liberal who was capable of stringing together any logical statement. Same with extreme conservatives.

Luckily, I value the irrational just as much as the rational. The world as we know it can't exist without both (and I don't just mean that figuratively).

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 10:36:10 PM

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Ironic to see this the day after John Kennith Galbraith has died. May modern liberalism quickly follow him.

Modern liberalism is a bankrupt ideology who's usefulness has long past. (like trade unions) The sooner that modern liberalism is discarded, the sooner the economic wreckage these misguided fools have caused can be repaired.

O yes! The economic ruin of the GWB and his rightist cronies is so much better for the world than that filthy lefty financial ruin, any day. Over $800 billion and climbing in Iraq. Pray your great grandchildren have unions to watch their asses for them as they pay this little fiasco off.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 10:50:36 PM

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if george bush is an alien.. does that make john howard a cross dressing wombat?

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